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CBW137Y
post Oct 10 2012, 07:57 PM
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Hi all

I shall remove this thread when I have the information required, as it's not really a rant or news of any sort, but I thought I'd post here as someone will know the answer!

Does anyone remember what year Northbrook Street was pedestrianised, albeit during business hours?

Ta muchly in advance!
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post Oct 10 2012, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE (CBW137Y @ Oct 10 2012, 08:57 PM) *
Hi all

I shall remove this thread when I have the information required, as it's not really a rant or news of any sort, but I thought I'd post here as someone will know the answer!

Does anyone remember what year Northbrook Street was pedestrianised, albeit during business hours?

Ta muchly in advance!


1998
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Andy Capp
post Oct 10 2012, 10:09 PM
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Which I believe is close to when the Newbury Bypass was opened.
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post Oct 10 2012, 10:12 PM
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Andy Capp
post Oct 10 2012, 10:18 PM
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Pedestrianisation was synchronised to coincide with the opening of the bypass.
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post Oct 11 2012, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Oct 10 2012, 11:18 PM) *
Pedestrianisation was synchronised to coincide with the opening of the bypass.

Interestingly. without waiting to check the impact on traffic flows.....
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post Oct 11 2012, 07:25 AM
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It has never been pedestrianised.

It is a limited access road and all the rules of the road still apply
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post Oct 11 2012, 08:10 AM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Oct 11 2012, 08:25 AM) *
It has never been pedestrianised.

It is a limited access road and all the rules of the road still apply

Can you refer us to where this is documented please?
You know what the op meant and, as far as most are concerned, it is "pedestrianised" between the hours of 10:00 and 17:00. (Apart from certain vehicles such as emergency services and, I believe, postal vehicles and, of course, bloody cyclists! angry.gif )
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post Oct 11 2012, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 11 2012, 09:10 AM) *
Can you refer us to where this is documented please?
You know what the op meant and, as far as most are concerned, it is "pedestrianised" between the hours of 10:00 and 17:00. (Apart from certain vehicles such as emergency services and, I believe, postal vehicles and, of course, bloody cyclists! angry.gif )


Refer to the Traffic Management Order and the signage. The area is closed to motor vehicles (with exceptions) between certain hours.

Cyclists are allowed, horse riders are allowed - in fact any road user other than a motor vehicle - at all times.

Yes,of course I know what the OP referred to, but there is a need in life to be factually correct. For example, if (and I don't know why the OP asked the question) the OP was forming the basis of a challenge to the authorities over the 'pedestrianisation' of Northbrook St, then it would fall at the first hurdle as the response would be "It has never been pedestrianised".

There is a world of difference between pedantry and simply supplying inaccurate information
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post Oct 11 2012, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Oct 11 2012, 10:46 AM) *
Refer to the Traffic Management Order and the signage. The area is closed to motor vehicles (with exceptions) between certain hours.

Cyclists are allowed, horse riders are allowed - in fact any road user other than a motor vehicle - at all times.

Yes,of course I know what the OP referred to, but there is a need in life to be factually correct. For example, if (and I don't know why the OP asked the question) the OP was forming the basis of a challenge to the authorities over the 'pedestrianisation' of Northbrook St, then it would fall at the first hurdle as the response would be "It has never been pedestrianised".

There is a world of difference between pedantry and simply supplying inaccurate information

Fair enough.
Where do I find the "Traffic Management Order"?
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What does define a "Pedestrianised" road?
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post Oct 11 2012, 11:01 AM
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Sorry - double post!
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post Oct 11 2012, 11:02 AM
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Sorry - Treble post!!!!
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post Oct 11 2012, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 11 2012, 11:58 AM) *
Fair enough.
Where do I find the "Traffic Management Order"?
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What does define a "Pedestrianised" road?


The TMO is the responsibility of the relevant Highway Authority - in this case WBC.

There is a statutory duty to publish a TMO in the local press, prior to implementation to give time for objections - in this case NWN

AIUI (but perfectly willing to be proven wrong), to fully pedestrianise would require an application to a Magistrates' Court to quash the vehicular right of way currently in existence.
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post Oct 11 2012, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Oct 11 2012, 12:02 PM) *
Sorry - Treble post!!!!
What am I doing????? rolleyes.gif


Gawd knows!
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post Oct 11 2012, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Oct 11 2012, 08:25 AM) *
It has never been pedestrianised.

It is a limited access road and all the rules of the road still apply


Don't the signs refer to pedestrianised zones?
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post Oct 11 2012, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE (IanB @ Oct 11 2012, 02:25 PM) *
Don't the signs refer to pedestrianised zones?


It does say pedestrian zone on the sign.
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post Oct 11 2012, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE (IanB @ Oct 11 2012, 02:25 PM) *
Don't the signs refer to pedestrianised zones?


At the risk of seeming pedantic, the signs refer to "Pedestrian Zone" (ie where pedestrians have priority over other road users) not "Pedestrianised Zone".

The first is simply a prohibition of mechanically propelled vehicles; the second a prohibition of all vehicles (other than pedestrian controlled). IOW, no cycles.
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post Oct 11 2012, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Oct 10 2012, 10:17 PM) *
1998

I think that it was quite a bit later than that. I think it was 2005 or 2006. The plaque in the marketplace outside the Corn Exchange will probably give a clue about when it was officially opened and the restrictions placed on the market place and Northbrook Street.
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Andy Capp
post Oct 11 2012, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE (Bartholomew @ Oct 11 2012, 05:01 PM) *
I think that it was quite a bit later than that. I think it was 2005 or 2006. The plaque in the marketplace outside the Corn Exchange will probably give a clue about when it was officially opened and the restrictions placed on the market place and Northbrook Street.

05/06 sounds like the date of when the resurfacing was done. I have a feeling Northbrook St had vehicle restrictions in place before then. I remember Brian Burgess complaining that he felt the council closed the highstreet much too soon after the bypass had opened.
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post Oct 11 2012, 07:07 PM
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Northbrook was narrowed first, getting rid of all the parking & making the pavements wider.
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