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Andy Capp
post Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM
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MPs (mainly Monster Raving Tories) vote that ‘animals can’t feel pain or emotion’ as part of Brexit bill/
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je suis Charlie
post Nov 23 2017, 11:45 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41281570
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Andy Capp
post Nov 24 2017, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 11:45 PM) *

How is this relevant to the topic? This seems to be about the failure of the EU to police its laws, not whether we should adopt an EU law.
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post Nov 24 2017, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 24 2017, 08:06 AM) *
How is this relevant to the topic? This seems to be about the failure of the EU to police its laws, not whether we should adopt an EU law.


Exactly . One may argue that it is illegal to murder your neighbour but that doesn't prevent it happening . Unless we are prepared to police any legislation we introduce then what is the point of having it ? In order to actually prevent animal cruelty we need to have the will to prosecute all those who commit it . Then of course one man's perception of cruelty is different to the next . Which is worse , transporting a lamb 70 miles for over an hour in a cramped lorry to the slaughterhouse , or being strung up by it's hind leg and having it's throat cut in a process that make take only 2 minutes ? One may well argue that both cause unnecessary suffering but one is committed in the name of religious tolerance and the other because of our obsession with food "safety" . On the position of BSE , ( which lead to the closure of local abattoirs ) , this was a genuine case of politicians losing the plot . Quite happy to import meat from an "unregulated" European market but obsessed with forcing our own producers into an over regulated quagmire .
I doubt we will ever please all of the people but it would be nice to think that all interested parties can formulate a common consensus .


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- Andy Capp   Animals don't feel pain.   Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM
- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM)...   Nov 21 2017, 08:53 PM
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|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Strafin @ Nov 22 2017, 07:29 PM) Y...   Nov 22 2017, 09:41 PM
- - Gazzadp   and suprise, surprise Richard Benyon voted in favo...   Nov 21 2017, 09:24 PM
- - blackdog   Animals certainly don't feel pain like we do -...   Nov 22 2017, 01:26 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 22 2017, 01:26 AM) ...   Nov 22 2017, 01:36 AM
- - SirWilliam   The problem is that we , ( as a species ) , judge ...   Nov 22 2017, 10:14 AM
|- - Andy Capp   “In formulating and implementing the Union's a...   Nov 22 2017, 07:11 PM
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- - je suis Charlie   That law protects all animals that are ‘generally ...   Nov 23 2017, 05:00 PM
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- - je suis Charlie   In what way?   Nov 23 2017, 07:37 PM
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