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Andy Capp
post Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM
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MPs (mainly Monster Raving Tories) vote that ‘animals can’t feel pain or emotion’ as part of Brexit bill/
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je suis Charlie
post Nov 23 2017, 10:18 PM
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The Government argued animals are already classed as sentient beings in existing legislation and that including the proposed clause in the EU Withdrawal Bill would lead to "legal uncertainty". Its a failure to recognise this fact for whatever reason that you are working on. I repeat, the legislation is in place and is strong enough. We have some of the most stringent animal protection law in the world while countries unlike countries like France who believe that drowning small songbirds in brandy somehow enhances the flavour, or Spain who throw donkeys off towers for 'religious' ceremonies or honk it great fun to put a bull against men armed with swords and Lance's or Italy where animals are raised in conditions that would horrify you. What about foie gras? I could go on, but the point is that the EU and it's members aren't leading lights in animal welfare.
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post Nov 23 2017, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 10:18 PM) *
The Government argued animals are already classed as sentient beings in existing legislation and that including the proposed clause in the EU Withdrawal Bill would lead to "legal uncertainty".

What is the uncertainty?

The Government said something, but other groups said otherwise.

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 10:18 PM) *
Its a failure to recognise this fact for whatever reason that you are working on.

I heard what the Government said, but I remain cynical of their motives.

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 10:18 PM) *
I repeat, the legislation is in place and is strong enough. We have some of the most stringent animal protection law in the world while countries unlike countries like France who believe that drowning small songbirds in brandy somehow enhances the flavour, or Spain who throw donkeys off towers for 'religious' ceremonies or honk it great fun to put a bull against men armed with swords and Lance's or Italy where animals are raised in conditions that would horrify you. What about foie gras? I could go on, but the point is that the EU and it's members aren't leading lights in animal welfare.

I would feel more pursuaded if animal welfare groups had agreed with the Government’s stance.
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- Andy Capp   Animals don't feel pain.   Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM
- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM)...   Nov 21 2017, 08:53 PM
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|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 08:55 PM)...   Nov 21 2017, 08:57 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 08...   Nov 21 2017, 09:03 PM
|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 09:03 PM)...   Nov 21 2017, 09:08 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 09...   Nov 21 2017, 09:14 PM
||- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 09:14 PM)...   Nov 21 2017, 09:27 PM
||- - TallDarkAndHandsome   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 09...   Nov 21 2017, 09:51 PM
||- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 21 2017, 09...   Nov 21 2017, 10:09 PM
|- - Strafin   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 09...   Nov 22 2017, 07:29 PM
|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Strafin @ Nov 22 2017, 07:29 PM) Y...   Nov 22 2017, 09:41 PM
- - Gazzadp   and suprise, surprise Richard Benyon voted in favo...   Nov 21 2017, 09:24 PM
- - blackdog   Animals certainly don't feel pain like we do -...   Nov 22 2017, 01:26 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 22 2017, 01:26 AM) ...   Nov 22 2017, 01:36 AM
- - SirWilliam   The problem is that we , ( as a species ) , judge ...   Nov 22 2017, 10:14 AM
|- - Andy Capp   “In formulating and implementing the Union's a...   Nov 22 2017, 07:11 PM
- - Jay Sands   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM)...   Nov 23 2017, 02:56 PM
|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Jay Sands @ Nov 23 2017, 02:56 PM)...   Nov 23 2017, 03:36 PM
|- - SirWilliam   QUOTE (Jay Sands @ Nov 23 2017, 02:56 PM)...   Nov 23 2017, 03:43 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Jay Sands @ Nov 23 2017, 02:56 PM)...   Nov 23 2017, 04:01 PM
- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM)...   Nov 23 2017, 03:37 PM
- - je suis Charlie   That law protects all animals that are ‘generally ...   Nov 23 2017, 05:00 PM
|- - newres   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 05...   Nov 23 2017, 05:45 PM
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|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 05...   Nov 23 2017, 06:43 PM
- - je suis Charlie   And the basis of the law is an acceptance that all...   Nov 23 2017, 06:55 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 06...   Nov 23 2017, 07:36 PM
- - je suis Charlie   In what way?   Nov 23 2017, 07:37 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 07...   Nov 23 2017, 07:41 PM
- - je suis Charlie   Which ones?   Nov 23 2017, 07:43 PM
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|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 09...   Nov 23 2017, 09:45 PM
- - je suis Charlie   http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41281570   Nov 23 2017, 11:45 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 11...   Nov 24 2017, 08:06 AM
|- - SirWilliam   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 24 2017, 08:06 AM)...   Nov 24 2017, 11:08 AM
- - SirWilliam   http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/a...t-a80...   Nov 25 2017, 12:01 PM
- - Andy Capp   From what I have read, the headlines were misleadi...   Nov 25 2017, 12:50 PM
- - Turin Machine   And I see a whole bunch of luvvies now deleting tw...   Nov 25 2017, 01:14 PM
- - newres   The government voted against accepting EU legislat...   Nov 25 2017, 05:32 PM
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|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 29 2017, 09:13...   Nov 29 2017, 12:27 PM
- - Turin Machine   And, where's JSC gorn? And newres? Think they...   Nov 29 2017, 11:30 AM
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||- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Dec 4 2017, 07...   Dec 4 2017, 09:19 PM
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|- - SirWilliam   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 29 2017, 11:30...   Nov 29 2017, 04:09 PM
- - SirWilliam   https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/home/23...righ...   Dec 7 2017, 11:29 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Dec 7 2017, 11:29 AM)...   Dec 7 2017, 07:42 PM
|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 7 2017, 07:42 PM) ...   Dec 7 2017, 07:47 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 7 2017, 07:4...   Dec 7 2017, 08:29 PM
|- - Turin Machine   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 7 2017, 08:29 PM) ...   Dec 7 2017, 11:35 PM
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|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 7 2017, 08:29 PM) ...   Dec 8 2017, 08:06 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 8 2017, 08:0...   Dec 8 2017, 09:09 AM
- - je suis Charlie   Some of these people make bacteria look like Einst...   Dec 7 2017, 11:46 AM


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