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Andy Capp
post Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM
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MPs (mainly Monster Raving Tories) vote that ‘animals can’t feel pain or emotion’ as part of Brexit bill/
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SirWilliam
post Nov 22 2017, 10:14 AM
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The problem is that we , ( as a species ) , judge how the rest of the animal kingdom reacts to a situation by our own standards . The inference that other creatures do not feel pain is plain stupid as , if we take mammals as an example , we all have a similar nervous system . If a dog runs a thorn into it's foot it will lick it which allows the natural analgesic in the saliva to take effect ; if a human does the same they use their opposing thumb to good effect . The question is does an animal have the cognitive ability to understand why pain is present or does it accept it because it can not perceive it getting better ?
Everyone is damning the Government for not encompassing the EU directive on animal rights but remember this legislation was drawn up to protect the human element not the animal . It allowed the continuation of bull fighting , live transport across many borders and the ritual slaughter practice to name but a few . Yes we need our own laws to protect but a lot are already in place and I for one would like to see one which actually achieves it's objective .


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Andy Capp
post Nov 22 2017, 07:11 PM
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“In formulating and implementing the Union's agriculture, fisheries, transport, internal market, research and technological development and space policies, the Union and the Member States shall, since animals are sentient beings, pay full regard to the welfare requirements of animals, while respecting the legislative or administrative provisions and customs of the Member States relating in particular to religious rites, cultural traditions and regional heritage."

“That understanding has since informed more than 20 pieces of EU law on animal welfare, including the ban on sealskin imports, the ban on conventional battery cages and the ban on cosmetics testing on animals."
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- Andy Capp   Animals don't feel pain.   Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM
- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM)...   Nov 21 2017, 08:53 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 08...   Nov 21 2017, 08:55 PM
|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 08:55 PM)...   Nov 21 2017, 08:57 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 08...   Nov 21 2017, 09:03 PM
|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 09:03 PM)...   Nov 21 2017, 09:08 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 09...   Nov 21 2017, 09:14 PM
||- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 09:14 PM)...   Nov 21 2017, 09:27 PM
||- - TallDarkAndHandsome   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 09...   Nov 21 2017, 09:51 PM
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|- - Strafin   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 21 2017, 09...   Nov 22 2017, 07:29 PM
|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Strafin @ Nov 22 2017, 07:29 PM) Y...   Nov 22 2017, 09:41 PM
- - Gazzadp   and suprise, surprise Richard Benyon voted in favo...   Nov 21 2017, 09:24 PM
- - blackdog   Animals certainly don't feel pain like we do -...   Nov 22 2017, 01:26 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 22 2017, 01:26 AM) ...   Nov 22 2017, 01:36 AM
- - Jay Sands   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM)...   Nov 23 2017, 02:56 PM
|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Jay Sands @ Nov 23 2017, 02:56 PM)...   Nov 23 2017, 03:36 PM
|- - SirWilliam   QUOTE (Jay Sands @ Nov 23 2017, 02:56 PM)...   Nov 23 2017, 03:43 PM
|- - dannyboy   QUOTE (Jay Sands @ Nov 23 2017, 02:56 PM)...   Nov 23 2017, 04:01 PM
- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 21 2017, 08:29 PM)...   Nov 23 2017, 03:37 PM
- - je suis Charlie   That law protects all animals that are ‘generally ...   Nov 23 2017, 05:00 PM
|- - newres   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 05...   Nov 23 2017, 05:45 PM
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|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 05...   Nov 23 2017, 06:43 PM
- - je suis Charlie   And the basis of the law is an acceptance that all...   Nov 23 2017, 06:55 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 06...   Nov 23 2017, 07:36 PM
- - je suis Charlie   In what way?   Nov 23 2017, 07:37 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 07...   Nov 23 2017, 07:41 PM
- - je suis Charlie   Which ones?   Nov 23 2017, 07:43 PM
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|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 09...   Nov 23 2017, 09:45 PM
- - je suis Charlie   The Government argued animals are already classed ...   Nov 23 2017, 10:18 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 10...   Nov 23 2017, 11:28 PM
- - je suis Charlie   http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41281570   Nov 23 2017, 11:45 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Nov 23 2017, 11...   Nov 24 2017, 08:06 AM
|- - SirWilliam   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 24 2017, 08:06 AM)...   Nov 24 2017, 11:08 AM
- - SirWilliam   http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/a...t-a80...   Nov 25 2017, 12:01 PM
- - Andy Capp   From what I have read, the headlines were misleadi...   Nov 25 2017, 12:50 PM
- - Turin Machine   And I see a whole bunch of luvvies now deleting tw...   Nov 25 2017, 01:14 PM
- - newres   The government voted against accepting EU legislat...   Nov 25 2017, 05:32 PM
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- - x2lls   Here is a rather entertaining view of matters in h...   Nov 28 2017, 02:42 PM
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- - Turin Machine   And, where's JSC gorn? And newres? Think they...   Nov 29 2017, 11:30 AM
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|- - SirWilliam   QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 29 2017, 11:30...   Nov 29 2017, 04:09 PM
- - SirWilliam   https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/home/23...righ...   Dec 7 2017, 11:29 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Dec 7 2017, 11:29 AM)...   Dec 7 2017, 07:42 PM
|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 7 2017, 07:42 PM) ...   Dec 7 2017, 07:47 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 7 2017, 07:4...   Dec 7 2017, 08:29 PM
|- - Turin Machine   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 7 2017, 08:29 PM) ...   Dec 7 2017, 11:35 PM
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|- - je suis Charlie   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 7 2017, 08:29 PM) ...   Dec 8 2017, 08:06 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 8 2017, 08:0...   Dec 8 2017, 09:09 AM
- - je suis Charlie   Some of these people make bacteria look like Einst...   Dec 7 2017, 11:46 AM


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