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Posted by: newres Nov 1 2016, 09:49 AM

I don't recall poppies being worn in the past on England football shirts. Why the fuss from the FA now?

Posted by: blackdog Nov 1 2016, 04:35 PM

Your memory's not so good.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2059623/England-wear-poppy--FIFA-down.html

Posted by: newres Nov 1 2016, 05:20 PM

I was aware of that. It's a very recent thing. There's no history of wearing poppies or desire to wear poppies on England football shirts before very recently. So my question remains why the fuss now?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 1 2016, 08:17 PM

Wearing a poppy in my view is commemorating the fallen of wars past and recent. Its not political and FIFA should be told to s0d off. Then just refuse to pay any fine.

Posted by: newres Nov 1 2016, 08:56 PM

No problem with that sentiment, but I can't see what place it has on a football kit.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 1 2016, 09:43 PM

So 888, Carlsberg, Wonga etc is OK on a footy kit but a poppy for 1 week a year is not? I dont get your logic to be honest and I dont see it is a political statement.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 1 2016, 10:43 PM

Unlike the England team, I can't see what place they have IN a football kit!

Posted by: spartacus Nov 1 2016, 10:52 PM

Shirt manufacturers flogging one-off replica kits and the Daily Mail are probably pushing this agenda, making a mountain out of a molehill so it gets people buying the shirts when they come out with a poppy. It's not like England are playing Germany though is it...

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 1 2016, 11:08 PM

It was on an armband.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 2 2016, 07:48 AM

I quite agree, then I realise there's no money in it for FIFA!

Posted by: newres Nov 2 2016, 08:40 AM

Unless replics shirts are sold of course.

My point is why now. Why not in the 50, 60s, 70s etc?

Posted by: Berkshirelad Nov 2 2016, 11:02 AM

In my experience, there was a general falling off of the recognition of Remembrance in those decades. Recently, I think due in part to Royal Wootton Basset, there has been an increased awareness. The 2 minutes silence at 11:00 on 11th Nov is now more widely observed.

I do also object to one of the most corrupt organisations in the world trying to tell us what we may or may not do in this matter.

Remembrance is not political - it remembers all war dead

Posted by: On the edge Nov 2 2016, 04:57 PM

Why bother with shirts, arm bands were shown at lunch time, which means the whole crowd might like to wear one too. I'm sure the Fan Shops could sell them and make a small donation to British Legion; after expenses of course. Nasty smell isn't there?

Posted by: user23 Nov 2 2016, 05:43 PM

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-broms-james-mcclean-causes-12098770.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 2 2016, 07:36 PM

He is well known for this. Does it every year. Fifa do have double standards though.... @ss wipes.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37853386

Posted by: newres Nov 3 2016, 06:56 AM

Ino longer wear a poppy as I think it's a symbol that's now no longer used purely for remembrance. To me it is a symbol of support for our recent wars. I know that many of the people who wear them don't see that, but that's how I now see them. I therefore think it's a political symbol and FIFA are correct.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 3 2016, 08:10 AM

Good effort!

Posted by: Andy1 Nov 3 2016, 08:19 AM

I wear a poppey for personal reasons. My problem is however, organisations hijacking it for their own gains.

Posted by: blackdog Nov 3 2016, 09:04 AM

Which proves that there is a political aspect to the poppy.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 3 2016, 09:28 AM

According to The Bible:

"United Kingdom

Royal British Legion poppy: In the United Kingdom, remembrance poppies are sold by The Royal British Legion (RBL). This is a charity providing financial, social, political and emotional support to those who have served or who are currently serving in the British Armed Forces, and their dependants. "


FIFA have every right to do as they do. I don't like it, but I can understand how some people who have been bombed senseless in recent past, the are made unwelcome by the perpetrators, don't have much sympathy for the sentiment.

I always wear a poppy, but I am too beginning to think that perhaps there is a less desirable aspect to it.

Posted by: JeffG Nov 3 2016, 09:59 AM

I read The Bible avidly every day* and I have never come across that verse.

* not really - just commenting on the oddity of your post

Posted by: Rdg Nov 3 2016, 12:45 PM

But charities are not allowed to be political and the BL are a charity - they are only allowed to campaign politically in a way directly related to their object - so they can lobby re War pensions or medical treatment for injured servicemen but NOT over whether to go to war for example.

Therefore how can their symbol be in itself political

Posted by: newres Nov 3 2016, 02:01 PM

In itself, it isn't. It depends who's wearing it. A swastikai, in itself isn't. But when it's worn by Nazis it is.

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 3 2016, 02:08 PM

Are you available for parties? With a sense of humour like yours and your sense for the ironic, you'd go down a storm!

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 3 2016, 02:14 PM

FIFA's ambition is to build relationships, not divide. By providing a canvas for 'non-commercial announcements', they stand to cause resentment. The Poppy Appeal as it is today is not universally admired, being that it supports British people in service and involved in conflicts.

Like it or not, the Poppy Appeal is going political by the virtue of this thread, if nothing else.

Posted by: Andy1 Nov 3 2016, 03:42 PM

I take it this is just men's football and not women's football then.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 3 2016, 05:03 PM

What if one of the women were called Poppy? Would she banned from playing? Surely all football teams should now represent the ethnic and sexual orientation of each country. Players should be picked not on talent but on sexual orientation and ethnicity....

Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 3 2016, 05:20 PM

FIIK

Posted by: Andy1 Nov 3 2016, 09:54 PM

FIIK?

Posted by: Andy1 Nov 3 2016, 09:57 PM

FIFA lifted the ban on woman wearing the hijab on pitch. Now I don't have a problem with this but clearly some people do and will.

Posted by: Andy1 Nov 3 2016, 10:00 PM

Pennies dropped.