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post Feb 7 2018, 01:55 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 7 2018, 12:16 AM) *
It is islamaphobic to criticise Muslims over FGM becaise it's not a Muslim problem. It's practised by plenty of backwards people who all believe in different made up deities.



FGM has been illegal in this country for a long time, yet the quota of convictions against the estimated number of victims is very low. The law is the law regardless of which fairy or not you believe in.


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post Feb 7 2018, 05:23 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 7 2018, 12:16 AM) *
It is islamaphobic to criticise Muslims over FGM becaise it's not a Muslim problem. It's practised by plenty of backwards people who all believe in different made up deities.


You are part of the problem. People associate Islam with it because its is predominantly practiced by Muslims.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_v...ital_mutilation

But you cant criticise Muslims because it "does not compute".
I work with a black South African girl and she said that life was better under De Klerk back home because although it was apartheid and he was a corrupt, he did leave the black population with enough to get by, it pales into insignificance with the current regime who are completley corrupt and have left the black population with absolutely nothing. If a white person said that we would be strung up. But hey keep that head in the sand.👍
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post Feb 7 2018, 07:09 AM
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"There is a widespread view among practitioners of female genital muatilation (FGM) that it is a religious requirement, although there is no unequivocal link between the practice and religion"

The first line of the link you've posted suggests otherwise. Also I didn't say Muslims don't do it, I said it is not exclusively Muslim. Perhaps if your inbred boss eyes weren't swivelling around so much you would read and comprehend a little better. Honestly I met you once and thought you were alright, what happened?
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post Feb 7 2018, 07:18 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 7 2018, 07:09 AM) *
"There is a widespread view among practitioners of female genital muatilation (FGM) that it is a religious requirement, although there is no unequivocal link between the practice and religion"

The first line of the link you've posted suggests otherwise. Also I didn't say Muslims don't do it, I said it is not exclusively Muslim. Perhaps if your inbred boss eyes weren't swivelling around so much you would read and comprehend a little better. Honestly I met you once and thought you were alright, what happened?


I very much doubt you have ever met me or indeed have a clue who I am!😂
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post Feb 7 2018, 07:42 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 7 2018, 07:18 AM) *
I very much doubt you have ever met me or indeed have a clue who I am!��

I thought you were at the meet up we had some years ago at the hogshead? Could be wrong but it's not important. In fact it's better because you're a horrible person. And the person I met there seemed ok.
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post Feb 7 2018, 07:46 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 7 2018, 07:42 AM) *
I thought you were at the meet up we had some years ago at the hogshead? Could be wrong but it's not important. In fact it's better because you're a horrible person. And theboerson I met there seemed ok.

Dear god. How old are you? 3? I'm "hoirible" because my views differ?😂
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post Feb 7 2018, 08:10 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 7 2018, 07:46 AM) *
Dear god. How old are you? 3? I'm "hoirible" because my views differ?😂

I don’t think you are a horrible person as I don’t know who you are, but some of your views are ugly and rely on anecdotal evidence, which is a weak form of proof.
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post Feb 7 2018, 08:19 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 7 2018, 07:46 AM) *
Dear god. How old are you? 3? I'm "hoirible" because my views differ?��

No I think youre horrible because of the language you use, because of the way you present your arguments and belittle anyone who has different views to you. I can tell from the words use and the your opinions that you're older, probably in your sixties and definetly male. That doest matter so much but you build a picture and I bet I'm not far off. So I don't know you personally but based on what you put here I don't think much of you. I disagree with plenty on here and it's not a problem.
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post Feb 7 2018, 09:52 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 7 2018, 08:19 AM) *
No I think youre horrible because of the language you use, because of the way you present your arguments and belittle anyone who has different views to you. I can tell from the words use and the your opinions that you're older, probably in your sixties and definetly male. That doest matter so much but you build a picture and I bet I'm not far off. So I don't know you personally but based on what you put here I don't think much of you. I disagree with plenty on here and it's not a problem.


Another valid argument for euthanasia of the over 60s. wink.gif Must admit I am at odds with anyone who attacks an individual because of their age, political leaning, colour, religion, football team, dog etc, yet have trouble arguing their position from an intellectual base.

Please leave personal comments to those who know no better.


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post Feb 7 2018, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 7 2018, 12:16 AM) *
It is islamaphobic to criticise Muslims over FGM becaise it's not a Muslim problem. It's practised by plenty of backwards people who all believe in different made up deities.

But, whilst there is nothing in the quran that makes it a requirement under Islam, indeed some scholars proclaim it as unIslamic it is practiced predominantly within Muslim societies, and worldwide is only practiced within or adjacent to Muslim communities. So easy mistake to make.
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post Feb 7 2018, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 7 2018, 11:29 AM) *
But, whilst there is nothing in the quran that makes it a requirement under Islam, indeed some scholars proclaim it as unIslamic it is practiced predominantly within Muslim societies, and worldwide is only practiced within or adjacent to Muslim communities. So easy mistake to make.


There is a wider issue here in as much as the islamic doctrine goes out of the way to demean women, from arranged marriage to making them walk 2 steps behind their male family, from covering them completely in clothes to inflicting the topic subject in order to suppress their sexuality. Yes it occurs in non muslim communities but the process is concentrated in N.Africa and the Middle East. Even the Jews chop a chunk off their young boys because of some tooth fairy teaching.



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post Feb 7 2018, 01:00 PM
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Stone me. Not literally, but it looks like we have some common ground.
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post Feb 7 2018, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 7 2018, 01:00 PM) *
Stone me. Not literally, but it looks like we have some common ground.


I think it safe to assume we are all in agreement that cruelty, however supposedly justified, in all it's forms is never acceptable, and only standing as one on the issue will the agenda get forwarded.


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post Feb 7 2018, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 6 2018, 10:34 PM) *
I dont believe in a higher being so Islam has no meaning to me or indeed Christianity or any other fairy in the sky. Does that mean it is Islamophobic to criticise practioners of FGM or indeed Christianophobic to criticise paedophile priests? Oh... Its ok to criticise paedophile priests and quite right too. I'd personally see something nasty to happen to them. Just treat all crimes as that.... Crimes. No good comes out of letting minorities or smaller religious groups off. It just emboldens them. A crime is a crime is a crime. White, Black, or Brown.


Quite so. Just as much as we still listen to pop music, watch Hollywood films inspite of the abhorrent practices of a few of the senior practitioners. Nonetheless, social behaviour dictates that the current hate goat gets the blame, i.e. Back in the day influential communist agents were the big bogie, Blunt, Philby, etc, yet dear Mrs T. banned trades unions rather than Cambridge graduates, a common thread with them.


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post Feb 7 2018, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 7 2018, 08:10 AM) *
I don’t think you are a horrible person as I don’t know who you are, but some of your views are ugly and rely on anecdotal evidence, which is a weak form of proof.

Whether you feel they are ugly or not I presume you would agree that anyone has the right to express such a view as long as they are not breaking any laws. I do think these safe spaces and the like at uni are a disaster. How can you learn to debate and disagree, key in business if you stop people you disagree with from expressing said view.
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post Feb 7 2018, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 7 2018, 08:19 AM) *
No I think youre horrible because of the language you use, because of the way you present your arguments and belittle anyone who has different views to you. I can tell from the words use and the your opinions that you're older, probably in your sixties and definetly male. That doest matter so much but you build a picture and I bet I'm not far off. So I don't know you personally but based on what you put here I don't think much of you. I disagree with plenty on here and it's not a problem.

You are quite wrong but hey you can think what you like. Its called a forum. And by the way you think I am horrible. Im fine with that. I think you are probably male, in your early 20s and still living with Mummy and Daddy. But then I'm probably wrong as well.👍😂
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post Feb 7 2018, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Feb 7 2018, 08:22 PM) *
You are quite wrong but hey you can think what you like. Its called a forum. And by the way you think I am horrible. Im fine with that. I think you are probably male, in your early 20s and still living with Mummy and Daddy. But then I'm probably wrong as well.👍😂

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post Feb 7 2018, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 7 2018, 09:10 PM) *
Don't forget, we all live on planet snowflake now dry.gif


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post Feb 7 2018, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 7 2018, 09:10 PM) *
Don't forget, we all live on planet snowflake now dry.gif

Nah just the generation we have now have seen what dickks the previous generation has been. We're not putting up with it anymore. Baby boomers I'm referring to mainly.
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post Feb 7 2018, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 7 2018, 09:22 PM) *
Nah just the generation we have now have seen what dickks the previous generation has been. We're not putting up with it anymore. Baby boomers I'm referring to mainly.

Just as the next generation will look at you and think, "who is this enormous bell end?"
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