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Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 20 2017, 08:21 AM
But we all know what polls can be like! I'm waiting for the 'Queen' of lurkers to show up and bestow her wisdom!
Posted by: Andy1 Apr 20 2017, 08:49 AM
Corbyn and his credible policies. Hopefully there will be more upsets like Copeland, Labour lose more seats and then he'll have no choice but to step down.
Posted by: Simon Kirby Apr 20 2017, 10:56 AM
QUOTE (Andy1 @ Apr 20 2017, 09:49 AM) 
Corbyn and his credible policies. Hopefully there will be more upsets like Copeland, Labour lose more seats and then he'll have no choice but to step down.
Yes, Labour's credible socialism has certainly worried the Tories, both those in the Conservative party and those Blairites in Labour.
Posted by: Andy1 Apr 20 2017, 12:13 PM
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 20 2017, 11:56 AM)
Yes, Labour's credible socialism has certainly worried the Tories, both those in the Conservative party and those Blairites in Labour.
I suppose 1 million homes, 1 million worthwhile jobs that'll make people want to get up in the morning as well as £500 billion injection into the economy is credible.
Posted by: On the edge Apr 20 2017, 02:42 PM
QUOTE (Andy1 @ Apr 20 2017, 01:13 PM)
I suppose 1 million homes, 1 million worthwhile jobs that'll make people want to get up in the morning as well as £500 billion injection into the economy is credible.
Actually, against the amount of money we p*** away on non peaceful nuclear and other 'defence' needs, yes, it is perfectly credible. And worthwhile jobs; or at least our fair share of head office / strategic jobs that have disappeared to the continent. I certainly agree, as do several of my ex BHS friends, that getting up to work for a firm where the boss doesn't think you are something he stepped in on the pavement and isn't sailing round the Med. spending your future career prospects, might be a better alternative than what's on offer by our dark and light blue colleagues!
Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 20 2017, 07:29 PM
Not a great choice:
Monster Raving Tories - Pro EU, but likely hard Brexit and much austerity & hardship unless you are a swindling fat cat. Strong party leader who is popular with the membership and cabinet.
Laborious- Pro EUish but with a support largely anti-EU; perhaps Brexit lite whilst they promise anything with a dollop of repulsive shadow cabinet members. Weak leader, popular with the membership but not popular in parliament.
Liberally Demented - smug pro EU anti-Brexit, but no-one likes them.
Hopeless.
Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 20 2017, 10:24 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 20 2017, 08:29 PM)
Not a great choice:
Monster Raving Tories - Pro EU, but likely hard Brexit and much austerity & hardship unless you are a swindling fat cat. Strong party leader who is popular with the membership and cabinet.
Laborious- Pro EUish but with a support largely anti-EU; perhaps Brexit lite whilst they promise anything with a dollop of repulsive shadow cabinet members. Weak leader, popular with the membership but not popular in parliament.
Liberally Demented - smug pro EU anti-Brexit, but no-one likes them.
Hopeless.
Monster Raving Tories - Pro EU, but likely hard Brexit and much austerity & hardship unless you are a swindling fat cat. Strong party leader who is popular with the membership and cabinet.
Laborious- Pro EUish but with a support largely anti-EU; perhaps Brexit lite whilst they promise anything with a dollop of repulsive shadow cabinet members. Weak leader, popular with the membership but not popular in parliament.
Liberally Demented - smug pro EU anti-Brexit, but no-one likes them.
Hopeless.
you forgot VW!!
Posted by: Blake Apr 20 2017, 11:41 PM
At the end of this election, I think the reality that the workers revolution is never coming might finally dawn on Jeremy Corbyn. Maybe he'll be converted to New Labour!
Posted by: On the edge Apr 21 2017, 06:33 AM
QUOTE (Blake @ Apr 21 2017, 12:41 AM)
At the end of this election, I think the reality that the workers revolution is never coming might finally dawn on Jeremy Corbyn. Maybe he'll be converted to New Labour!
They've tried that, its called Conservatism.
Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 21 2017, 06:50 AM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 20 2017, 11:24 PM)
VW!!
That's the trouble with politicians; you can't trust a word they say. And what they do say is largely bad for your health!
Posted by: Andy1 May 6 2017, 04:23 PM
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 20 2017, 11:56 AM)
Yes, Labour's credible socialism has certainly worried the Tories, both those in the Conservative party and those Blairites in Labour.
Yep, really worried
Posted by: GMR May 17 2017, 03:36 PM
QUOTE (Andy1 @ Apr 20 2017, 09:49 AM)
Corbyn and his credible policies. Hopefully there will be more upsets like Copeland, Labour lose more seats and then he'll have no choice but to step down.
So did Adolf Hitler to some, but that isn't reason enough to vote for him.
Posted by: On the edge May 17 2017, 04:29 PM
If Labour does do badly and Corbyn stands down, all the more reason to vote Labour round here. The very last thing we want is yet another coalition with a party which had a manifesto that makes Labour's look sane! If the LibDims do pick up the odd seat, like West Berks, we are in deep trouble. With them, it's not don't hold your breath, more don't breath in!
Posted by: GMR May 17 2017, 04:46 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 17 2017, 05:29 PM)
If Labour does do badly and Corbyn stands down, all the more reason to vote Labour round here. The very last thing we want is yet another coalition with a party which had a manifesto that makes Labour's look sane! If the LibDims do pick up the odd seat, like West Berks, we are in deep trouble. With them, it's not don't hold your breath, more don't breath in!
Corbyn said he won't stand down if they lose.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 17 2017, 07:24 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 17 2017, 05:29 PM)
If Labour does do badly and Corbyn stands down, all the more reason to vote Labour round here. The very last thing we want is yet another coalition with a party which had a manifesto that makes Labour's look sane! If the LibDims do pick up the odd seat, like West Berks, we are in deep trouble. With them, it's not don't hold your breath, more don't breath in!
What is insane about the Lib Dem's manifesto?
Posted by: Turin Machine May 17 2017, 07:34 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 17 2017, 08:24 PM)
What is insane about the Lib Dem's manifesto?
I think it's a goodun, cannabis on the high Street. Got to be a winner. Sales of cornflakes will soar as well.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 17 2017, 08:16 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 17 2017, 08:34 PM)
I think it's a goodun, cannabis on the high Street. Got to be a winner. Sales of cornflakes will soar as well.
It's already here.
Posted by: On the edge May 17 2017, 09:06 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 17 2017, 08:24 PM)
What is insane about the Lib Dem's manifesto?
The idea of legalising cannabis, taxing sales and using the revenue to pay for the programme. Presumably the LibDims will continue to try and outlaw smoking!
Frankly, a safer approach would be to legalise prostitution and tax that - would solve the NHS problem wouldn't it?
Sorry, and it's probably me being very cynical, but what happened to the policies they had when in coalition? Anyway, West Berks ought to be once bitten twice shy.
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 17 2017, 10:27 PM
Blair - "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
Corbyn - "Tough on wealth, tough on the causes of wealth"
Posted by: Andy Capp May 18 2017, 12:43 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 17 2017, 10:06 PM)
The idea of legalising cannabis, taxing sales and using the revenue to pay for the programme. Presumably the LibDims will continue to try and outlaw smoking!
Frankly, a safer approach would be to legalise prostitution and tax that - would solve the NHS problem wouldn't it?
Sorry, and it's probably me being very cynical, but what happened to the policies they had when in coalition? Anyway, West Berks ought to be once bitten twice shy.
Frankly, a safer approach would be to legalise prostitution and tax that - would solve the NHS problem wouldn't it?
Sorry, and it's probably me being very cynical, but what happened to the policies they had when in coalition? Anyway, West Berks ought to be once bitten twice shy.
Cannabis is already effectively legal.
Posted by: On the edge May 18 2017, 05:30 AM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 18 2017, 01:43 AM)
Cannabis is already effectively legal.
Yes, I can see that to some extent. Similarly, shoplifing is also effectively legal.
Posted by: Simon Kirby May 18 2017, 06:32 AM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 17 2017, 11:27 PM)
Blair - "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
Corbyn - "Tough on wealth, tough on the causes of wealth"
Corbyn - "Tough on wealth, tough on the causes of wealth"
Yes, catchy slogan, but you're not addressing the detail of a single Labour policy, nor are you promoting any alternative, party or policy.
Posted by: Simon Kirby May 18 2017, 06:45 AM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 18 2017, 01:43 AM)
Cannabis is already effectively legal.
The Lib Dem proposal has attracted some ridicule but personally I'm in favour of decriminalising the use and supply of pot and I'd like to see a debate on the decriminalisation of all illegal drugs. I understand that drug can be problematic but so too is the criminalisation, quite possibly more so. Supporting users to give up drugs could be a more effective way of dealing with the negative consequences of drug use with none of the problems of criminality, and being a bit more relaxed about the use of drugs that aren't especially harmful would probably help too with more support and education to allow people to make their own choices.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 18 2017, 08:20 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 06:30 AM)
Yes, I can see that to some extent. Similarly, shoplifing is also effectively legal.
I seem to remember reading ~85% of robberies are sponsored by the 'need' to fund illegal drugs use. It seems also that drug use is as 'popular' as ever. It makes sense therefore to approach the issue from a different angle, perhaps then we might also see a reduction in shoplifting.
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 18 2017, 08:44 AM
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 18 2017, 07:32 AM)
Yes, catchy slogan, but you're not addressing the detail of a single Labour policy, nor are you promoting any alternative, party or policy.
It is catchy isn't it? I wonder why it's not used more? Maybe I could copywriter it and make some money? It does after all reflect labours desire to reduce the population to the lowest possible denominater. Unless your a union of course.
Posted by: On the edge May 18 2017, 09:38 AM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 18 2017, 09:20 AM)
I seem to remember reading ~85% of robberies are sponsored by the 'need' to fund illegal drugs use. It seems also that drug use is as 'popular' as ever. It makes sense therefore to approach the issue from a different angle, perhaps then we might also see a reduction in shoplifting.
Why don't they try out the theory on other intractable crimes first, then we'll see if this approach really works. For instance a huge percentage of road accidents are caused by 'the need to speed', in spite of cameras and constant tough enforcement, speeding is as 'popular' as ever. So it must also make sense to approach that from Tim's different angle.
Sorry, its populist clap trap, aimed at the pseudo intelligentsia who thought 'restorative justice' would solve our anti social crime problem and that free school meals would suddenly lift our schools performance.
What saddens me is the odium heaped on Labour for its manifesto, which doesn't contain anything anywhere near as wacky or revolutionary. It even includes stuff the Daily Mail is fighting for; renationalisation of railways. Nonetheless the LibDem one does fit like a glove with the May one party vision. We are all Tories, dark and light and blue all in the same room and if you think you are a trendy you go and join our mates having a fag on the patio.
PS - Have just seen that our local LibDem hopeful is going on a march campaigning for better help for people suffering from mental illness. Latest findings are beginning to reveal long term use of cannabis substantially increases your chances of suffering mental illness. Not exactly joined up policy thinking, unless you have a Tory mindset - increase use means more tax, but don't worry 'we'll look after you'.
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 18 2017, 10:26 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 10:38 AM)
PS - Have just seen that our local LibDem hopeful is going on a march campaigning for better help for people suffering from mental illness. Latest findings are beginning to reveal long term use of cannabis substantially increases your chances of suffering mental illness. Not exactly joined up policy thinking, unless you have a Tory mindset - increase use means more tax, but don't worry 'we'll look after you'.
Goes part of the way to explaining why, after so many years of legalised cannabis use the Dutch are all as mad as hatters. Oh, wait!
Posted by: Andy Capp May 18 2017, 02:26 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 10:38 AM)
Why don't they try out the theory on other intractable crimes first
I believe the illegal drugs trade is 'intractable'.
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 10:38 AM)
, then we'll see if this approach really works. For instance a huge percentage of road accidents are caused by 'the need to speed', in spite of cameras and constant tough enforcement, speeding is as 'popular' as ever. So it must also make sense to approach that from Tim's different angle.
I think that is a specious argument. Speed management controls have made roads undeniably safer. Moreover, the speeders amongst us haven't developed a revenue stream that helps underpin a criminal underworld.
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 10:38 AM)
Sorry, its populist clap trap, aimed at the pseudo intelligentsia who thought 'restorative justice' would solve our anti social crime problem and that free school meals would suddenly lift our schools performance.
Those initiatives are a part of the evolution of human behaviour management. They were never meant to cure anything, that's your hyperbole. Those ideas were underpinned by research; whether they work or not remains to be seen, but it is better than just keep doing the same thing over where it has been proven not to improve matters.
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 10:38 AM)
What saddens me is the odium heaped on Labour for its manifesto, which doesn't contain anything anywhere near as wacky or revolutionary.
I think it does. Some of Corbyn's ideas are simply unworkable under the current zeitgeist.
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 10:38 AM)
PS - Have just seen that our local LibDem hopeful is going on a march campaigning for better help for people suffering from mental illness. Latest findings are beginning to reveal long term use of cannabis substantially increases your chances of suffering mental illness. Not exactly joined up policy thinking, unless you have a Tory mindset - increase use means more tax, but don't worry 'we'll look after you'.
The legalise drug idea isn't about curing anything, it is about a different way of managing a problem that is not going to go away any time soon. Perhaps it is the company I keep, but I don't know anyone that doesn't experiment with illegal drugs simply because they are illegal, but I do know people who don't speed because it is.
Posted by: newres May 18 2017, 03:04 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 18 2017, 09:44 AM)
It is catchy isn't it? I wonder why it's not used more? Maybe I could copywriter it and make some money? It does after all reflect labours desire to reduce the population to the lowest possible denominater. Unless your a union of course.
Just as long as you don't try to make money proof reading.
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 18 2017, 03:09 PM
QUOTE (newres @ May 18 2017, 04:04 PM)
Just as long as you don't try to make money proof reading.
Could've bin worser, could av sed onion, cos they bofe stinks.
Posted by: On the edge May 18 2017, 04:29 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 18 2017, 03:26 PM)
I believe the illegal drugs trade is 'intractable'.
I think that is a specious argument. Speed management controls have made roads undeniably safer. Moreover, the speeders amongst us haven't developed a revenue stream that helps underpin a criminal underworld.
Those initiatives are a part of the evolution of human behaviour management. They were never meant to cure anything, that's your hyperbole. Those ideas were underpinned by research; whether they work or not remains to be seen, but it is better than just keep doing the same thing over where it has been proven not to improve matters.
..........
I think it does. Some of Corbyn's ideas are simply unworkable under the current zeitgeist.
The legalise drug idea isn't about curing anything, it is about a different way of managing a problem that is not going to go away any time soon. Perhaps it is the company I keep, but I don't know anyone that doesn't experiment with illegal drugs simply because they are illegal, but I do know people who don't speed because it is.
I think that is a specious argument. Speed management controls have made roads undeniably safer. Moreover, the speeders amongst us haven't developed a revenue stream that helps underpin a criminal underworld.
Those initiatives are a part of the evolution of human behaviour management. They were never meant to cure anything, that's your hyperbole. Those ideas were underpinned by research; whether they work or not remains to be seen, but it is better than just keep doing the same thing over where it has been proven not to improve matters.
..........
I think it does. Some of Corbyn's ideas are simply unworkable under the current zeitgeist.
The legalise drug idea isn't about curing anything, it is about a different way of managing a problem that is not going to go away any time soon. Perhaps it is the company I keep, but I don't know anyone that doesn't experiment with illegal drugs simply because they are illegal, but I do know people who don't speed because it is.
Sorry, certainly haven't sold it to me, some of these ideas are just as unworkable as Labour's and to many quite repugnant. That's certainly the impression I get knocking on doors! Ironically, even the youth and student forums I've been to are very much less enthusiastic than most would imagine. Perhaps it's their way if rebelling.
it's telling that they haven't touched other controversial issues, which some think are of higher priority. Incorporating Sharia law, no fault divorce, legitimising polygamy etc. It's only things that can be taxed, cannibis sales, prostitution etc.
Once the moralising is over, we get to the heart of the matter. The unemployment benefits bill will go down and job seekers will have more opportunities, nice! So, to right wing Tories, a coalition is beginning to make a lot of sense.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 18 2017, 06:21 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 05:29 PM)
Sorry, certainly haven't sold it to me, some of these ideas are just as unworkable as Labour's and to many quite repugnant.
That's certainly the impression I get knocking on doors! Ironically, even the youth and student forums I've been to are very much less enthusiastic than most would imagine. Perhaps it's their way if rebelling.
That's certainly the impression I get knocking on doors! Ironically, even the youth and student forums I've been to are very much less enthusiastic than most would imagine. Perhaps it's their way if rebelling.
I'm not sure anecdotes are measure of national mood on any particular subject, or even if it matters. We all know what a bunch of dumbarses the electorate can be.
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 05:29 PM)
it's telling that they haven't touched other controversial issues, which some think are of higher priority. Incorporating Sharia law, no fault divorce, legitimising polygamy etc. It's only things that can be taxed, cannibis sales, prostitution etc.
Aren't those things currently illegal; what are they meant to do: make them more illegal? What are labour doing about it?
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 05:29 PM)
Once the moralising is over, we get to the heart of the matter. The unemployment benefits bill will go down and job seekers will have more opportunities, nice! So, to right wing Tories, a coalition is beginning to make a lot of sense.
I don't see how the drug policy is a moral one; it looks more like a practical one to me.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 18 2017, 07:22 PM
Incidentally, because I might see potential in an idea, it doesn't mean I am in complete agreement either. It is just I don't see the present arrangement as working, considering the crime it brings.
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 18 2017, 08:12 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 05:29 PM)
Once the moralising is over, we get to the heart of the matter. The unemployment benefits bill will go down and job seekers will have more opportunities, nice! So, to right wing Tories, a coalition of chaos is beginning to make a lot less sense.
Fixxored that one for you.
Posted by: On the edge May 18 2017, 08:44 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 18 2017, 07:21 PM)
I'm not sure anecdotes are measure of national mood on any particular subject, or even if it matters. We all know what a bunch of dumbarses the electorate can be.
Sadly, as the LibDem manifesto demonstrates the dumbarse electorate get what they deserve, dumbarse parties.
Aren't those things currently illegal; what are they meant to do: make them more illegal? What are labour doing about it?
That's the point, cannibis and running brothels are illegal today. Why have these crimes and not other 'social crimes' been chosen? I don't think the other parties including Labour have changed from the 'tough on crime tough on the causes' mantra; which doesn't mean reducing crime rates by abolishing the offence.
I don't see how the drug policy is a moral one; it looks more like a practical one to me.
It's moral, in that it is thought to be protecting people from themselves. We have had many years of seeing the effects of drug abuse on individuals and it's consequential overspill into society generally. There is, as yet, no credible evidence to suggest the dangers don't exist arguably quite the reverse.
Sadly, as the LibDem manifesto demonstrates the dumbarse electorate get what they deserve, dumbarse parties.
Aren't those things currently illegal; what are they meant to do: make them more illegal? What are labour doing about it?
That's the point, cannibis and running brothels are illegal today. Why have these crimes and not other 'social crimes' been chosen? I don't think the other parties including Labour have changed from the 'tough on crime tough on the causes' mantra; which doesn't mean reducing crime rates by abolishing the offence.
I don't see how the drug policy is a moral one; it looks more like a practical one to me.
It's moral, in that it is thought to be protecting people from themselves. We have had many years of seeing the effects of drug abuse on individuals and it's consequential overspill into society generally. There is, as yet, no credible evidence to suggest the dangers don't exist arguably quite the reverse.
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 18 2017, 08:59 PM
My take on the cannabis debate is the lib Dems think it'll make all the difference with young voters. If you were 19 and someone said "we'll let you buy weed in the high st" you're probably gonna vote lib dem. ****, if they offered a quiet night in and a lifetime supply of Ralgex I'd vote for them, maybe.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 18 2017, 09:19 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 18 2017, 09:59 PM)
My take on the cannabis debate is the lib Dems think it'll make all the difference with young voters. If you were 19 and someone said "we'll let you buy weed in the high st" you're probably gonna vote lib dem. ****, if they offered a quiet night in and a lifetime supply of Ralgex I'd vote for them, maybe.
They'll be too stoned to vote.😂 Timmy is worse than Corbyn. They'll be wiped out.
Posted by: blackdog May 18 2017, 09:23 PM
Now the Tory manifesto is out and it seems that, while Labour want to tax the rich, the Tories want to tax the middle class old and infirm. And the BBC tell me it is a lurch to the left!
Posted by: Turin Machine May 18 2017, 10:24 PM
QUOTE (blackdog @ May 18 2017, 10:23 PM)
Now the Tory manifesto is out and it seems that, while Labour want to tax the rich, the Tories want to tax the middle class old and infirm. And the BBC tell me it is a lurch to the left!
Dont gasp but I agree, I think the first responsibility of any civilised nation is to care for the old and infirm. I love the way they say " you will be able to leave your children £100k" About enough to buy a rasperry mivvi when split beween four. Simply gift your house to a descendant you can trust before its too late. Cant take it if its not yours.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 18 2017, 11:06 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 09:44 PM)
QUOTE ('Andy Capp')
I'm not sure anecdotes are measure of national mood on any particular subject, or even if it matters. We all know what a bunch of dumbarses the electorate can be.
Sadly, as the LibDem manifesto demonstrates the dumbarse electorate get what they deserve, dumbarse parties.
As it is likely the Lib Dems will finish no higher than 3rd, using your measurement, the Tories and Labour are dumber!
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 09:44 PM)
QUOTE ('Andy Capp')
Aren't those things currently illegal; what are they meant to do: make them more illegal? What are labour doing about it?
That's the point, cannibis and running brothels are illegal today. Why have these crimes and not other 'social crimes' been chosen? I don't think the other parties including Labour have changed from the 'tough on crime tough on the causes' mantra; which doesn't mean reducing crime rates by abolishing the offence.If the activity is perceived to be benign, why should we need to maintain its illegal status? Of course, there is an ugly side to drug abuse or prostitution, but taxation could fund initiatives to help control that.
If your view is that the cost of policing drug abuse is reasonable and if you think the the current law and policing keeps drug abuse to a minimum then clearly the pledge is not for you, but you have not yet argued a rational case for why the pledge is repugnant or ridiculous. Disagreeable maybe, but your rantinging is on par with the other hysterical rightists on here.
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 18 2017, 09:44 PM)
QUOTE ('Andy Capp')
I don't see how the drug policy is a moral one; it looks more like a practical one to me.
It's moral, in that it is thought to be protecting people from themselves. We have had many years of seeing the effects of drug abuse on individuals and it's consequential overspill into society generally. There is, as yet, no credible evidence to suggest the dangers don't exist arguably quite the reverse.
Sorry, I didn't know you were an expert, but I am accepting in good faith that policy has been developed after consultation. I'd rather that we stop criminalising pot/weed/resin smokers and re-focus resources on other areas that might need resources. Cybercrime for instance.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 18 2017, 11:24 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 18 2017, 09:59 PM)
My take on the cannabis debate is the lib Dems think it'll make all the difference with young voters. If you were 19 and someone said "we'll let you buy weed in the high st" you're probably gonna vote lib dem. ****, if they offered a quiet night in and a lifetime supply of Ralgex I'd vote for them, maybe.
Judging by thew aroma around town, I don't think those people are that bothered about the current law. It certainly is not harming the supply chain.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 18 2017, 11:28 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_Colorado
"State wide effects since the legalization of recreational marijuana Colorado has seen many changes. To start in the fiscal year of 2015-2016 marijuana brought in 42.5 million dollars in tax revenue, distributing the first 40 million to the Colorado Department of Education BEST program and the excise 2.5 million to the Public school program funding. Also there was a change in the crime rates. Per the Colorado court system, marijuana possession arrest dropped a whopping 84% (Drug Policy Alliance). Now with each possession case running the state about 300 dollars, the state should be saving millions in judicial fees. Also arrests for cultivating and distributing marijuana dropped by more than 90%. To top it all off burglaries also decreased by 9.5% (DPA), and overall property crime decreased by 8.9%. In the area of accidents related to marijuana one simple stat of in the first 11 months of 2014: the state had a 3% drop in traffic fatalities."
Some other reading (of questionable partiality):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/13/heres-how-legal-pot-changed-colorado-and-washington/?utm_term=.a4b3732e7521
https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/05/22/9-fast-facts-about-marijuana-including-1-telling-s.aspx
https://www.leafly.com/news/politics/one-year-later-the-positives-and-negatives-of-colorados-legal-rec
Posted by: On the edge May 19 2017, 06:48 AM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 19 2017, 12:06 AM)
Sadly, as the LibDem manifesto demonstrates the dumbarse electorate get what they deserve, dumbarse parties.
As it is likely the Lib Dems will finish no higher than 3rd, using your measurement, the Tories and Labour are dumber!
That's the point, cannibis and running brothels are illegal today. Why have these crimes and not other 'social crimes' been chosen? I don't think the other parties including Labour have changed from the 'tough on crime tough on the causes' mantra; which doesn't mean reducing crime rates by abolishing the offence.
If the activity is perceived to be benign, why should we need to maintain its illegal status? Of course, there is an ugly side to drug abuse or prostitution, but taxation could fund initiatives to help control that.
If your view is that the cost of policing drug abuse is reasonable and if you think the the current law and policing keeps drug abuse to a minimum then clearly the pledge is not for you, but you have not yet argued a rational case for why the pledge is repugnant or ridiculous. Disagreeable maybe, but your rantinging is on par with the other hysterical rightists on here.
It's moral, in that it is thought to be protecting people from themselves. We have had many years of seeing the effects of drug abuse on individuals and it's consequential overspill into society generally. There is, as yet, no credible evidence to suggest the dangers don't exist arguably quite the reverse.
Sorry, I didn't know you were an expert, but I am accepting in good faith that policy has been developed after consultation. I'd rather that we stop criminalising pot/weed/resin smokers and re-focus resources on other areas that might need resources. Cybercrime for instance.
As it is likely the Lib Dems will finish no higher than 3rd, using your measurement, the Tories and Labour are dumber!
That's the point, cannibis and running brothels are illegal today. Why have these crimes and not other 'social crimes' been chosen? I don't think the other parties including Labour have changed from the 'tough on crime tough on the causes' mantra; which doesn't mean reducing crime rates by abolishing the offence.
If the activity is perceived to be benign, why should we need to maintain its illegal status? Of course, there is an ugly side to drug abuse or prostitution, but taxation could fund initiatives to help control that.
If your view is that the cost of policing drug abuse is reasonable and if you think the the current law and policing keeps drug abuse to a minimum then clearly the pledge is not for you, but you have not yet argued a rational case for why the pledge is repugnant or ridiculous. Disagreeable maybe, but your rantinging is on par with the other hysterical rightists on here.
It's moral, in that it is thought to be protecting people from themselves. We have had many years of seeing the effects of drug abuse on individuals and it's consequential overspill into society generally. There is, as yet, no credible evidence to suggest the dangers don't exist arguably quite the reverse.
Sorry, I didn't know you were an expert, but I am accepting in good faith that policy has been developed after consultation. I'd rather that we stop criminalising pot/weed/resin smokers and re-focus resources on other areas that might need resources. Cybercrime for instance.
I'll leave it there, nothing has changed and it simply reinforces my own view of where our society is now going.
A letter in this week's NWN suggests the Tories want to take us back to the 1870's as a repost to the jibe that Labour is returning the 1970s. Well, I'll give the LibDems their due, they've gone one better - back to the 1770s; Hogarth is back!
Posted by: On the edge May 19 2017, 06:50 AM
QUOTE (blackdog @ May 18 2017, 10:23 PM)
Now the Tory manifesto is out and it seems that, while Labour want to tax the rich, the Tories want to tax the middle class old and infirm. And the BBC tell me it is a lurch to the left!
Spot on.
Is it a lurch left or right, feels to me like a lurch through the floor!
Posted by: Andy Capp May 19 2017, 07:01 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 19 2017, 07:48 AM)
I'll leave it there, nothing has changed and it simply reinforces my own view of where our society is now going.
A letter in this week's NWN suggests the Tories want to take us back to the 1870's as a repost to the jibe that Labour is returning the 1970s. Well, I'll give the LibDems their due, they've gone one better - back to the 1770s; Hogarth is back!
A letter in this week's NWN suggests the Tories want to take us back to the 1870's as a repost to the jibe that Labour is returning the 1970s. Well, I'll give the LibDems their due, they've gone one better - back to the 1770s; Hogarth is back!
Don't worry, while we have people with an irrational fear of change we will be going nowhere.
Posted by: On the edge May 19 2017, 09:16 AM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 19 2017, 08:01 AM)
Don't worry, while we have people with an irrational fear of change we will be going nowhere.
Quite happy about change, simply unlike some, I've not smashed my moral compass.
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 19 2017, 09:44 AM
Look, the Tories have done all they can, after their attacks on the elderly if labour still can't win its a pretty poor do, don't you think? 
Posted by: Andy Capp May 19 2017, 12:34 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 19 2017, 10:16 AM)
Quite happy about change, simply unlike some, I've not smashed my moral compass.
That is probably what many said about gay rights.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 19 2017, 12:37 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 19 2017, 10:44 AM)
Look, the Tories have done all they can, after their attacks on the elderly if labour still can't win its a pretty poor do, don't you think?
Quite. Labour (and others, like Lib Dems) are dumping on their core vote (by not being a credible opposition) big style.
Posted by: On the edge May 19 2017, 01:58 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 19 2017, 01:34 PM)
That is probably what many said about gay rights.
Indeed, and as Mr Farron discovered when the Rites Police got him, changing the law doesn't change attitudes. I wonder how long it will be before there are official apologies to the likes of Rolf Harris for their 'crimes'.
Posted by: On the edge May 19 2017, 02:02 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 19 2017, 10:44 AM)
Look, the Tories have done all they can, after their attacks on the elderly if labour still can't win its a pretty poor do, don't you think?
Yes, it is. Labour have not done enough to rid itself of the failed 'New Labour' philosophy which some of its core MPs struggle with. Sure, its easy to dismiss the electorate as uneducated numbskulls, but failure to listen costs dear.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 19 2017, 02:48 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 19 2017, 02:58 PM)
Indeed, and as Mr Farron discovered when the Rites Police got him, changing the law doesn't change attitudes. I wonder how long it will be before there are official apologies to the likes of Rolf Harris for their 'crimes'.
For that to become a reality, and I doubt it will, it would be because we had discovered something that meant we completely misunderstood something about human behaviour and how to manage it.
Posted by: Turin Machine May 19 2017, 02:49 PM
I despair, I really do, we (the Tories) had this one in the bag, what did we do? Stab the aging middle Britain core voter in the back. As a tactical decision it ranks right up there with "Russia looks like an easy target now winters coming on, let's invade". I'm not a conspiracy theory fan, but, it really appears like they want to be shot of the whole Brexit thing, let someone else deal with it. It must have taken a lot of hard work, very late at night to come up with such a sure fire way of losing an election. Well done. Really. Oh well, maybe next time.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 19 2017, 02:51 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 19 2017, 03:02 PM)
Yes, it is. Labour have not done enough to rid itself of the failed 'New Labour' philosophy which some of its core MPs struggle with. Sure, its easy to dismiss the electorate as uneducated numbskulls, but failure to listen costs dear.
New labour only a made few mistakes but they had a profound effect. If Labour had more of the New Labour about itself, then it might be more electable.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 19 2017, 02:52 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 19 2017, 03:49 PM)
I despair, I really do, we (the Tories) had this one in the bag, what did we do? Stab the aging middle Britain core voter in the back. As a tactical decision it ranks right up there with "Russia looks like an easy target now winters coming on, let's invade". I'm not a conspiracy theory fan, but, it really appears like they want to be shot of the whole Brexit thing, let someone else deal with it. It must have taken a lot of hard work, very late at night to come up with such a sure fire way of losing an election. Well done. Really. Oh well, maybe next time.
It's only the silver vote that has any money to tax! The rest are skint or can afford decent accountants.
Posted by: Turin Machine May 19 2017, 03:05 PM
Equity release, here I come!
Posted by: newres May 26 2017, 01:36 PM
As time goes on I'm warming to Corbyn. He is spot on about the failure of the "war on terror" and if he ends our involvement in it, I'm prepared to accept the increased tax for me personally and the risk for the economy. The risk from Labour is tiny compared to the risk from leaving the single market and I'm pretty confident that under Corbyn we would get Brexit "lite". Perhaps it's time to vote for honesty. May looks anything but "strong and stable".
Posted by: On the edge May 26 2017, 04:37 PM
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2017, 02:36 PM)
As time goes on I'm warming to Corbyn. He is spot on about the failure of the "war on terror" and if he ends our involvement in it, I'm prepared to accept the increased tax for me personally and the risk for the economy. The risk from Labour is tiny compared to the risk from leaving the single market and I'm pretty confident that under Corbyn we would get Brexit "lite". Perhaps it's time to vote for honesty. May looks anything but "strong and stable".
Yes, as someone who did vote leave I'd not disagree. After being 'in' for the previous 40 years, an IN or OUT only option vote was pretty dumb. If you were 'so dissatisfied' after that relationship, frankly OUT was the logical outcome! It wasn't helped at all by the pre discussion Cameron had with Europe, when his Oliver Twist approach was met in the traditional manner. So, I think the Labour approach of seeing where we get with a sensible debate; as you'd have commercially with a recalcitrant mission critical service provider is indeed the right way forward. Arguably, the debate Cameron should have had!
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 26 2017, 05:19 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 26 2017, 05:37 PM)
Yes, as someone who did vote leave I'd not disagree. After being 'in' for the previous 40 years, an IN or OUT only option vote was pretty dumb. If you were 'so dissatisfied' after that relationship, frankly OUT was the logical outcome! It wasn't helped at all by the pre discussion Cameron had with Europe, when his Oliver Twist approach was met in the traditional manner. So, I think the Labour approach of seeing where we get with a sensible debate; as you'd have commercially with a recalcitrant mission critical service provider is indeed the right way forward. Arguably, the debate Cameron should have had!
Corbyn will win the GE. Lots of my colleagues who are normally blue are voting for him. Lunacy. They are fed up with austerity. Good luck. 8s with the bookies. Get on.
He will bring you. Inflation. Strikes. Mass immigartion. Diane Abbott. A pound that wont be worth a Euro. Riots. And mass unemployment.
And it will all be blamed on Brexit and not crazy spending.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 26 2017, 05:54 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2017, 06:19 PM)
Corbyn will win the GE. Lots of my colleagues who are normally blue are voting for him. Lunacy. They are fed up with austerity. Good luck. 8s with the bookies. Get on.
He will bring you. Inflation. Strikes. Mass immigartion. Diane Abbott. A pound that wont be worth a Euro. Riots. And mass unemployment.
And it will all be blamed on Brexit and not crazy spending.
He will bring you. Inflation. Strikes. Mass immigartion. Diane Abbott. A pound that wont be worth a Euro. Riots. And mass unemployment.
And it will all be blamed on Brexit and not crazy spending.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/may/21/jeremy-corbyn-music-festival-tranmere-rovers-ground-video
JC... Ill say it again. Diane Abbott.😮
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 26 2017, 06:02 PM
Don't forget that with every Jeremy elected this time you also get a free momentum! Two swivel eyed rabid, anti business loonies for the price of one! Vote now while stocks last!
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 26 2017, 06:04 PM
Trotsky's being interviewed on the box.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 26 2017, 06:09 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 26 2017, 07:04 PM)
Trotsky's being interviewed on the box.
People wont be so keen when he fails to raise the required revenue with his Robin Hood tax and the tax on the over 80ks. And he is then forced to raise the basic raise of tax. A lot. And I'll pi55 myself laughing.😂
Posted by: newres May 26 2017, 06:24 PM
He's certainly less mad than Donald Trump. I'm beginning to think we are going to see a shock result. I'm very unsure about his economics, but the outcome of his policies have got to be better than a hard Brexit.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 26 2017, 06:35 PM
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2017, 07:24 PM)
He's certainly less mad than Donald Trump. I'm beginning to think we are going to see a shock result. I'm very unsure about his economics, but the outcome of his policies have got to be better than a hard Brexit.
I wont be sticking around to find out.😂
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 26 2017, 06:38 PM
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2017, 07:24 PM)
He's certainly less mad than Donald Trump.
That, is a very low bar to set. Oh, he'll win, four years time, no brexit, taxes up, businesses closing down, borrowing at levels that can never be repayed, compulsory attendance for 'lessons in transgender issues in a modern society' and a dull sullen silence from the liberal elite of Islington. Country gone to **** in a handbag while waynetta slob and her entourage swig from cans of special brew before signing on and the unions running riot with services. Welcome to Britain, newest member of the league of third world nations.
Posted by: newres May 26 2017, 06:39 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2017, 07:35 PM)
I wont be sticking around to find out.😂
Won't be as bad as Brexit.
Posted by: Turin Machine May 26 2017, 06:42 PM
We're doomed! I'm off, I'm taking my 💰 and leaving the disaster zone.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 26 2017, 06:52 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 26 2017, 07:42 PM)
We're doomed! I'm off, I'm taking my 💰 and leaving the disaster zone.
You can run but you can't hide!
Posted by: Turin Machine May 26 2017, 06:53 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 26 2017, 07:52 PM)
You can run but you can't hide!
Yes, yes i can.
Posted by: newres May 26 2017, 06:54 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 26 2017, 07:42 PM)
We're doomed! I'm off, I'm taking my 💰 and leaving the disaster zone.
Suck it up bittercup.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 26 2017, 06:59 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 26 2017, 07:53 PM)
Yes, yes i can.
What makes you think it's better anywhere else!
Posted by: Simon Kirby May 26 2017, 07:00 PM
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2017, 02:36 PM)
As time goes on I'm warming to Corbyn. He is spot on about the failure of the "war on terror" and if he ends our involvement in it, I'm prepared to accept the increased tax for me personally and the risk for the economy. The risk from Labour is tiny compared to the risk from leaving the single market and I'm pretty confident that under Corbyn we would get Brexit "lite". Perhaps it's time to vote for honesty. May looks anything but "strong and stable".
I liked the guy right out of the box for his integrity and values, though I'm a Liberal rather than a natural socialist and was really quite concerned that he'd champion a meddlesome interventionist economic policy. In truth I'm still a little sceptical about the promised infrastructure investment but I am warming to it. However, I really like the idea of nationalising the railways, and I'm very supportive of where Labour stand on education and health, and couldn't agree more with Corbyn on foreign and defence policy which is pragmatic and promotes peace. I also think Corbyn is the man to handle the Brexit negotiations as he's doesn't have any great love of the European institutions but isn't an isolationist and wants to see international peace and cooperation.
Posted by: Turin Machine May 26 2017, 07:04 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 26 2017, 07:59 PM)
What makes you think it's better anywhere else!
Because Jeremy and his mob won't be there with his hand in my pocket.
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 26 2017, 07:05 PM
No brexit under Corbyn.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 26 2017, 07:11 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 26 2017, 07:42 PM)
We're doomed! I'm off, I'm taking my 💰 and leaving the disaster zone.
This will happen. I get plenty of job offers from overseas. I will take one. And I will tune in to BBC and SKY each night and watch Britain crumble. And I will laugh at the fools who really thought that a trotsky terrorist sympathsing firebrand with no basic grasp of economics was the answer to Britains problems. Oh and Diane Abbott.😂 I may add Im no fan of May or the Conservatives either. Just wished we had an alternative to the cr@p on offer.
Posted by: newres May 26 2017, 07:13 PM
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 26 2017, 08:00 PM)
I liked the guy right out of the box for his integrity and values, though I'm a Liberal rather than a natural socialist and was really quite concerned that he'd champion a meddlesome interventionist economic policy. In truth I'm still a little sceptical about the promised infrastructure investment but I am warming to it. However, I really like the idea of nationalising the railways, and I'm very supportive of where Labour stand on education and health, and couldn't agree more with Corbyn on foreign and defence policy which is pragmatic and promotes peace. I also think Corbyn is the man to handle the Brexit negotiations as he's doesn't have any great love of the European institutions but isn't an isolationist and wants to see international peace and cooperation.
Today I made my mind up that I want Labour to win. I'm naturally Labour but even in the 80s Corbyn was extreme. I lived in Islington in his heyday and remember seeing him at a student protest. I think he is just what we need now. I will vote Lib Dem (pointless voting Labour here).
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 26 2017, 07:28 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2017, 08:11 PM)
This will happen. I get plenty of job offers from overseas. I will take one. And I will tune in to BBC and SKY each night and watch Britain crumble. And I will laugh at the fools who really thought that a trotsky terrorist sympathsing firebrand with no basic grasp of economics was the answer to Britains problems. Oh and Diane Abbott.😂 I may add Im no fan of May or the Conservatives either. Just wished we had an alternative to the cr@p on offer.
Diane Abbott. 😂😂😂
Posted by: Turin Machine May 26 2017, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 26 2017, 08:28 PM)
Diane Abbott. 😂😂😂
2 + 2 = 5, no, when I left the office it was 3. 🤗 Comedy gold.
Did you see her at the police confederation? So impressed they didn't clap, didn't boo, just sat, in silence. She was so confused she tried to walk of the wrong side of the stage. Home Secretary my ****.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 26 2017, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2017, 08:13 PM)
Today I made my mind up that I want Labour to win. I'm naturally Labour but even in the 80s Corbyn was extreme. I lived in Islington in his heyday and remember seeing him at a student protest. I think he is just what we need now. I will vote Lib Dem (pointless voting Labour here).
Today? Give me a break. You have been wearing a red badge on this forum for months.
Posted by: Simon Kirby May 26 2017, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2017, 06:19 PM)
He will bring you. Inflation. Strikes. Mass immigartion. Diane Abbott. A pound that wont be worth a Euro. Riots. And mass unemployment.
I think you're wrong, but I do understand where you're coming from. I was born in '66 so I just about remember the three-day-week, Red Robbo, candles, and the strikes of the grave diggers, lorry drivers, and bin men. However, to dump all of what was hateful about the seventies onto the Labour government and then suggest that a Corbyn government would have history repeat itself is too simplistic. It's really difficult to make much comparison at all between the social and economic situation in the seventies and that of today, and pretty difficult too to make a meaningful comparison between the politics of the seventies and now.
Posted by: Turin Machine May 26 2017, 07:38 PM
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 26 2017, 08:36 PM)
I think you're wrong, but I do understand where you're coming from. I was born in '66 so I just about remember the three-day-week, Red Robbo, candles, and the strikes of the grave diggers, lorry drivers, and bin men. However, to dump all of what was hateful about the seventies onto the Labour government and then suggest that a Corbyn government would have history repeat itself is too simplistic. It's really difficult to make much comparison at all between the social and economic situation in the seventies and that of today, and pretty difficult too to make a meaningful comparison between the politics of the seventies and now.
I was trying to earn a living through all that, **** personified. It'll happen again. Guaranteed.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 26 2017, 07:46 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 26 2017, 08:36 PM)
2 + 2 = 5, no, when I left the office it was 3. 🤗 Comedy gold.
Did you see her at the police confederation? So impressed they didn't clap, didn't boo, just sat, in silence. She was so confused she tried to walk of the wrong side of the stage. Home Secretary my ****.
Did you see her at the police confederation? So impressed they didn't clap, didn't boo, just sat, in silence. She was so confused she tried to walk of the wrong side of the stage. Home Secretary my ****.
"White people love playing divide and rule".. Thats ok. Nothing to see here.
"Most suicide bombers are Islamic". Racist scum.
The first statement is inaccurate and is attributed to Ms Abbot.
The second statement is not. Just a fact.
But what would you be pilloried for by the lib left pc police?
Posted by: newres May 26 2017, 07:53 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2017, 08:36 PM)
Today? Give me a break. You have been wearing a red badge on this forum for months.
Wrong. I would never have imagined I would vote for Labour led by Corbyn. I still think he is no friend of small businesses and I run a small business. I think however that he can't be worse than a hard Brexit. Add to that his foreign policy, health and education and I think he's the best option.
Posted by: newres May 26 2017, 07:58 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2017, 08:46 PM)
"White people love playing divide and rule".. Thats ok. Nothing to see here.
"Most suicide bombers are Islamic". Racist scum.
The first statement is inaccurate and is attributed to Ms Abbot.
The second statement is not. Just a fact.
But what would you be pilloried for by the lib left pc police?
"Most suicide bombers are Islamic". Racist scum.
The first statement is inaccurate and is attributed to Ms Abbot.
The second statement is not. Just a fact.
But what would you be pilloried for by the lib left pc police?
No one would say it's racist to say most suicide bombers are Muslim. However to say most Muslims support suicide bombers might be at best be considered as stupid.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 26 2017, 08:00 PM
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2017, 08:53 PM)
Wrong. I would never have imagined I would vote for Labour led by Corbyn. I still think he is no friend of small businesses and I run a small business. I think however that he can't be worse than a hard Brexit. Add to that his foreign policy, health and education and I think he's the best option.
A business??? Corbyn??? I can't stop laughing. 😂😂😂
You are voting to flush it down the 🚽
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 26 2017, 08:00 PM
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2017, 08:58 PM)
No one would say it's racist to say most suicide bombers are Muslim. However to say most Muslims support suicide bombers might be at best be considered as stupid.
Who said that?
Posted by: newres May 26 2017, 08:05 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2017, 09:00 PM)
A business??? Corbyn??? I can't stop laughing. 😂😂😂
You are voting to flush it down the 🚽
You are voting to flush it down the 🚽
Brexit did that.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 26 2017, 08:21 PM
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2017, 09:05 PM)
Brexit did that.
Yawn.... Sorry its all Corbyns fault. Oh yes... That hasn't happened yet either. But lets start blaming him now and say the countries doomed. Oh and if he does win I demand another election as I won't like the outcome. Its my bat and ball and I'm not playing. At least 70% of the population wont have voted for him. #notmyprimeminister. 😂😂😂
Posted by: On the edge May 26 2017, 08:38 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2017, 06:19 PM)
Corbyn will win the GE. Lots of my colleagues who are normally blue are voting for him. Lunacy. They are fed up with austerity. Good luck. 8s with the bookies. Get on.
He will bring you. Inflation. Strikes. Mass immigartion. Diane Abbott. A pound that wont be worth a Euro. Riots. And mass unemployment.
And it will all be blamed on Brexit and not crazy spending.
He will bring you. Inflation. Strikes. Mass immigartion. Diane Abbott. A pound that wont be worth a Euro. Riots. And mass unemployment.
And it will all be blamed on Brexit and not crazy spending.
Really?
Isn't inflation a mechanisim where you pay more and more yet get less and less in return? Sort of like Conservative management of local government on our own doorstep?
Isn't strikes an issue where strategic employees withdraw their labour for long periods and at random times to cause hideous inconvenience?
Sort of like Conservative management of the Southern Railway franchise?
Isn't the Pound valued by international free market tests?
Sort of like the reason why the Conservatives kept us out if the Euro?
Isn't Miss Abbott an MP who says stupid things and tries to play the TV personality just to attract attention?
Sort of like a Mr Boris Jobnson MP.
Isn't the immigration figure and boarder arrangements the responsibility of the Home Secretary; who should take the rap when they spiral.
Sort of like not trusting a previous Conservative Home Secretary who presided over sky high numbers and didn't do anything about it.
Isn't mass unemployment the price of a free market; state control of employment is known to push up labour costs and makes firms inefficient.
Sort of like what successive Conservative governments have preached since modern politics started.
Know your place!
Vote Theresa for strong and sable government; yes the Conservatives are even promising new fir coats!
Posted by: newres May 26 2017, 08:42 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 26 2017, 09:21 PM)
Oh and if he does win I demand another election as I won't like the outcome.
Which ofcourse you will get and in 5 years time it's perfectly possible - nay likely - the outcome will be different.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 26 2017, 09:03 PM
QUOTE (newres @ May 26 2017, 09:42 PM)
Which ofcourse you will get and in 5 years time it's perfectly possible - nay likely - the outcome will be different.
You think he'd last 5 years?? 😂😂
When the IMF and credit rating agencies do what they do he won't make it till Christmas.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 26 2017, 09:05 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 26 2017, 09:38 PM)
Really?
Isn't inflation a mechanisim where you pay more and more yet get less and less in return? Sort of like Conservative management of local government on our own doorstep?
Isn't strikes an issue where strategic employees withdraw their labour for long periods and at random times to cause hideous inconvenience?
Sort of like Conservative management of the Southern Railway franchise?
Isn't the Pound valued by international free market tests?
Sort of like the reason why the Conservatives kept us out if the Euro?
Isn't Miss Abbott an MP who says stupid things and tries to play the TV personality just to attract attention?
Sort of like a Mr Boris Jobnson MP.
Isn't the immigration figure and boarder arrangements the responsibility of the Home Secretary; who should take the rap when they spiral.
Sort of like not trusting a previous Conservative Home Secretary who presided over sky high numbers and didn't do anything about it.
Isn't mass unemployment the price of a free market; state control of employment is known to push up labour costs and makes firms inefficient.
Sort of like what successive Conservative governments have preached since modern politics started.
Know your place!
Vote Theresa for strong and sable government; yes the Conservatives are even promising new fir coats!
Isn't inflation a mechanisim where you pay more and more yet get less and less in return? Sort of like Conservative management of local government on our own doorstep?
Isn't strikes an issue where strategic employees withdraw their labour for long periods and at random times to cause hideous inconvenience?
Sort of like Conservative management of the Southern Railway franchise?
Isn't the Pound valued by international free market tests?
Sort of like the reason why the Conservatives kept us out if the Euro?
Isn't Miss Abbott an MP who says stupid things and tries to play the TV personality just to attract attention?
Sort of like a Mr Boris Jobnson MP.
Isn't the immigration figure and boarder arrangements the responsibility of the Home Secretary; who should take the rap when they spiral.
Sort of like not trusting a previous Conservative Home Secretary who presided over sky high numbers and didn't do anything about it.
Isn't mass unemployment the price of a free market; state control of employment is known to push up labour costs and makes firms inefficient.
Sort of like what successive Conservative governments have preached since modern politics started.
Know your place!
Vote Theresa for strong and sable government; yes the Conservatives are even promising new fir coats!
As long as they are Fox fur.... 😂😂😂
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 26 2017, 11:15 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 26 2017, 09:38 PM)
Vote Theresa for strong and sable government; yes the Conservatives are even promising new fir coats!
Whilst labour guarantee you a pine overcoat. One size fits all.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 26 2017, 11:23 PM
I don't hate Corbyn, but I nearly hate May.
Posted by: newres May 27 2017, 08:31 AM
Whatever your views, it's beginning to look like one huge miscalculation. It will not be a vote for a hard Brexit which was the point.
Posted by: On the edge May 27 2017, 08:50 AM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 27 2017, 12:15 AM)
Whilst labour guarantee you a pine overcoat. One size fits all.
Just make sure your hands are rough je suis.....
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 27 2017, 09:33 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 27 2017, 09:50 AM)
Just make sure your hands are rough je suis.....
I'll just tell him that I support Hamas and the IRA. He'll give me a medal and a cabinet job.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 27 2017, 09:35 AM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 27 2017, 10:33 AM)
I'll just tell him that I support Hamas and the IRA. He'll give me a medal and a cabinet job.
You wouldn't be innumerate by any chance?
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome May 27 2017, 10:21 AM
When JC does get in his first job should be to pop over to Syria to have peace talks with those nice friendly ISIS/Daesh chaps.
Im sure his Jaw Jaw policies will go down well.
Posted by: newres May 27 2017, 10:44 AM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 27 2017, 11:21 AM)
When JC does get in his first job should be to pop over to Syria to have peace talks with those nice friendly ISIS/Daesh chaps.
Im sure his Jaw Jaw policies will go down well.
Im sure his Jaw Jaw policies will go down well.
Why would he need to talk to them? Our change of foreign policy would do the talking.
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 27 2017, 10:50 AM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 27 2017, 10:35 AM)
You wouldn't be innumerate by any chance?
No, but, I can always pretend. "Err, what's two plus two again?". Think I'll convert to Islam as well, be a shoe in for foreign secretary.
Posted by: je suis Charlie May 27 2017, 10:51 AM
QUOTE (newres @ May 27 2017, 11:44 AM)
Why would he need to talk to them? Our change of foreign policy would do the talking.
Yup, sure will. 😂 "Don't go to the terrorists, let them come to us". Err, oops!
Posted by: Simon Kirby May 27 2017, 06:56 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 27 2017, 11:51 AM)
Yup, sure will. 😂 "Don't go to the terrorists, let them come to us". Err, oops!
It was the power-vacuum created by the USA-led coalition's destabilisation of Iraq that created Daesh, that and the Wahhabi fanaticism sponsored by Saudi Arabia and supported by the CIA. A less invasive foreign policy would not have provoked such anti-western hostility.
Posted by: Turin Machine May 27 2017, 07:00 PM
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 27 2017, 07:56 PM)
It was the power-vacuum created by the USA-led coalition's destabilisation of Iraq that created Daesh, that and the Wahhabi fanaticism sponsored by Saudi Arabia and supported by the CIA. A less invasive foreign policy would not have provoked such anti-western hostility.
like invading Iraq! whoops, labour again.
Posted by: Simon Kirby May 27 2017, 08:08 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 27 2017, 08:00 PM)
like invading Iraq! whoops, labour again.
I'm not defending it, the invasion of Iraq was an appalling injustice, and Labour is now the party with the foreign policy most likely to promote international peace.
Posted by: Biker1 Jun 2 2017, 11:32 AM
Can't be arsed to to read the Labour manifesto!
Does anyone know, would Corbyn scrap HS2?
Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 2 2017, 11:48 AM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 2 2017, 12:32 PM)
Can't be arsed to to read the Labour manifesto!
Does anyone know, would Corbyn scrap HS2?
Does anyone know, would Corbyn scrap HS2?
You could always use Google.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/corbyn-promises-radical-agenda-in-leaked-labour-manifesto-2017-5
A Labour government will complete the HS2 high speed rail line from London through Birmingham to Leeds and Manchester, and then into Scotland, consulting with communities affected about the optimal route. A Labour government will invest to regenerate the local and regional economies across the whole country, so that every area gets its fair share of transport investment. A Labour government will link HS2 with other new investments, such as Crossrail of the North.
Posted by: Andy1 Jun 2 2017, 11:51 AM
So we blame US led coalitions and Blair for the problems in the Middle East. Nothing at all to do with events after World War 1, how the region was carved up and divvied out. I don't believe the US had any involvement in that.
Posted by: On the edge Jun 2 2017, 01:25 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 2 2017, 12:48 PM)
You could always use Google.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/corbyn-promises-radical-agenda-in-leaked-labour-manifesto-2017-5
A Labour government will complete the HS2 high speed rail line from London through Birmingham to Leeds and Manchester, and then into Scotland, consulting with communities affected about the optimal route. A Labour government will invest to regenerate the local and regional economies across the whole country, so that every area gets its fair share of transport investment. A Labour government will link HS2 with other new investments, such as Crossrail of the North.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/corbyn-promises-radical-agenda-in-leaked-labour-manifesto-2017-5
A Labour government will complete the HS2 high speed rail line from London through Birmingham to Leeds and Manchester, and then into Scotland, consulting with communities affected about the optimal route. A Labour government will invest to regenerate the local and regional economies across the whole country, so that every area gets its fair share of transport investment. A Labour government will link HS2 with other new investments, such as Crossrail of the North.
There you go Biker; fill yer boots
Round here with our share of the investment, we might even see the DNS lit up again, and, who knows, with Labour; Lambourn here we come!
Posted by: Biker1 Jun 2 2017, 02:04 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 2 2017, 02:25 PM)
Round here with our share of the investment, we might even see the DNS lit up again, and, who knows, with Labour; Lambourn here we come!
To both!!
Posted by: newres Jun 2 2017, 03:30 PM
QUOTE (Andy1 @ Jun 2 2017, 12:51 PM)
So we blame US led coalitions and Blair for the problems in the Middle East. Nothing at all to do with events after World War 1, how the region was carved up and divvied out. I don't believe the US had any involvement in that.
Well Libya, Syria and Iraq were pretty stable before Gulf Wars 1 & 2 and the ousting of Gaddaffi. However unpleasant those regimes were, they worked.
Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 7 2017, 11:33 PM
Did you know, jack the ripper, and Winnie the Pooh, Both have the SAME middle name? Coincidence? I think not!
Posted by: On the edge Jun 8 2017, 06:23 AM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 8 2017, 12:33 AM)
Did you know, jack the ripper, and Winnie the Pooh, Both have the SAME middle name? Coincidence? I think not!
It's quite an old fashioned one too, first became popular round here with Alfred the Grate, who was the footman responsible for keeping the fires going in the palace.
Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 8 2017, 08:15 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 8 2017, 07:23 AM)
It's quite an old fashioned one too, first became popular round here with Alfred the Grate, who was the footman responsible for keeping the fires going in the palace.
And on which he burnt the cakes.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 8 2017, 10:46 AM
I see Mr Farron was at 500/1 this morning. Well done sir.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 8 2017, 06:22 PM
Just put £500.00 on Jeremy as pm, got 18 - 1. I figure, either way I'm a winner.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 8 2017, 07:35 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 8 2017, 07:22 PM)
Just put £500.00 on Jeremy as pm, got 18 - 1. I figure, either way I'm a winner.
I have Laour seats 250 to 299 at 6s today and at the start of the election Labour over 200 seats also at 6s. Will help with the moving costs if Corbyn does win.😂🏃☀
Posted by: On the edge Jun 8 2017, 07:52 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 8 2017, 08:35 PM)
I have Laour seats 250 to 299 at 6s today and at the start of the election Labour over 200 seats also at 6s. Will help with the moving costs if Corbyn does win.😂🏃☀
Surely you'd simply relocate to your place abroad and keep what you have here for visits etc? Shouldn't be any big cost in that! A friend of mine stays in his Swiss place year round, just wife and daughter return periodically these days.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 8 2017, 07:56 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 8 2017, 08:35 PM)
I have Laour seats 250 to 299 at 6s today and at the start of the election Labour over 200 seats also at 6s. Will help with the moving costs if Corbyn does win.😂🏃☀
🤑
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 8 2017, 09:13 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 8 2017, 08:56 PM)
🤑
Looks like the worst outcome of all... Another bl00dy election soon.😮
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 8 2017, 09:20 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 8 2017, 10:13 PM)
Looks like the worst outcome of all... Another bl00dy election soon.��
Pound crashing... Winter is coming.
https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-today/6947-pound-to-euro-and-dollar-exchange-rate-election-result
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 8 2017, 09:38 PM
Hope none of you have a pension you're saving for.
Posted by: Simon Kirby Jun 8 2017, 09:41 PM
Last week I called it as "the Conservatives will win a majority, but a reduced majority".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2017-40171454 suggest that May might win 314 and Labour 266 - that's 12 seats shy of a Majority for May. That's broadly what https://yougov.co.uk/uk-general-election-2017/ were suggesting two days ago, saying Conservatives on 304 seats, Labour on 266 seats, though at close of play today they'd closed the gap to Conservatives on 302 seats, Labour on 269 seats.
http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/seatdetails.py?seat=Newbury closed the day suggesting that Benyon would win with 38,517 votes, Labour second with 8,712 votes, and Lib Dems third with 7,967 votes.
It would certainly be a surprise if Richard Benyon didn't get in so the Conservatives winning is not that interesting, but it would significantly alter the political landscape of Newbury if Labour took over from the Lib Dems as the party of opposition in local government, and a third place for the Lib Dems would make that a definite possibility.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 8 2017, 09:48 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 8 2017, 10:38 PM)
Hope none of you have a pension you're saving for.
Anyone sensible would have bought a lot of $ last week....
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 8 2017, 10:06 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 8 2017, 10:48 PM)
Anyone sensible would have bought a lot of $ last week....
Seemed a bit defeatist, wish I had now. This country's going to bleed. It won't be safe to go out. The missus has been going on about buying abroad, this may be what kicks me into gear.
Posted by: Simon Kirby Jun 8 2017, 10:15 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 8 2017, 11:06 PM)
Seemed a bit defeatist, wish I had now. This country's going to bleed. It won't be safe to go out. The missus has been going on about buying abroad, this may be what kicks me into gear.
I hear Saudi Arabia can be very pleasant.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 8 2017, 10:20 PM
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jun 8 2017, 11:15 PM)
I hear Saudi Arabia can be very pleasant.
Better than Qatar.😂
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 8 2017, 10:27 PM
QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jun 8 2017, 11:15 PM)
I hear Saudi Arabia can be very pleasant.
Better than UK under a terrorist lover.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 8 2017, 11:03 PM
Well done to Newcastle central for declaring first.
Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 8 2017, 11:17 PM
No point going anywhere else: it's shoite there too!
Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 8 2017, 11:19 PM
I think it will be monster raving swivle-eyed Tories win with a small overall majority. UKIP knuckle dragsters going back to one of the two main parties.
Posted by: newres Jun 9 2017, 04:14 AM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 8 2017, 11:06 PM)
Seemed a bit defeatist, wish I had now. This country's going to bleed. It won't be safe to go out. The missus has been going on about buying abroad, this may be what kicks me into gear.
Bye.
Posted by: On the edge Jun 9 2017, 05:54 AM
Oh well, no change in West Berkshire at all! No surprises there then.
Posted by: newres Jun 9 2017, 07:17 AM
I'd say that May has to resign as she has completely @@@@ed up. She has is damaged goods and there is no mandate to leave the single market. It wasn't quite a single issue election but it was as near as can be to one.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 9 2017, 07:23 AM
QUOTE (newres @ Jun 9 2017, 08:17 AM)
I'd say that May has to resign as she has completely @@@@ed up. She has is damaged goods and there is no mandate to leave the single market. It wasn't quite a single issue election but it was as near as can be to one.
Yep. Corbyn and co should form a government. Be great for the Country.😂
Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 9 2017, 08:21 AM
Tories and the DUP can form a simple commons majority.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 9 2017, 08:22 AM
QUOTE (newres @ Jun 9 2017, 08:17 AM)
I'd say that May has to resign as she has completely @@@@ed up. She has is damaged goods and there is no mandate to leave the single market. It wasn't quite a single issue election but it was as near as can be to one.
Corbyn should go, he gave as he said "the best he had" wasn't nearly good enough. Damaged goods.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 9 2017, 08:26 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 9 2017, 06:54 AM)
Oh well, no change in West Berkshire at all! No surprises there then.
Yup, despite you lot of misbegotten malcontents, he increased his share. "Look upon my works and despair!"
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 9 2017, 08:34 AM
Let me just remind you all, "no deals, we will only govern as the outright winner" let's see how long Mr terrorist lover stands by his word!
Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 9 2017, 08:53 AM
Trying to look for positives from which (for me) was a verrry long night, St Jeremy lost and, for me the most satisfying part of all, nick clegg AND Alex Salmond both ended up sucking the 🍋. Ha! So that's all right. I can live with the rest. Off to look at some new cars tomorrow to cheer myself up. Usually works.
Posted by: On the edge Jun 9 2017, 09:41 AM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 9 2017, 09:26 AM)
Yup, despite you lot of misbegotten malcontents, he increased his share. "Look upon my works and despair!"
He did indeed.
All is well. all together now, 'The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate, He made them high and lowly and ordered their estate'.
Pay no heed to the morrow, you can't take it with you.
Enjoy.
Posted by: On the edge Jun 9 2017, 09:46 AM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 9 2017, 09:53 AM)
Trying to look for positives from which (for me) was a verrry long night, St Jeremy lost and, for me the most satisfying part of all, nick clegg AND Alex Salmond both ended up sucking the 🍋. Ha! So that's all right. I can live with the rest. Off to look at some new cars tomorrow to cheer myself up. Usually works.
There you go then, cash in a bit more of the pension pot TM and enjoy it whilst you still have the requisite faculties!
Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 9 2017, 10:26 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 9 2017, 10:46 AM)
There you go then, cash in a bit more of the pension pot TM and enjoy it whilst you still have the requisite faculties!
The pension pot is sacred! No, have to come out of savings. That's what they're there for, these little treats.
Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 9 2017, 10:28 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 9 2017, 10:41 AM)
He did indeed.
All is well. all together now, 'The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate, He made them high and lowly and ordered their estate'.
Pay no heed to the morrow, you can't take it with you.
Enjoy.
All is well. all together now, 'The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate, He made them high and lowly and ordered their estate'.
Pay no heed to the morrow, you can't take it with you.
Enjoy.
I do love a nice quote, quite right, can't take it with you. Maybe the wife would like a new car as well? Have to ask her.💡
Posted by: On the edge Jun 9 2017, 12:02 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 9 2017, 11:28 AM)
I do love a nice quote, quite right, can't take it with you. Maybe the wife would like a new car as well? Have to ask her.💡
She must be relieved she's not moving...for a few months yet eh?
Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 9 2017, 12:09 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 9 2017, 01:02 PM)
She must be relieved she's not moving...for a few months yet eh?
That's OK, time for her to do some packing, anyway Obviam novus princeps, idem vetus amet. 😎
Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 9 2017, 12:55 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 9 2017, 09:34 AM)
Let me just remind you all, "no deals, we will only govern as the outright winner" let's see how long Mr terrorist lover stands by his word!
Let's see also who lasts longest as party leader! Corbyn will grow in confidence at PMQs
Posted by: blackdog Jun 9 2017, 01:14 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 8 2017, 11:27 PM)
Better than UK under a terrorist lover.
Terrorists (former of course) in power now.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup
Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 9 2017, 01:17 PM
QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 9 2017, 02:14 PM)
Terrorists (former of course) in power now.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup
https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup
Should be some old friends there for Jeremy to chat to. 😏
Posted by: blackdog Jun 9 2017, 01:21 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 9 2017, 09:34 AM)
Let me just remind you all, "no deals, we will only govern as the outright winner" let's see how long Mr terrorist lover stands by his word!
I can't see that he has any option but to stand by those words. Meanwhile May will forget her own words:
“The cold hard fact is that if I lose just six seats I will lose this election and Jeremy Corbyn will be sitting down to negotiate with the presidents, prime ministers and chancellors of Europe” - Theresa May, 20 May 2017
Next election in October?
Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 9 2017, 03:00 PM
Best thing about last night? Lord Bucket head! Brilliant.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 9 2017, 04:00 PM
Laugh?
"Key takeaways from the MRLP’s manifesto include suggestions that all taxpayers receive Nectar Points [store card points] from HMRC [tax office], replacing the Trident nuclear missile program with a three-pronged fork, and proposed changing the English “three lions” symbol to three badgers: “How often do you see lions running round the countryside?”
"Perhaps his strongest pledge: “ We will nationalise crime to make sure it doesn’t pay.”
🙌🙌🙌
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 9 2017, 05:13 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 9 2017, 05:00 PM)
Laugh?
"Key takeaways from the MRLP’s manifesto include suggestions that all taxpayers receive Nectar Points [store card points] from HMRC [tax office], replacing the Trident nuclear missile program with a three-pronged fork, and proposed changing the English “three lions” symbol to three badgers: “How often do you see lions running round the countryside?”
"Perhaps his strongest pledge: “ We will nationalise crime to make sure it doesn’t pay.”
🙌🙌🙌
"Key takeaways from the MRLP’s manifesto include suggestions that all taxpayers receive Nectar Points [store card points] from HMRC [tax office], replacing the Trident nuclear missile program with a three-pronged fork, and proposed changing the English “three lions” symbol to three badgers: “How often do you see lions running round the countryside?”
"Perhaps his strongest pledge: “ We will nationalise crime to make sure it doesn’t pay.”
🙌🙌🙌
Sounds more sensible than JCs manifesto. I wished he'd got 30 more votes and had governed for a year. That would have been funny. May should have resigned and let JC free. Would have been so funny!!
Posted by: On the edge Jun 9 2017, 06:11 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 9 2017, 05:00 PM)
Laugh?
"Key takeaways from the MRLP’s manifesto include suggestions that all taxpayers receive Nectar Points [store card points] from HMRC [tax office], replacing the Trident nuclear missile program with a three-pronged fork, and proposed changing the English “three lions” symbol to three badgers: “How often do you see lions running round the countryside?”
"Perhaps his strongest pledge: “ We will nationalise crime to make sure it doesn’t pay.”
🙌🙌🙌
"Key takeaways from the MRLP’s manifesto include suggestions that all taxpayers receive Nectar Points [store card points] from HMRC [tax office], replacing the Trident nuclear missile program with a three-pronged fork, and proposed changing the English “three lions” symbol to three badgers: “How often do you see lions running round the countryside?”
"Perhaps his strongest pledge: “ We will nationalise crime to make sure it doesn’t pay.”
🙌🙌🙌
Love it! Particularly the last pledge; of course, they'll have to reverse the Tory privatisation! Just appoint Sir Phil Green as Head, that will do it.
Posted by: On the edge Jun 9 2017, 06:13 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 9 2017, 06:13 PM)
Sounds more sensible than JCs manifesto. I wished he'd got 30 more votes and had governed for a year. That would have been funny. May should have resigned and let JC free. Would have been so funny!!
You woukdn't have been in the Country to enjoy it; so why spoil our fun?
Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 9 2017, 06:18 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 9 2017, 04:00 PM)
Best thing about last night? Lord Bucket head! Brilliant.
15. Free bike for everyone, to help combat obesity, traffic congestion and bike theft!
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 9 2017, 06:34 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 9 2017, 07:13 PM)
You woukdn't have been in the Country to enjoy it; so why spoil our fun?
Yep. Still going. Countries fooked. See Lilly Allen is outside downing street with a load of other numpties. I predict a riot. Our way or the highway. Thats the lefty way. And democracy? No one seems to realise that May was a disaster and still recorded one of the highest percentage of Tory votes at a GE ever. JC will get in soon. You just have a bit more time now to plan an exit.
Posted by: On the edge Jun 9 2017, 07:55 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 9 2017, 07:34 PM)
Yep. Still going. Countries fooked. See Lilly Allen is outside downing street with a load of other numpties. I predict a riot. Our way or the highway. Thats the lefty way. And democracy? No one seems to realise that May was a disaster and still recorded one of the highest percentage of Tory votes at a GE ever. JC will get in soon. You just have a bit more time now to plan an exit.
Just a thought.
After hearing certain 'high' Tory responses, it's pretty clear that TM is roundly disliked and indeed that feeling is by no means new. I'm far from convinced she took the decision to go to the Country all on her own. It wasn't particularly sensible idea and any student of political history will tell you that past experience on PMs doing this generally results in disaster. Tory high command always take a long view, so I smell a rat here. To me, this whole affair is beginning to look like a deliberate own goal by the party's central powers.
Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 9 2017, 08:19 PM
Listening to some Tories, I believe getting May in charge was an act of sabotage.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 9 2017, 08:30 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 9 2017, 09:19 PM)
Listening to some Tories, I believe getting May in charge was an act of sabotage.
Yep. Remainers. Dark art. She was useless. Gotta go. Isabel Oakshott for me. She should become an MP. At least she seems to be normal. And very pretty.😂
Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 9 2017, 09:32 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 9 2017, 08:55 PM)
Just a thought.
After hearing certain 'high' Tory responses, it's pretty clear that TM is roundly disliked and indeed that feeling is by no means new. I'm far from convinced she took the decision to go to the Country all on her own. It wasn't particularly sensible idea and any student of political history will tell you that past experience on PMs doing this generally results in disaster. Tory high command always take a long view, so I smell a rat here. To me, this whole affair is beginning to look like a deliberate own goal by the party's central powers.
After hearing certain 'high' Tory responses, it's pretty clear that TM is roundly disliked and indeed that feeling is by no means new. I'm far from convinced she took the decision to go to the Country all on her own. It wasn't particularly sensible idea and any student of political history will tell you that past experience on PMs doing this generally results in disaster. Tory high command always take a long view, so I smell a rat here. To me, this whole affair is beginning to look like a deliberate own goal by the party's central powers.
I quite like her, but she as to go, let the dust settles and slip her out the back door. What we need is a young figurehead, someone who can talk to the young without talking down to them. Sort of "Yo! Bro, stop dissin da Tories man" sort of thing.
Posted by: On the edge Jun 10 2017, 05:30 AM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 9 2017, 09:30 PM)
Yep. Remainers. Dark art. She was useless. Gotta go. Isabel Oakshott for me. She should become an MP. At least she seems to be normal. And very pretty.😂
Would it not be better to have someone who wasn't part of the problem?
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 10 2017, 05:56 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 10 2017, 06:30 AM)
Would it not be better to have someone who wasn't part of the problem?
Suggestions???
Posted by: On the edge Jun 10 2017, 10:17 AM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 10 2017, 06:56 AM)
Suggestions???
If Tory party had any credibility at all, they'll keep the one they've got. Does anyone honestly believe that Theresa May was totally and solely responsible for calling the election and the campaign decisions? And that they the other senior MPs simply stood by and said nothing even though they were dead against what she was doing! Because, if that has even a smattering of truth in it, these people are not competent to run a parish council, let alone the country.
Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 10 2017, 11:13 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 10 2017, 11:17 AM)
If Tory party had any credibility at all, they'll keep the one they've got. Does anyone honestly believe that Theresa May was totally and solely responsible for calling the election and the campaign decisions? And that they the other senior MPs simply stood by and said nothing even though they were dead against what she was doing! Because, if that has even a smattering of truth in it, these people are not competent to run a parish council, let alone the country.
Or negotiate Brexit.
Posted by: blackdog Jun 10 2017, 02:17 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 9 2017, 02:17 PM)
Should be some old friends there for Jeremy to chat to. 😏
They think Jeremy is in league with the devil - wouldn't been seen dead talking to him. Which really is a negative for Jeremy - when he was talking to the IRA he shuold have been talking to the UDA as well.
Posted by: blackdog Jun 10 2017, 02:23 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 9 2017, 07:34 PM)
Yep. Still going. Countries fooked. See Lilly Allen is outside downing street with a load of other numpties. I predict a riot. Our way or the highway. Thats the lefty way. And democracy? No one seems to realise that May was a disaster and still recorded one of the highest percentage of Tory votes at a GE ever. JC will get in soon. You just have a bit more time now to plan an exit.
High in modern times but a long way from the highest ever (Baldwin, for instance, got 55% - a proper majority). Corbyn also got a high percentage - it's far more reminiscent of elections pre-Thatcher.
May will go because she ran a dreadful campaign - the decision to call an election is now seen as a disaster, but it was the way they cocked up the campaign that was the real disaster, it's almost as if they wanted to lose.
Posted by: blackdog Jun 10 2017, 02:28 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 10 2017, 11:17 AM)
If Tory party had any credibility at all, they'll keep the one they've got. Does anyone honestly believe that Theresa May was totally and solely responsible for calling the election and the campaign decisions? And that they the other senior MPs simply stood by and said nothing even though they were dead against what she was doing! Because, if that has even a smattering of truth in it, these people are not competent to run a parish council, let alone the country.
May will go because she has demonstrated her inability to lead an election campaign - like it or not you have to have a media savvy leader these days. And she will have to go soon in case the DUP loonies drop the Tories in it and they have to call another election.
Posted by: On the edge Jun 10 2017, 07:12 PM
QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 10 2017, 03:28 PM)
May will go because she has demonstrated her inability to lead an election campaign - like it or not you have to have a media savvy leader these days. And she will have to go soon in case the DUP loonies drop the Tories in it and they have to call another election.
But how does that explain Jeremy Corbyn? His peer MPs loathe him, his media coverage was demonstrably biased, key supporters (Ms A) were shown up as badly lacking and in spite of criticisim stuck rigidly to his principles. However, by all accounts, he's strongly supported and esteemed by the party activists.
Similarly, the LibDems are building back strength under someone with very limited charisma, even with his apparently media savvy predecessor sh****** on the deck whenever he had the opportunity.
I'd agree, that superficially it would look like TM is damaged, but really, it's party inflicted. And again, it beggars belief that Mrs May and her private team ran the campaign. Shure, she threw the majority, but all she's really done is a Stanley Baldwin.
My take is that the Tories would be far better advised to put their collars up and turn their backs to the wind. What's happened may well be the best thing for both nation and party in the longer term.
Posted by: newres Jun 10 2017, 08:29 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 10 2017, 08:12 PM)
But how does that explain Jeremy Corbyn? His peer MPs loathe him, his media coverage was demonstrably biased, key supporters (Ms A) were shown up as badly lacking and in spite of criticisim stuck rigidly to his principles. However, by all accounts, he's strongly supported and esteemed by the party activists.
Similarly, the LibDems are building back strength under someone with very limited charisma, even with his apparently media savvy predecessor sh****** on the deck whenever he had the opportunity.
I'd agree, that superficially it would look like TM is damaged, but really, it's party inflicted. And again, it beggars belief that Mrs May and her private team ran the campaign. Shure, she threw the majority, but all she's really done is a Stanley Baldwin.
My take is that the Tories would be far better advised to put their collars up and turn their backs to the wind. What's happened may well be the best thing for both nation and party in the longer term.
Similarly, the LibDems are building back strength under someone with very limited charisma, even with his apparently media savvy predecessor sh****** on the deck whenever he had the opportunity.
I'd agree, that superficially it would look like TM is damaged, but really, it's party inflicted. And again, it beggars belief that Mrs May and her private team ran the campaign. Shure, she threw the majority, but all she's really done is a Stanley Baldwin.
My take is that the Tories would be far better advised to put their collars up and turn their backs to the wind. What's happened may well be the best thing for both nation and party in the longer term.
I think that last paragraph is very probably correct.
Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 10 2017, 09:30 PM
Nah, the Tories have exposed how hopeless they are. They have nothing, not even a good liar.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 10 2017, 09:33 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 10 2017, 10:30 PM)
Nah, the Tories have exposed how hopeless they are. They have nothing, not even a good liar.
Let's not forget who won.
Posted by: newres Jun 10 2017, 09:37 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 10 2017, 10:33 PM)
Let's not forget who won.
Well they had the most seats but they lost their majority and are propped up by a bunch of nutty creationists. A bit like Labour using Sinn Fein. Total hypocrisy.
Posted by: On the edge Jun 10 2017, 09:44 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 10 2017, 10:33 PM)
Let's not forget who won.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 10 2017, 09:51 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Jun 10 2017, 10:37 PM)
Well they had the most seats but they lost their majority and are propped up by a bunch of nutty creationists. A bit like Labour using Sinn Fein. Total hypocrisy.
Still won though, 60 seats.
Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 10 2017, 11:14 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 10 2017, 10:33 PM)
Let's not forget who won.
They won more seats, but lost their overall majority. They have now called several elections for reasons of party vanity. They don't deserve to be in power; they are wrecking the country. W*nkers.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 10 2017, 11:33 PM
Winner, winner, chicken dinner. 😂
Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 06:10 AM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 11 2017, 12:33 AM)
Winner, winner, chicken dinner. 😂
Yes, she won. So her enjoy the victors spoils and form a Government, she won, so she won't need any tawdry pacts or shabby coalitions. I agree Je Suis, she should go it alone, the winner as winner will have the respect of the other parties. Yes, a win is something to celebrate......
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 06:34 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 07:10 AM)
Yes, she won. So her enjoy the victors spoils and form a Government, she won, so she won't need any tawdry pacts or shabby coalitions. I agree Je Suis, she should go it alone, the winner as winner will have the respect of the other parties. Yes, a win is something to celebrate......
We need another election. Now. I want JC to win. This would be the best result for the Country. Within 2 years he would be gone and Labour sank without trace. May should do the decent thing.
Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 06:41 AM
Magnanimous in victory, our winning PM is straight into talks with Ulsters DUP. At long last, this provincial guardian of true Tory values will join hands with the main party and we'll be able to rid ourselves of the trendy Wendy right on thinking that has adversly affected Conservative policy for at least a decade. Rejoice, Rejoice.
Posted by: newres Jun 11 2017, 07:07 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 07:41 AM)
Magnanimous in victory, our winning PM is straight into talks with Ulsters DUP. At long last, this provincial guardian of true Tory values will join hands with the main party and we'll be able to rid ourselves of the trendy Wendy right on thinking that has adversly affected Conservative policy for at least a decade. Rejoice, Rejoice.
Our nutters on here love it. Imagine the outrage if Labour formed a coalition with the SNP, much less Sinn Fein. The difference is the UDR are "our" terrorists. Even if they targeted people because of their religion. Remind you of anyone?
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 07:13 AM
QUOTE (newres @ Jun 11 2017, 08:07 AM)
Our nutters on here love it. Imagine the outrage if Labour formed a coalition with the SNP, much less Sinn Fein. The difference is the UDR are "our" terrorists. Even if they targeted people because of their religion. Remind you of anyone?
Calm down dear. I dont think May should be doing any deals with the UDR. I think we should have another election. Hopefully someone will then get a mandate. May should resign. Another Tory leader. Corbyn v whoever. Corbyn could then get in and I could sit back and watch the entertainment. Be sooo funny....
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 11 2017, 09:01 AM
QUOTE (newres @ Jun 11 2017, 08:07 AM)
Our nutters on here love it. Imagine the outrage if Labour formed a coalition with the SNP, much less Sinn Fein. The difference is the UDR are "our" terrorists. Even if they targeted people because of their religion. Remind you of anyone?
What's the problem? You got what you voted for, a country run by a government with terrorist connections. End of problem.
Posted by: newres Jun 11 2017, 09:55 AM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 11 2017, 10:01 AM)
What's the problem? You got what you voted for, a country run by a government with terrorist connections. End of problem.
I find it interesting that you're cool with it. Ok as long as they are slaughtering catholics?
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 10:09 AM
QUOTE (newres @ Jun 11 2017, 10:55 AM)
I find it interesting that you're cool with it. Ok as long as they are slaughtering catholics?
What a wally you are newres.
Posted by: newres Jun 11 2017, 10:16 AM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2017, 11:09 AM)
What a wally you are newres.
Tell me why that is? Je suis accepts that the UDP's have terrorist connections but he doesn't mind yet his moniker is a reference to his feelings about Muslim terrorists. Odd? No??
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 11 2017, 11:26 AM
QUOTE (newres @ Jun 11 2017, 11:16 AM)
Tell me why that is? Je suis accepts that the UDP's have terrorist connections but he doesn't mind yet his moniker is a reference to his feelings about Muslim terrorists. Odd? No??
Try reading this, or if it's too big, get someone to read it for you.
https://order-order.com/2017/06/08/100-times-jeremy-corbyn-sided-terrorists/?utm_source=Guy+Fawkes%27+Blog+List&utm_campaign=863c9b603b-Saturday+7-Up&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_547885726c-863c9b603b-229990137
Posted by: newres Jun 11 2017, 11:37 AM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 11 2017, 12:26 PM)
Try reading this, or if it's too big, get someone to read it for you.
https://order-order.com/2017/06/08/100-times-jeremy-corbyn-sided-terrorists/?utm_source=Guy+Fawkes%27+Blog+List&utm_campaign=863c9b603b-Saturday+7-Up&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_547885726c-863c9b603b-229990137
https://order-order.com/2017/06/08/100-times-jeremy-corbyn-sided-terrorists/?utm_source=Guy+Fawkes%27+Blog+List&utm_campaign=863c9b603b-Saturday+7-Up&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_547885726c-863c9b603b-229990137
I'm not doubting he was sympathetic to the Irish republicans. I don't think that's really in doubt. So am I. The issue is your hypocrisy.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 11:40 AM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 11 2017, 12:26 PM)
Try reading this, or if it's too big, get someone to read it for you.
https://order-order.com/2017/06/08/100-times-jeremy-corbyn-sided-terrorists/?utm_source=Guy+Fawkes%27+Blog+List&utm_campaign=863c9b603b-Saturday+7-Up&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_547885726c-863c9b603b-229990137
https://order-order.com/2017/06/08/100-times-jeremy-corbyn-sided-terrorists/?utm_source=Guy+Fawkes%27+Blog+List&utm_campaign=863c9b603b-Saturday+7-Up&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_547885726c-863c9b603b-229990137
Nah.. JC is a god. All hail JC. He is without doubt the most wonderful human being ever. I am actually looking forward to his government. It is going to be so funny. Watching all the youngsters see the dreams they have crumble and die. No life experience. No idea.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 11 2017, 12:02 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Jun 11 2017, 12:37 PM)
I'm not doubting he was sympathetic to the Irish republicans. I don't think that's really in doubt. So am I. The issue is your hypocrisy.
Yeah, I could lead the labour party.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 12:19 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 11 2017, 01:02 PM)
Yeah, I could lead the labour party.
Fundamentally anyone could. Give everyone what they want. And stuff the consequences.
Posted by: newres Jun 11 2017, 12:21 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2017, 01:19 PM)
Fundamentally anyone could. Give everyone what they want. And stuff the consequences.
As opposed to giving the right wing nut jobs want they want and stuff the consequences.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 12:23 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Jun 11 2017, 01:21 PM)
As opposed to giving the right wing nut jobs want they want and stuff the consequences.
One question. Do you think Corbys economic policies are credible?
What do you think will happen if he implements them?
Please educate me.😂
Posted by: newres Jun 11 2017, 12:42 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2017, 01:23 PM)
One question. Do you think Corbys economic policies are credible?
What do you think will happen if he implements them?
Please educate me.😂
What do you think will happen if he implements them?
Please educate me.😂
What were they? Talk me through them.
Posted by: Exhausted Jun 11 2017, 12:44 PM
If you are the opposition with not much chance of winning then make all sorts of promises which as a government you could not possibly keep. It doesn't matter because on the day, you can continue to say we would have done all these things to make life lovely for the infirm, the young and the low income tax payers. You will if you are just credible, increase your majority and be able to make the electorate believe in you for the next round of voting, sooner or later.
As the party who will probably win, you can't make promises you can't keep unless they are little ones that won't damage your credibility when you do a U turn. However, it doesn't mean that you should run a crap campaign.
Personally, even as a Tory voter I got so P1ssed off hearing TM at her low turnout bashes, continually bleating on about a hard brexit, whatever that is and her me me me attitude.
JC really cranked it up at the end.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 11 2017, 01:00 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Jun 11 2017, 01:42 PM)
What were they? Talk me through them.
😴
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 01:11 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Jun 11 2017, 01:42 PM)
What were they? Talk me through them.
Do you not know? You are his biggest fan
Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 01:55 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2017, 01:23 PM)
One question. Do you think Corbys economic policies are credible?
What do you think will happen if he implements them?
Please educate me.��
What do you think will happen if he implements them?
Please educate me.��
Yes, just as much as its credible for youngsters who have a mortgage take out more credit to buy furniture. What would happen if they were implemented, well, we woukdn't need so many overseas immigrants to bolster the NHS because we'd have trained our home people. Similarly, we'd have less need to rely on overseas IT expertise because we'd be training our own. Just two examples which would reduce university costs because companies would be encouraged to train their own workers. Far fewer complaints about lack of homes because there would be strong house market with fair prices regulated by an equally strong rented sector with fair rents. Cheaper energy bills but comfortable heating / cooling centred on an integrated sustainable energy approach....,, could go on and on but haven't got all afternoon.
Who pays? Better management of public spending as mentioned above. Diversion of funds from traditional but wholly outdated defence. Eliminating rat holes in taxation legislation and better drafted rules, etc.etc.etc.
Europe? What's wrong with putting our baseball bat down and trying to have the debate with EU Cameron was supposed to have had before the referendum? We already know Germany is up for reform..
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 11 2017, 02:00 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 02:55 PM)
Yes, just as much as its credible for youngsters who have a mortgage take out more credit to buy furniture. What would happen if they were implemented, well, we woukdn't need so many overseas immigrants to bolster the NHS because we'd have trained our home people. Similarly, we'd have less need to rely on overseas IT expertise because we'd be training our own. Just two examples which would reduce university costs because companies would be encouraged to train their own workers. Far fewer complaints about lack of homes because there would be strong house market with fair prices regulated by an equally strong rented sector with fair rents. Cheaper energy bills but comfortable heating / cooling centred on an integrated sustainable energy approach....,, could go on and on but haven't got all afternoon.
Paid for with what? I haven't read a single unbiased economist who has said it's achievable in its current form.
Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 02:06 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 11 2017, 03:00 PM)
Paid for with what? I haven't read a single unbiased economist who has said it's achievable in its current form.
See the edits.
Economists, like the Queen, I haven't met one who predicted the financial crash; biased or otherwise. Two, good and famous economic pundits would have supported it though, FDR and Maynard Keynes. Admittedly, they didn't have the accumulated wisdom of Liverpool John Moores!
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 02:19 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 03:06 PM)
See the edits.
Economists, like the Queen, I haven't met one who predicted the financial crash; biased or otherwise. Two, good and famous economic pundits would have supported it though, FDR and Maynard Keynes. Admittedly, they didn't have the accumulated wisdom of Liverpool John Moores!
Economists, like the Queen, I haven't met one who predicted the financial crash; biased or otherwise. Two, good and famous economic pundits would have supported it though, FDR and Maynard Keynes. Admittedly, they didn't have the accumulated wisdom of Liverpool John Moores!
The Country has lost the plot. Its going to end in tears. The tears of the British people.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 11 2017, 02:19 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 03:06 PM)
See the edits.
Economists, like the Queen, I haven't met one who predicted the financial crash; biased or otherwise. Two, good and famous economic pundits would have supported it though, FDR and Maynard Keynes. Admittedly, they didn't have the accumulated wisdom of Liverpool John Moores!
Economists, like the Queen, I haven't met one who predicted the financial crash; biased or otherwise. Two, good and famous economic pundits would have supported it though, FDR and Maynard Keynes. Admittedly, they didn't have the accumulated wisdom of Liverpool John Moores!
Like many others I've seen all this before, tax n spend. Ends up with massive borrowing, a stifled economy and rioting when people see it's not working and turn their anger inwards. Nothing (new) to see here, move along.
Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 02:26 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 11 2017, 03:19 PM)
Like many others I've seen all this before, tax n spend. Ends up with massive borrowing, a stifled economy and rioting when people see it's not working and turn their anger inwards. Nothing (new) to see here, move along.
Ah, so no real answer then, at least you are consistent.
Of course, we didn't have people taking to the streets and rioting when Mrs Thatcher was PM did we? Sure, she gave nice Tory Mr Major a good economy but he simply squittered it away. So, yes, I agree, like the many others I've seen it all before.
Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 02:30 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2017, 03:19 PM)
The Country has lost the plot. Its going to end in tears. The tears of the British people.
Yes, it has, but it nearly got it right. So when we have another election in a few months time, people won't be so scared of JC and we'll be set fair again.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 11 2017, 02:39 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 03:30 PM)
Yes, it has, but it nearly got it right. So when we have another election in a few months time, people won't be so scared of JC and we'll be set fair again.
My last post as you fail to be convinced and, as I see it the end is nigh anyway. Its only a matter of months before the new Messiah strides down Whitehall with his disciples and acolytes spreading rose petals under his all conquering feet. But come back in eight years, when it's all gone wrong, when the shine has worn off, when the music is offkey because the ensuing chaos will be nothing like we have seen before and will rupture the social fabric of this country in a way that will astonish you. In the end you will get, on your hands and knees for someone, anyone to get you out of the mess you are creating for yourself.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 02:51 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 11 2017, 03:39 PM)
My last post as you fail to be convinced and, as I see it the end is nigh anyway. Its only a matter of months before the new Messiah strides down Whitehall with his disciples and acolytes spreading rose petals under his all conquering feet. But come back in eight years, when it's all gone wrong, when the shine has worn off, when the music is offkey because the ensuing chaos will be nothing like we have seen before and will rupture the social fabric of this country in a way that will astonish you. In the end you will get, on your hands and knees for someone, anyone to get you out of the mess you are creating for yourself.
8 years? 2 more like. The IMF and credit rating agencies will finish us. Fiscal responsibilty. Not for us!!!!
Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 04:57 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 11 2017, 03:39 PM)
My last post as you fail to be convinced and, as I see it the end is nigh anyway. Its only a matter of months before the new Messiah strides down Whitehall with his disciples and acolytes spreading rose petals under his all conquering feet. But come back in eight years, when it's all gone wrong, when the shine has worn off, when the music is offkey because the ensuing chaos will be nothing like we have seen before and will rupture the social fabric of this country in a way that will astonish you. In the end you will get, on your hands and knees for someone, anyone to get you out of the mess you are creating for yourself.
Not me mate, I've nothing to lose, one of the great unwashed. So, I'll be getting my handouts, sitting in my Council home, watching TV all day, meals on wheels will be back, plus I suspect the bus pass will be good for trains and taxis. Won't worry me in the slightest.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 05:10 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 05:57 PM)
Not me mate, I've nothing to lose, one of the great unwashed. So, I'll be getting my handouts, sitting in my Council home, watching TV all day, meals on wheels will be back, plus I suspect the bus pass will be good for trains and taxis. Won't worry me in the slightest.
Sounds good. Where do I sign?😂👍
Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 05:49 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2017, 06:10 PM)
Sounds good. Where do I sign?😂👍
You won't be around old son. Worth checking what welfare safety net exists where you end up. Even flipping burgers part time to eek out your existence when your UK investments have gone won't be much fun.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 06:03 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 06:49 PM)
You won't be around old son. Worth checking what welfare safety net exists where you end up. Even flipping burgers part time to eek out your existence when your UK investments have gone won't be much fun.
No worries. At least it will be warm. You will be cold and miserable. Oh and JC will FINISH the welfare state. You wont have a pot to p1ss in.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 06:07 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2017, 07:03 PM)
No worries. At least it will be warm. You will be cold and miserable. Oh and JC will FINISH the welfare state. You wont have a pot to p1ss in.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Where did you get that from, night terrors coming back TDH? A little chat with the Doc might help, before you go. Particularly if you are intending landing somewhere the old jungle juice is cheap!
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2017, 06:15 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 07:07 PM)
Where did you get that from, night terrors coming back TDH? A little chat with the Doc might help, before you go. Particularly if you are intending landing somewhere the old jungle juice is cheap!
Funny.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LADFLEG/status/873491780527960064/video/1
Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 08:37 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2017, 07:15 PM)
Funny.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LADFLEG/status/873491780527960064/video/1
https://mobile.twitter.com/LADFLEG/status/873491780527960064/video/1
Ah, see JC has a job for everyone; dear Ms Abbott would be useful there!
Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 11 2017, 08:54 PM
Dianne Abbot and Jeremy Corbyn were stuck in a lift.
She couldn't work out the numbers and he wouldn't press the button! BA boom!
Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 09:12 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 11 2017, 09:54 PM)
Dianne Abbot and Jeremy Corbyn were stuck in a lift.
She couldn't work out the numbers and he wouldn't press the button! BA boom!
She couldn't work out the numbers and he wouldn't press the button! BA boom!
Very good.
Four Tory MPs jumped into a Taxi, they saw it was Theresa May driving and she took them where she wanted to go.
Boom boom.
Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 11 2017, 09:13 PM
A Marxist, a Marxist-Leninist and a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist walked into a bar.
It was wonderful to see such variety at this year’s labour conference. 😂
Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 11 2017, 09:15 PM
How many Labour MPs does it take to change a lightbulb?
51. Or none. This is a matter for the NEC. 😋
Posted by: On the edge Jun 11 2017, 09:19 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 11 2017, 10:13 PM)
A Marxist, a Marxist-Leninist and a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist walked into a bar.
It was wonderful to see such variety at this year’s labour conference. 😂
It was wonderful to see such variety at this year’s labour conference. 😂
Nah, you've lost your touch, that one was 1963 at the latest! The year Private Eye said the Tories had elected the UKs first satirical Prime Minister.
Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 11 2017, 09:40 PM
Teacher: "The word politics - can you give me an example of how to use it?"
Pupil: "My parrot swallowed a watch and now Polly ticks!"
Posted by: On the edge Jun 12 2017, 06:10 AM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 11 2017, 10:40 PM)
Teacher: "The word politics - can you give me an example of how to use it?"
Pupil: "My parrot swallowed a watch and now Polly ticks!"
Pupil: "My parrot swallowed a watch and now Polly ticks!"
Oh very good; Turin Machine! You're hired; do you sing as well?
Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 12 2017, 08:09 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 12 2017, 07:10 AM)
Oh very good; Turin Machine! You're hired; do you sing as well?
Weddings, Bat Mitzvahs, Funerals, do anything me. Also do glove puppets? Currently doing a very good party leader on behalf of Momentum, it's not my best work though, a bit stiff and unconvincing. Still, it's fooled a lot of people. Be doing Punch and Judy on Bournemouth beach with it later this month, "I won the election" "oh no you didn't!". "oh yes I did!". "oh no you didn't!". Should go down a storm. Come down and watch, I'll send you some free tickets, you'll need all the free stuff you can get soon. 😂😂😂
Posted by: On the edge Jun 12 2017, 08:33 AM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 12 2017, 09:09 AM)
Weddings, Bat Mitzvahs, Funerals, do anything me. Also do glove puppets? Currently doing a very good party leader on behalf of Momentum, it's not my best work though, a bit stiff and unconvincing. Still, it's fooled a lot of people. Be doing Punch and Judy on Bournemouth beach with it later this month, "I won the election" "oh no you didn't!". "oh yes I did!". "oh no you didn't!". Should go down a storm. Come down and watch, I'll send you some free tickets, you'll need all the free stuff you can get soon. 😂😂😂
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