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Aug 16 2014, 07:16 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 16 2014, 08:14 AM) No they don't, but there are I suspect, even some idiots as you call them on this forum. Those who support drivers using mobile phones, or disobeying other traffic rules because of minor signage irregularities, or speeding etc. etc. You are right, though, we haven't learned the Ufton lesson yet; there is still no plan to bridge other even busier crossings in the vicinity..... I agree with your point about the bridge(s) but that aside, level crossings are perfectly safe if used correctly.
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Aug 16 2014, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 16 2014, 08:14 AM) No they don't, but there are I suspect, even some idiots as you call them on this forum. Those who support drivers using mobile phones, or disobeying other traffic rules because of minor signage irregularities, or speeding etc. etc. I support the effort to combat what I see is exploitation and erosion of justice, so if that makes me an idiot, I'm not offend.
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Aug 16 2014, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 16 2014, 11:27 AM) I support the effort to combat what I see is exploitation and erosion of justice, so if that makes me an idiot, I'm not offend. I probably fall into same category. I don't see 'level Crossing' offences as different or more dangerous than a good few others. In fact, whilst signal box visits are a nice to have for enthusiasts, and it's right to educate people about the danger of railways, Network Rail and the other responsible authorities should be doing far far more to reduce the problem. After all, when that line was designed and built, the average speed of the trains was about 50 to 60 mph, they were far fewer and being heavier, stopped in less of a distance. Plus the crossings were manned. No one but an idiot would think it a good idea to put a light controlled junction across the M4 - even though it would be cheap and if used properly safe. Why, therefore, is it a good idea to retain level crossings?
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Aug 16 2014, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 16 2014, 10:52 AM) ...Network Rail and the other responsible authorities should be doing far far more to reduce the problem. After all, when that line was designed and built, the average speed of the trains was about 50 to 60 mph, they were far fewer and being heavier, stopped in less of a distance..... Perhaps, seeing as when railways were designed and built, motorists were non existent or so incredibly sparse, that now, given the volumes of traffic, it should be the ROAD organisations that should be doing far more to reduce the problem.
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Aug 16 2014, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE (GrumblingAgain @ Aug 16 2014, 01:10 PM) Perhaps, seeing as when railways were designed and built, motorists were non existent or so incredibly sparse, that now, given the volumes of traffic, it should be the ROAD organisations that should be doing far more to reduce the problem. Yes, that's exactly the point. The 'road side' had done rather a lot; signs, special gates, emergency phones, speed limits, special road markings etc. etc.....yet the railway, @@&£! all! Railways are an intrusion, roads have been around since time immemorial.
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Aug 16 2014, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 16 2014, 08:14 AM) You are right, though, we haven't learned the Ufton lesson yet; there is still no plan to bridge other even busier crossings in the vicinity..... What's the lesson?
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Aug 16 2014, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 16 2014, 06:51 PM) What's lesson? There you go; proof positive nothing learned!
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Aug 16 2014, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 16 2014, 07:02 PM) There you go; proof positive nothing learned! Come on, what's the "Ufton lesson"?
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Aug 16 2014, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 16 2014, 07:23 PM) Come on, what's the "Ufton lesson"? You won't stop dangerous situations at level crossings and it is possible, and economic, to replace them with bridges, even on low use rural roads.
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Aug 16 2014, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 16 2014, 08:08 PM) You won't stop dangerous situations at level crossings and it is possible, and economic, to replace them with bridges, even on low use rural roads. Higher speed, quieter trains when the lines are electrified are going to make the crossings even more dangerous. Trains, pedestrians and motor vehicles do not mix comfortably. If there's a rule that can be broken, then it will be.
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Aug 17 2014, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE (Exhausted @ Aug 16 2014, 08:24 PM) Higher speed, quieter trains when the lines are electrified are going to make the crossings even more dangerous. Why? I repeat, level crossings are not dangerous, as usual it is the people that (dis)use them that are dangerous. (Hint for drivers using crossings - flashing red light means STOP! )
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