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Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 17 2017, 01:03 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-40628037

Now there are good ideas, there are bad ideas , there are silly ideas and there are downright stupid ideas, and this must surely fit very comfortably in the bloody stupid category .
Not so long ago some barmpot thought it a wheeze to bring the Red Kite back. Now the skies are full of them all circling round trying to find a meal. If you are going to encourage a top predator then make sure there is enough for them to eat without putting domestic animals at risk.
The Eurasian Lynx is a pretty big animal to have wondering about at the bottom of your garden, ( adult males can reach 100lb) , and I for one, would not like to confront it without a 12 bore under my arm.

Vaguely recollect someone wanted to introduce the wolf and the bear back into the Highlands a few years back. Thankfully this fell by the way but this proposal is in an English county so we can't even cite the independence excuse.

Posted by: newres Jul 17 2017, 01:20 PM

They aren't predators. biggrin.gif

They are carrion feeders.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 17 2017, 02:09 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jul 17 2017, 02:20 PM) *
They aren't predators. biggrin.gif

They are carrion feeders.

Try telling that to the farmers. Kites prefer carrion as they are not the most agile of birds but food is food and anyway when was the last time you saw a dead rabbit? The Lynx on the other hand prefer their meat fresh and I for one have no intention of being on the menu. wink.gif

Posted by: Andy Capp Jul 17 2017, 06:14 PM

I understand the risk to humans from Lynx introduction is small, especially when compared to domestic dogs.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 17 2017, 06:20 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 17 2017, 07:14 PM) *
I understand the risk to humans from Lynx introduction is small, especially when compared to domestic dogs.


Lions. I want Lions. Used to roam about these parts millions of years ago.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 17 2017, 07:17 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jul 17 2017, 07:14 PM) *
I understand the risk to humans from Lynx introduction is small, especially when compared to domestic dogs.


Don't get me going on dogs!!!!!
They generate enough **** every year to cover an area the size of Buckinghamshire. Not to mention the number of kids. pensioners, postmen and others that get bitten by the wretched things.Grrrrrrr angry.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 17 2017, 07:18 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 17 2017, 07:20 PM) *
Lions. I want Lions. Used to roam about these parts millions of years ago.


Thought they did quite well in New Zealand the other day.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jul 17 2017, 08:47 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 17 2017, 07:17 PM) *
Don't get me going on dogs!!!!!
They generate enough **** every year to cover an area the size of Buckinghamshire. Not to mention the number of kids. pensioners, postmen and others that get bitten by the wretched things.Grrrrrrr angry.gif

Not to mention the carnage when some daft bugger takes them for a walk without a leash through a flock of sheep! Shoot the sods! And their dogs!

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 18 2017, 11:27 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jul 17 2017, 09:47 PM) *
Not to mention the carnage when some daft bugger takes them for a walk without a leash through a flock of sheep! Shoot the sods! And their dogs!


Well the former anyway. Dogs are wolves and wolves hunt. How many times has some dumb cluck uttered the immortal words " he's never bitten us " after they have pulled it off a child. Least the Koreans eat theirs.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jul 18 2017, 04:26 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 18 2017, 11:27 AM) *
Well the former anyway. Dogs are wolves and wolves hunt. How many times has some dumb cluck uttered the immortal words " he's never bitten us " after they have pulled it off a child. Least the Koreans eat theirs.

"He's just an old snuzzle puppy, aren't you Mr wiggles". He just likes to play with them. It's not his fault!". Give em a good dose of Mr Eleys finest.

Posted by: blackdog Jul 18 2017, 07:54 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 18 2017, 12:27 PM) *
Well the former anyway. Dogs are wolves and wolves hunt. How many times has some dumb cluck uttered the immortal words " he's never bitten us " after they have pulled it off a child. Least the Koreans eat theirs.


Nothing like as dangerous as people.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 18 2017, 09:42 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Jul 18 2017, 08:54 PM) *
Nothing like as dangerous as people.


Correct. Though I'd still rather take on 1 guy than a pack of dogs. But then I have a phobia having been attacked before by an Alsatian Cross breed off the leash. I admit I cross the road if I see a staffy off the lead approaching.

Then again some dogs are lovely. Bit like people really. Some wrong uns... Especially if brought up in the wrong environment.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 19 2017, 10:22 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 18 2017, 10:42 PM) *
Correct. Though I'd still rather take on 1 guy than a pack of dogs. But then I have a phobia having been attacked before by an Alsatian Cross breed off the leash. I admit I cross the road if I see a staffy off the lead approaching.

Then again some dogs are lovely. Bit like people really. Some wrong uns... Especially if brought up in the wrong environment.


Exactly. Pack animals need a leader and in most cases they see their owner in that light. Unfortunately many breeds need a great deal of the correct discipline in order to be controllable . Because of the vast numbers of dogs roaming around , whether on a lead or feral , it has the effect of concentrating their pack mindset. I have no problem with Aunty Ethel, ( other Aunts are available ) ,having a little pooch to keep her company nor those who require dogs for work, but why oh why have a dog and leave him shut in the house all day while you are at work ?

Maybe the introduction of a few big cat species may be a positive in the control of numbers, ( of both elements ) ?

Posted by: Berkshirelad Jul 19 2017, 10:23 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jul 18 2017, 05:26 PM) *
"He's just an old snuzzle puppy, aren't you Mr wiggles". He just likes to play with them. It's not his fault!". Give em a good dose of Mr Eleys finest.


And of course, a farmer is perfectly within his rights to shoot a dog that is worrying sheep...

Posted by: blackdog Jul 19 2017, 04:39 PM

I wouldn't trust a Staffie with another animal - but, in my experience, they are about the most human friendly breed there is - unless trained otherwise. The problem with a number of breeds is the type of owner they attract.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 20 2017, 12:06 PM

I have always likened owning a pet to having a child. Most owners / parents are responsible and caring but a percentage should never be allowed to have either .
Maybe we should have a licencing system for both ?

Posted by: On the edge Jul 20 2017, 06:37 PM

I wonder if we could get some funding to bring back other long lost natural things? Bubonic plauge, rabies etc. which might actually help with some of the other issues mentioned on this thread.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jul 20 2017, 10:10 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 20 2017, 06:37 PM) *
I wonder if we could get some funding to bring back other long lost things? Bubonic plauge, rabies, the labour party etc.

Fixxored.

Posted by: On the edge Jul 21 2017, 06:17 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jul 20 2017, 11:10 PM) *
Fixxored.


Not a lot of point old son; someone has already brought it back. So for you, demonstrating even more just how dangerous such ideas are!!!!

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 21 2017, 10:44 AM

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjG6pHzlJrVAhUEbFAKHT46D7wQFgg6MAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2F2017%2F07%2F20%2Fcecil-lions-son-xanda-killed-trophy-hunter-nearhwange-national%2F&usg=AFQjCNHNo90aIav084YP5mw_2vjuR159mw

So now we know the thought process behind the original posting. Obviously the consensus being that with EU exit imminent and third world status inevitable, the need to attract overseas tourism becomes increasingly important.
What better incentive than to offer the chance to hunt and kill a large ***** cat , and I assume , stick it's head on a plank of wood and return triumphant to your urban des res .

Now one can argue to the point of exhaustion as to why, but money is money and this will give gainful employment to all those redundant bankers (sic) who need to diversify their income.

So there you are all you EU re-moaners , the answer is Felidae .

See the censor doesn't like cats either tongue.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 28 2017, 05:43 PM

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/girl-four-left-scarred-life-13397647

QED

Posted by: Turin Machine Jul 31 2017, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 17 2017, 01:03 PM) *
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-40628037

Now there are good ideas, there are bad ideas , there are silly ideas and there are downright stupid ideas, and this must surely fit very comfortably in the bloody stupid category .
Not so long ago some barmpot thought it a wheeze to bring the Red Kite back. Now the skies are full of them all circling round trying to find a meal. If you are going to encourage a top predator then make sure there is enough for them to eat without putting domestic animals at risk.
The Eurasian Lynx is a pretty big animal to have wondering about at the bottom of your garden, ( adult males can reach 100lb) , and I for one, would not like to confront it without a 12 bore under my arm.

Vaguely recollect someone wanted to introduce the wolf and the bear back into the Highlands a few years back. Thankfully this fell by the way but this proposal is in an English county so we can't even cite the independence excuse.

Just back from a months R&R in south of France and guess what? Farmers blockades on local mway in protest at predation by Wolves on sheep flocks! French government has issued a licence to cull 40 of them for this year. And, not far away a bear was responsible for stampeding 200 sheep of a cliff edge last week. That and having vultures in the sky overhead and sangliers rooting in the garden at night it's been quite exciting!

Posted by: On the edge Jul 31 2017, 06:57 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jul 31 2017, 05:08 PM) *
Just back from a months R&R in south of France and guess what? Farmers blockades on local mway in protest at predation by Wolves on sheep flocks! French government has issued a licence to cull 40 of them for this year. And, not far away a bear was responsible for stampeding 200 sheep of a cliff edge last week. That and having vultures in the sky overhead and sangliers rooting in the garden at night it's been quite exciting!


Gosh; glad we opted for Tenby!

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 31 2017, 10:16 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jul 31 2017, 05:08 PM) *
Just back from a months R&R in south of France and guess what? Farmers blockades on local mway in protest at predation by Wolves on sheep flocks! French government has issued a licence to cull 40 of them for this year. And, not far away a bear was responsible for stampeding 200 sheep of a cliff edge last week. That and having vultures in the sky overhead and sangliers rooting in the garden at night it's been quite exciting!


Nature. Gotta love it. We don't need Wolves. Chavs with Staffies are more "UK"....

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 1 2017, 07:50 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 31 2017, 11:16 PM) *
Nature. Gotta love it. We don't need Wolves. Chavs with Staffies are more "UK"....


Does that mean a cull is proposed ? Will get the Purdey out. wink.gif

Posted by: Turin Machine Aug 1 2017, 09:28 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 1 2017, 07:50 AM) *
Does that mean a cull is proposed ? Will get the Purdey out. wink.gif

I think a chavs head would just be the finishing touch up on the wall of the breakfast room.

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 25 2017, 01:34 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41038220

Sometimes I wish it was. In the sliding scale of bonkers this really is one in a league of it's own . tongue.gif

The frightening part is they are serious.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 25 2017, 05:33 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 25 2017, 02:34 PM) *
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41038220

Sometimes I wish it was. In the sliding scale of bonkers this really is one in a league of it's own . tongue.gif

The frightening part is they are serious.


Very glad they are serious and this 'trial' is public and underway. Arguably, far safer than driven lorries because for starters the controlling brain isn't going to be chatting on his mobile, texting his mates or just too tired.

Driverless vehicles, bring it on, sooner the better.

Posted by: Turin Machine Aug 25 2017, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 25 2017, 06:33 PM) *
Very glad they are serious and this 'trial' is public and underway. Arguably, far safer than driven lorries because for starters the controlling brain isn't going to be chatting on his mobile, texting his mates or just too tired.

Driverless vehicles, bring it on, sooner the better.

Still all controlled by the lead driver though, so if hes not paying attention we get three crashing instead of one. Carnage.

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 25 2017, 06:31 PM

So Mighty Beanz distribution hub send 3 lorries laden with their finest canned goods on their merry way . The first lorry is destined for Newcastle upon Tyne , the second is going to Exeter and the third Bruges .

Explanations please .

Posted by: On the edge Aug 25 2017, 09:22 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 25 2017, 07:30 PM) *
Still all controlled by the lead driver though, so if hes not paying attention we get three crashing instead of one. Carnage.


No, not controlled, observed would be a better term. The lead driver could be in a drug induced trance and it would make no difference. Ironically, if the 'driver' deliberately chose to override, then, yes, you'd have big trouble. Nothing new in people being worried about technology, in the 1830s there were predictions of carnage because trains went a bit faster than horses; all seems well today.

Posted by: Turin Machine Aug 25 2017, 09:41 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 25 2017, 10:22 PM) *
No, not controlled, observed would be a better term. The lead driver could be in a drug induced trance and it would make no difference. Ironically, if the 'driver' deliberately chose to override, then, yes, you'd have big trouble. Nothing new in people being worried about technology, in the 1830s there were predictions of carnage because trains went a bit faster than horses; all seems well today.


What part of this
"Up to three lorries will travel in formation, with acceleration and braking controlled by the lead vehicle.
But the head of the AA said platoons raised safety concerns.
In the platoons, the lead vehicle will be controlled by a human driver and will communicate with the rest of the convoy wirelessly.
The following vehicles will be instructed to accelerate and brake by the lead vehicle, allowing the lorries to drive closer together than they could with human drivers.
did you miss.

Posted by: Biker1 Aug 26 2017, 05:42 AM

Wonder when they are going to introduce riderless bicycles?............................please!! tongue.gif

(Cause if they don't how are driverless cars / lorries going to cope wth them? Drivered ones cant!! laugh.gif )

Posted by: On the edge Aug 26 2017, 06:19 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 25 2017, 10:41 PM) *
What part of this
"Up to three lorries will travel in formation, with acceleration and braking controlled by the lead vehicle.
But the head of the AA said platoons raised safety concerns.
In the platoons, the lead vehicle will be controlled by a human driver and will communicate with the rest of the convoy wirelessly.
The following vehicles will be instructed to accelerate and brake by the lead vehicle, allowing the lorries to drive closer together than they could with human drivers.
did you miss.


The BBC isn't the only source of news or comment (thankfully) you need to see and understand rather more about this project.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 26 2017, 06:30 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 26 2017, 06:42 AM) *
Wonder when they are going to introduce riderless bicycles?............................please!! tongue.gif

(Cause if they don't how are driverless cars / lorries going to cope wth them? Drivered ones cant!! laugh.gif )


Well, that started a while back, with brainless cyclists..... wink.gif

However, the key is, of course, speed of reaction, so bluntly, where it is wholly the cyclist or pedestrian's fault just as now, there will be injury. I suspect that I'm not alone in thinking that this will demonstrate that the cycling accident rate isn't wholly down to motorists meaning we won't be able to simply pretend the real issue doesn't exist.

Posted by: SirWilliam Aug 26 2017, 08:22 AM

Maybe we should escalate to the logical conclusion of replacing humans with robots . This would take the frailty of response out of most situations , assuming the software is "foolproof" . A robotic cyclist is unlikely to ride blindside of an HGV but equally would possess sufficient processor memory when driving a car to use a phone , control the kids and paint it's nails at the same time without causing havoc .

Next stop , robotic children...........now that's a thought tongue.gif


Posted by: On the edge Aug 26 2017, 08:58 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Aug 26 2017, 09:22 AM) *
Maybe we should escalate to the logical conclusion of replacing humans with robots . This would take the frailty of response out of most situations , assuming the software is "foolproof" . A robotic cyclist is unlikely to ride blindside of an HGV but equally would possess sufficient processor memory when driving a car to use a phone , control the kids and paint it's nails at the same time without causing havoc .

Next stop , robotic children...........now that's a thought tongue.gif


The Governor of the Bank of England has fairly recently warned that many more jobs than might be imagined will be automated in the next decade or so, leaving us with an interesting conundrum. How will many of us earn a realistic living? It's quite an interesting excercise to properly analyse our own jobs to see that it is possible.

Posted by: Turin Machine Aug 26 2017, 09:04 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 26 2017, 07:19 AM) *
The BBC isn't the only source of news or comment (thankfully) you need to see and understand rather more about this project.

Funny that, watched it last night, good report on TV, strange organic lump in the driving seat using the controls was a bit odd, but ah yes, realised it was a driver! I know rather more about semi autonomous vehicles than you do my old China.

Posted by: Turin Machine Aug 26 2017, 09:10 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 26 2017, 09:58 AM) *
The Governor of the Bank of England has fairly recently warned that many more jobs than might be imagined will be automated in the next decade or so, leaving us with an interesting conundrum. How will many of us earn a realistic living? It's quite an interesting excercise to properly analyse our own jobs to see that it is possible.

Now this really is 'old news', when the car industry started to develop robotics for spot welding and for use in spray processes we were all told it was the end of the world, 'in twenty years the only people working will be the ones pushing buttons' was the universal wail! Unemployment has dropped since then, only the feckless, lazy dinosaur types got left behind. The rest of the world adapted.

Posted by: blackdog Aug 26 2017, 11:17 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 26 2017, 10:10 AM) *
Now this really is 'old news', when the car industry started to develop robotics for spot welding and for use in spray processes we were all told it was the end of the world, 'in twenty years the only people working will be the ones pushing buttons' was the universal wail! Unemployment has dropped since then, only the feckless, lazy dinosaur types got left behind. The rest of the world adapted.


Unemployment has dropped - but I wonder how much of this is down to government employment subsidies (tax credits) which make it easier for people to work part time. The figures are, to some extent, misleading - I wonder what they would look like if they converted the number of jobs to the number of full-time equivalents.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 26 2017, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 26 2017, 10:10 AM) *
Now this really is 'old news', when the car industry started to develop robotics for spot welding and for use in spray processes we were all told it was the end of the world, 'in twenty years the only people working will be the ones pushing buttons' was the universal wail! Unemployment has dropped since then, only the feckless, lazy dinosaur types got left behind. The rest of the world adapted.


Actually, the cry at the time was that the age of blue collar jobs was over and we'd have to get used to white collar 'brain work'. And, further, nuts and bolts jobs would be left to developing economies. Ironically, it was this threat that lead to the 50% of our kids should go to university an even more cruel irony is that we still assemble cars, but don't do the brain work. Even so, why haven't we fully automated the production lines for i.c.e. vehicles? Simply it costs time and money and with electric vehicles of a radically different design shortly coming on stream, the business case just doesn't stack up. Yes, the emerging world is adapting and you are right, like the dinosaur, we face extinction.

Posted by: On the edge Aug 26 2017, 09:13 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 26 2017, 10:04 AM) *
Funny that, watched it last night, good report on TV, strange organic lump in the driving seat using the controls was a bit odd, but ah yes, realised it was a driver! I know rather more about semi autonomous vehicles than you do my old China.


You are right, I didn't see the news report on TV last night, so, yes, that must mean you know much more than I do. Please don't tell anyone or the cheques will stop coming!

Posted by: On the edge Aug 26 2017, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (blackdog @ Aug 26 2017, 12:17 PM) *
Unemployment has dropped - but I wonder how much of this is down to government employment subsidies (tax credits) which make it easier for people to work part time. The figures are, to some extent, misleading - I wonder what they would look like if they converted the number of jobs to the number of full-time equivalents.


You aren't supposed to have noticed that! laugh.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Sep 7 2017, 06:03 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 26 2017, 10:13 PM) *
You are right, I didn't see the news report on TV last night, so, yes, that must mean you know much more than I do. Please don't tell anyone or the cheques will stop coming!

Dont worry, most people know much more than you do. Still. tongue.gif

Posted by: On the edge Sep 9 2017, 08:26 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 26 2017, 10:10 AM) *
Now this really is 'old news', when the car industry started to develop robotics for spot welding and for use in spray processes we were all told it was the end of the world, 'in twenty years the only people working will be the ones pushing buttons' was the universal wail! Unemployment has dropped since then, only the feckless, lazy dinosaur types got left behind. The rest of the world adapted.


If you are deeply interested this is a reasonable one:-
https://www.cenex-lcv.co.uk/news-media/press-releases/global-automakers-universities-and-low-emissions-vehicle-innovators-present-the-future-of-low-carbon-transport-at-cenex-lcv2017-seminars
As usual, particularly if you can get along to the fringe, or get some of the more advanced exhibitors on their own.

Posted by: Turin Machine Sep 9 2017, 05:06 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 9 2017, 09:26 AM) *
If you are deeply interested this is a reasonable one:-
https://www.cenex-lcv.co.uk/news-media/press-releases/global-automakers-universities-and-low-emissions-vehicle-innovators-present-the-future-of-low-carbon-transport-at-cenex-lcv2017-seminars
As usual, particularly if you can get along to the fringe, or get some of the more advanced exhibitors on their own.

Thanks but I'll give it a miss, be full of people trying to sell unworkable EV's rather than look for fresh solutions. And as for low emissions Motorsports! Give me strength! Workable autonomous systems will require a full overhaul of Britains road network, and there's neither the will not the money to do that. Might work in the city but not West berks.

Posted by: On the edge Sep 9 2017, 07:08 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Sep 9 2017, 06:06 PM) *
Thanks but I'll give it a miss, be full of people trying to sell unworkable EV's rather than look for fresh solutions. And as for low emissions Motorsports! Give me strength! Workable autonomous systems will require a full overhaul of Britains road network, and there's neither the will not the money to do that. Might work in the city but not West berks.


A pity; nonetheless there are workable autonomous systems already, albeit as far as public highways are concerned in beta testing. West Berkshire's road network will not prresent any problem not already encountered elsewhere.

Posted by: Turin Machine Sep 9 2017, 09:49 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Sep 9 2017, 08:08 PM) *
A pity; nonetheless there are workable autonomous systems already, albeit as far as public highways are concerned in beta testing. West Berkshire's road network will not prresent any problem not already encountered elsewhere.

Semi autonomous, semi autonomous. Do you know how these systems work?

Posted by: On the edge Sep 10 2017, 06:17 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Sep 9 2017, 10:49 PM) *
Semi autonomous, semi autonomous. Do you know how these systems work?


Yes, I know exactly how they they work. However I suspect we are at cross purposes talking about different levels indeed types of technology. Semi autonomous is what we have today and in fairly common use. Autonomous is the future. In old terms, a bit like the difference between computing as data processing and as information technology; those heavily immersed in Data Processing found the potential and emergence of Information Technology very difficult to deal with.

Posted by: SirWilliam Oct 30 2017, 09:09 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-41801235

Well its a start . Now all that it needs is a mate and soon they will be common sights ; unless the might of the Wales constabulary manages to hunt it down on the grounds that it doesn't have the correct documentation to be free .

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