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Another long road closure by TVP, A fatal RTA yes; but 12 hours road closure |
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Feb 17 2013, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 17 2013, 07:55 PM) It was a long closure because the police need to cover their butts as they have killed yet another person. The log book issue is irrelevant because even if they knew who the car was registered to, it still wouldn't tell them if it was stolen or if any criminal activity was going on. That is fact, or your belief? I'm not clear on the circumstances. My only comments relate to the investigation process.
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Feb 17 2013, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 17 2013, 06:26 PM) Haven't read any, I'm afraid. Councils are responsible for organising diversions. The human examination has to be done before the technology can record, and there still has to be an explanation of what the pictures etc show - and the significance. In many cases the technical kit needs to be brought to scene, by one of few officers trained to use it Incidents may seem to take longer to investigate, but the more technical and legal issues that have to be covered then the longer the evidence gathering takes.
Feel free to make the enquiry of TVP as to why the road was closed so long. I don't disagree it seems a lengthy closure, but I don't know the reasons. I do not instantly assume the reasons are lacking I'm not going to waste any time asking, I know what answer I'd get. I'm simply basing my view on what serving police officers, two of whom could be considered family, have told me. Put it this way, like many big organisations the Police aren't immune to the activities of Mr Jobsworth, the 'Elf n'Safety Man.
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Feb 17 2013, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 17 2013, 08:26 PM) That is fact, or your belief?
I'm not clear on the circumstances. My only comments relate to the investigation process. I think it's been quite widely reported, in fact this thread that you are writing on is about the story.
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Feb 17 2013, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE (Weavers Walk @ Feb 17 2013, 03:35 PM) Try it then.
I'll type it slowly so you'll understand. AT THE TIME THE CHASE STARTED THE POLICE DID NOT KNOW IF IT HAD JUST BEEN STOLEN. Got it?
The pursuing officers could have had no idea if it was being driven by it's owner, keeper or a thief AT THE TIME THE CHASE STARTED. Oh. I missed this post. Why would the police assume a car has been stolen? Normally it would be reported stolen. Otherwise that means everyone who they pull over could possibly be stolen. If I get pulled over and asked "is this your car?" - "no, I just broke into my own house and stole the keys".
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Feb 18 2013, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 17 2013, 11:16 PM) Oh. I missed this post. Why would the police assume a car has been stolen? Normally it would be reported stolen. Otherwise that means everyone who they pull over could possibly be stolen. If I get pulled over and asked "is this your car?" - "no, I just broke into my own house and stole the keys". It is sometimes referred to as the "attitude test". Although I would imagine you'd boo your behind off if the police didn't rigorously check the driver of a car that had just taken it without your permission.
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Feb 18 2013, 03:35 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 17 2013, 11:16 PM) Normally it would be reported stolen. Only if the owner knew it had been stolen. If he or she is safely tucked up in bed and the car goes walkabout (or driveabout) then it won't have been reported as stolen would it? The police won't know this unless they stop and ask questions. If, when told to stop, the car boots it away, that's got to be a fair indication that something might just be wrong. Are you seriously suggesting that as the car roars off into the distance, the cops look at each other, shrug and say oh well it might be being driven by the owner...lets not bother? Right.
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Feb 18 2013, 09:52 AM
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Yes, because of all of the cars you can steal, you'd steal a Fiesta. Registered in Reading and being driven around in Reading - Must be stolen!! Running from the police = stolen car - We all know that is completely true every single time. Obviously you've never watched any of the cop shows on TV... Traffic Cops - Road Wars, etc. I'm not saying the police would shrug and "not be bothered" but it's hardly very logical to assume it's been stolen in the first thought. The car was not stolen in this case so your entire point is moot. There are 99 reasons to run from the police and having a stolen car is only 1. Hit me. QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 18 2013, 12:11 AM) It is sometimes referred to as the "attitude test". Although I would imagine you'd boo your behind off if the police didn't rigorously check the driver of a car that had just taken it without your permission. Not really, if my car was stolen at 3am and it was spotted driving I'd be pissed but that would just be the way it works. I'm out at all sorts of hours and yet have never been pulled over either despite driving like my hair is on fire. If I had reported it stolen and it was spotted and not pulled then I would be MAD BRO.
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Feb 18 2013, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 18 2013, 09:52 AM) Not really, if my car was stolen at 3am and it was spotted driving I'd be pissed but that would just be the way it works. Really? Your pride and joy? QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 18 2013, 09:52 AM) I'm out at all sorts of hours and yet have never been pulled over either despite driving like my hair is on fire. If I had reported it stolen and it was spotted and not pulled then I would be MAD BRO. I'm sorry, the implication in your last post regard being stopped by the police sounded like what you would say, being the lippy young scallywag you are! I would imagine the first thought a police officer has, is not that a car might be stolen, more likely that it is being driven by someone who might not entitled to do so. They will also ask seemingly obvious questions immediately that will give them a first impression as to the honesty of the driver.
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Feb 18 2013, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Feb 18 2013, 10:12 AM) It's "centre" in this country xjay! (Don't have a go at me, just trying to help! ) Oh, they must have the spelling wrong on the front of the building I'm in at the moment....wait, I'm not in England! Must be jet lag, these pesky foreigners and there are so many of them and us thinking they want to come to university here.
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Feb 18 2013, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 18 2013, 10:30 AM) grr...
Grammar: the difference between knowing your poop and knowing you're poop. An excellent illustration of the importance of good grammar.
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Feb 18 2013, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 18 2013, 10:49 AM) Really? Your pride and joy? If it was stolen in the night and I had not reported it, and it was spotted in say Loughborough in a Dodgy Industrial Estate, I would have questions. If it was spotted in Newbury Town Center then I would understand perhaps why it was not stopped. QUOTE I'm sorry, the implication in your last post regard being stopped by the police sounded like what you would say, being the lippy young scallywag you are! I would say that because it would be a stupid question!! If I was driving a stolen car I'd be driving around my home town wouldn't I blaring my loud rap music while driving around on my rev limiter.
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Feb 18 2013, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 18 2013, 11:09 AM) I would say that because it would be a stupid question!! Did you not read the rest of my post?
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Feb 18 2013, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 18 2013, 11:06 AM) An excellent illustration of the importance of good grammar. Center and Centre is not grammar silly. It's just a different way of spelling a word which is known both in the UK and the Americas. I do not make mistakes such as Your / You're. So infact it's not an excellent illustration of anything, more like a dodgy painting done by Karen, aged six.
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Feb 18 2013, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Feb 18 2013, 01:03 PM) So infact it's not an excellent illustration of anything, more like a dodgy painting done by Karen, aged six. You're off on one today; I'd say Blackdog was perfectly correct with his last post.
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Feb 18 2013, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Feb 17 2013, 11:03 PM) I think it's been quite widely reported, in fact this thread that you are writing on is about the story. I don't consider media reports , as yet not updated, as being the full circumstances. In any case, my query referred to your comment "It was a long closure because the police need to cover their butts as they have killed yet another person." Is that fact, or your belief?
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