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Sep 9 2010, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (DrPepper @ Sep 9 2010, 10:23 AM) I think you'll find the USA is a major leader of the free world and advocate of free speech. Or does this not apply if it may offend a muslim Mind you I was relieved, as I first read the title as "burn a Korean day" - something even the most staunch advocate of free speech couldn't condone! Free speech today is very selective particularly if you are a white, tax paying christian.
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Sep 9 2010, 12:06 PM
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Freedom of speech does not extend to freedom to "incitement of violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group." The conventions mentioned apply to all "European, inter-American and African regional human rights law equally". Whether they are applied equally is another matter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speechIn my view, all religion is cobblers, but this Koran burning bloke is acting to provoke...not exactly Christian. On the other hand, right-minded Muslims should treat it with the contempt it deserves.
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Sep 9 2010, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Sep 9 2010, 01:06 PM) Freedom of speech does not extend to freedom to "incitement of violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group." The conventions mentioned apply to all "European, inter-American and African regional human rights law equally". Whether they are applied equally is another matter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speechIn my view, all religion is cobblers, but this Koran burning bloke is acting to provoke...not exactly Christian. On the other hand, right-minded Muslims should treat it with the contempt it deserves. And therein lies the problem, far to many Muslims are far from being "right-minded", and the rest of us live in fear of upsetting them in case of reprisal.
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Sep 9 2010, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE (DrPepper @ Sep 9 2010, 01:18 PM) And therein lies the problem, far to many Muslims are far from being "right-minded", and the rest of us live in fear of upsetting them in case of reprisal. Another problem might be too many Christian countries invading Muslim ones. Neither Islam nor Christianity are innocent in all this.
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Sep 9 2010, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Sep 9 2010, 01:21 PM) Another problem might be too many Christian countries invading Muslim ones. No, that's allowed - they are just bringing democracy and freeing the people.
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Sep 9 2010, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Sep 9 2010, 01:23 PM) No, that's allowed - they are just bringing democracy and freeing the people. A euphemism for taking control of their oil? I'd advocate secularists ceremoniously burning copies of all religious texts, except that would be no better than the zealots we are already discussing!
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Sep 9 2010, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Sep 9 2010, 01:21 PM) Another problem might be too many Christian countries invading Muslim ones. Neither Islam nor Christianity are innocent in all this. It's been a little while the Christian crusades - I can't think of last time we (including the USA) invaded anywhere on the grounds of religion. On the grounds of "we would like that oil" maybe. Why the **** can't people go about with own religious beliefs without blowing up those who have another faith?
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Sep 9 2010, 12:34 PM
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Why the **** can't people go about with own religious beliefs without blowing up those who have another faith? [/quote] There you go, can't say h e l l, but heaven and h e l l and fundamental to the Christian faith yet censored. Lets try a few others - Allah, Muhammed, Koran, nope they seem to be ok
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Sep 9 2010, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE (DrPepper @ Sep 9 2010, 01:30 PM) Why the **** can't people go about with own religious beliefs without blowing up those who have another faith? Oil, religion; both involve death and destruction to families. Islamic countries have a different form of rule than us. We have a state and a church. Islam often have a state that is a church. Invading a state, is invading a church. We in the West have a culturally different outlook than many in the East. Which ever way you look at this, this Koran burner is acting falsely. H e l l is banned as a Christian swear word; I would imagine.
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Sep 9 2010, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Sep 9 2010, 01:06 PM) In my view, all religion is cobblers, but this Koran burning bloke is acting to provoke...not exactly Christian. On the other hand, right-minded Muslims should treat it with the contempt it deserves. I actually agree with you on this.
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Sep 9 2010, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (DrPepper @ Sep 9 2010, 01:18 PM) And therein lies the problem, far to many Muslims are far from being "right-minded", and the rest of us live in fear of upsetting them in case of reprisal. Seems to be that way doesn't it.
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Sep 9 2010, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Sep 9 2010, 01:36 PM) Islamic countries have a different form of rule than us. We have a state and a church. Islam often have a state that is a church. Invading a state, is invading a church. We in the West have a culturally different outlook than many in the East. Well at the moment we do.
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Sep 9 2010, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Sep 9 2010, 01:36 PM) H e l l is banned as a Christian swear word; I would imagine. Yes but H e l l isn't a swear word, it is quoted in the bible and fundamental to the Christian believe. It is actually the controlling factor of the religion.
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Sep 9 2010, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE (DrPepper @ Sep 9 2010, 01:47 PM) Yes but H e l l isn't a swear word, it is quoted in the bible I understand that so is the word: b a s t a r d. But just like that word, it can be used to form an insult, like: go to h e l l . QUOTE (DrPepper @ Sep 9 2010, 01:47 PM) and fundamental to the Christian believe. It is actually the controlling factor of the religion. I thought h e l l exists in Islam as well? At the end of the day, I don't think the word is censored because of Islamic sensibilities. When I read what the preacher planned to do, I thought: idiot! When I saw the predictable response from Muslims, I thought the same.
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