 Parkway to Robin Hood Giratory queues, we haven't got all day! |
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 Apr 1 2013, 06:04 PM
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The point was that people turning right cause a queue behind them, by going round the clock tower and back down, they would still be in a queue, but not causing one. The Parway roundabout is too small to do 180 easily and too busy. The clock tower roundabout is bigger.
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Apr 1 2013, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 1 2013, 07:04 PM)  The point was that people turning right cause a queue behind them, by going round the clock tower and back down, they would still be in a queue, but not causing one.  QUOTE (Strafin @ Apr 1 2013, 07:04 PM) The Parkway roundabout is too small to do 180 easily and too busy. The clock tower roundabout is bigger. The problem stems from the crap signalling at the Robin Hood roundabout, surely? Imagine what the problem would be like if Parkway had actually improved footfall (and therefore car movements) in Newbury! One of the reasons we have this bottle neck is, in my view, because rather than solve the problem, the powers that be have simply moved the problem from the canal bridge to the Robin Hood giratory. |
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Apr 1 2013, 06:24 PM
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Which begs the question: what has been gained by closing the canal bridge to ordinary traffic?
I believe there are regular reviews of traffic light timings, so it is to be hoped that there will be adjustments. |
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Apr 1 2013, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Apr 1 2013, 07:24 PM) Which begs the question: what has been gained by closing the canal bridge to ordinary traffic? I believe there are regular reviews of traffic light timings, so it is to be hoped that there will be adjustments. That's not 'begging the question'. 
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Apr 1 2013, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 1 2013, 07:27 PM) That's not 'begging the question'. How does "moving the problem from the canal bridge" not imply it's as a result of its closure?
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Apr 1 2013, 08:03 PM
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Begging the question means that a question is not necessary.
It means that a statement is a logical fallacy. IOW, a statement that requires a proof 'begs the question' that the proof were not offered. It does not mean 'raising the question'. |
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Apr 1 2013, 08:14 PM
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Recall that for some reason these lights are managed by Hants Cty Council; perhaps they have an interest
in clogging Newbury, so shoppers are inclined to go to Basingstoke. |
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Apr 1 2013, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Apr 1 2013, 07:53 PM) How does "moving the problem from the canal bridge" not imply it's as a result of its closure? It does, but 'begging the question' is a misused statement. Just being customarily pedantic.
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Apr 1 2013, 11:56 PM
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Sort of like straw man fallacies.
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Grammar: the difference between knowing your poop and knowing you're poop. |
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Apr 2 2013, 12:17 AM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Apr 1 2013, 06:24 PM) Which begs the question: what has been gained by closing the canal bridge to ordinary traffic? It has removed the congestion from the Wharf, no more queuing for 15-20 minutes to get from the library car park to Bear Lane. |
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Apr 2 2013, 12:24 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Apr 2 2013, 01:17 AM) It has removed the congestion from the Wharf, no more queuing for 15-20 minutes to get from the library car park to Bear Lane. But now we have one outside Aldi. Hopefully for the people that drive round that area, they might be able to get something done about it. |
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Apr 2 2013, 05:10 AM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Apr 1 2013, 09:41 AM) Wrong direction. Eh? 
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Apr 2 2013, 07:51 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 2 2013, 06:10 AM) Eh? The B&Q roundabout is going towards Thatcham, which is the opposite direction to that which we are talking about, i. e. towards the town centre. |
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Apr 2 2013, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 1 2013, 10:11 PM) It does, but 'begging the question' is a misused statement. Just being customarily pedantic. In which case I have been using it incorrectly all my life. However, according to this Guardian blog, it seems I am in good company (or even the majority!). |
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Apr 2 2013, 09:55 AM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Apr 2 2013, 09:32 AM) In which case I have been using it incorrectly all my life. However, according to this Guardian blog, it seems I am in good company (or even the majority!). Quite, but now you know.
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Apr 2 2013, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 2 2013, 10:55 AM) Quite, but now you know. I shall be forever in your debt. 
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Apr 2 2013, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Apr 2 2013, 01:19 PM) I shall be forever in your debt. No offence intended; just playing. I am guilty of using the phrase wrongly myself (it sounds agreeable), but I also use the word 'ironically' too much, and wrongly, as well. |
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Apr 2 2013, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE (gel @ Apr 1 2013, 09:14 PM) Recall that for some reason these lights are managed by Hants Cty Council; perhaps they have an interest in clogging Newbury, so shoppers are inclined to go to Basingstoke. I believe that, the A339 and the A4 are the responsibility of the local authority in which they sit. So, it becomes Basingstoke and Deane down by the Swan at Newtown. I don't think there is such a thing as Hants City Council. The Highways Agency however take responsibility for the A34. |
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Apr 2 2013, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE (Exhausted @ Apr 2 2013, 04:41 PM) I don't think there is such a thing as Hants City Council. There isn't - which is probably why gel typed Hants Cty Council (in this case Cty = County). |
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 Apr 2 2013, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE (Exhausted @ Apr 2 2013, 05:41 PM) I believe that, the A339 and the A4 are the responsibility of the local authority in which they sit. So, it becomes Basingstoke and Deane down by the Swan at Newtown. I don't think there is such a thing as Hants City Council. The Highways Agency however take responsibility for the A34. My reference was to the County Council as we used to have once at Shire Hall. |
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