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Posted by: gel Aug 19 2012, 07:23 PM
How quickly time passes since the dramatic events of Hungerford today in 1987.
Many readers may not have heard of sad event possibly.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/19/newsid_2534000/2534669.stm
Posted by: Roost Aug 20 2012, 07:13 AM
It is right and proper to remember those who died and send our thoughts to families and all those affected.
I would however, question the need to post on here about it and most definitely disagree with the need to post a picture.
I'm sure that there is no ill intention on your behalf Gel, so please don't take this the wrong way. It is, after all, just my opinion.
Posted by: Mattman Aug 20 2012, 07:34 AM
No doubt gel you'll receive more posts from people like myself who were there that day that believe this is still a very sensitive topic. There was no need to have posted the photo.
Posted by: DZPhoto Aug 20 2012, 09:02 AM
It would be very much appreciated by all that were affected if you could please remove the photo.
Thank-you.
Posted by: Gooner72 Aug 20 2012, 10:18 AM
I too was in Hungerford on that fateful day 25 years ago, RIP those that so tragically had their lives cut short.
I concur with other posts on here, Gel, please remove the photo, it is not necessary, I am sure those that were directly involved all have their own memories and do not need reminding.
Posted by: x2lls Aug 20 2012, 11:47 AM
Why the need to remove?
Surely, if you don't want to read the thread, you can ignore it.
It is not as if reading all threads is compulsory.
Posted by: Roost Aug 20 2012, 12:48 PM
There is no 'need' to remove it.
However several people who were there in the town (and therefore directly affected by what happened) have asked that it be done.
I would think that it would not be too much to ask.
This ain't wikileaks, after all...!
Posted by: badmummajamma Aug 20 2012, 01:09 PM
I'm honestly not trying to be combative because I know it's a senstive subject but....
The BBC article carries a picture of Ryan himself and, on the very same page, also includes a link to a chronicle entry about Dunblane.
Has anyone asked the BBC to remove the picture of Ryan, or the article about Dunblane, or, while we're at it, any content about any horrible event in history that we'd rather forget about?
If people who understandably still feel sensitive about Hungerford choose to read a thread titled "25 years ago a sad day that shook the UK - Michael Ryan carried out mass murder nearby" then they really shouldn't be suprised by the thread content.
What I think is a bit odd is how the local newspaper, which you would have thought would be the only news organisation to approach it with sensitivity, simple ignores it as a matter of policy. Don't mention ze war.
Interesting thread Gel, thanks for the link to the BBC article.
Posted by: Roost Aug 20 2012, 01:29 PM
As well as the sensitivity surrounding this there is another consideration.
People are still trying to draw a line under this. As was said at the memorial 5 years ago, it is time to try and move on and let the people of Hungerford deal with it themselves (which i think may be one of the reasons for the lack if NWN coverage).
Peoples responses on here demonstrate how raw it still is for some of us which is not helped by having the post and picture here.
To a degree I do agree with what you say about people reading a thread with this title but the difference is that this is in a forum highly likely to be used by people from Hungerford as part of their everyday lives whilst you would have to actively search for the BBC story.
Its not about trying to suppress free speech or debate, purely asking for a little consideration from reasonable people.
Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 20 2012, 02:18 PM
I think people are being a little over-sensitive to the OP's picture. Having said that, if I was asked to remove a picture, under the circumstances, I probably would, especially if it were someone who lived or knew people who live in one of the houses shown.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 20 2012, 02:34 PM
No need for this thread at all.
Let people remember if they need to in their own personal way.
We do not need reminding!
Posted by: Weavers Walk Aug 20 2012, 02:41 PM
I was living in Hungerford at tlhat time, and if, after 25 years there are some who get 'upset' by pictures of Ryans house going up, then they need help. PTSD can take years to sort out. They should seek treatment. Anyone who was in Hungerford that afternoon and now lives to tell the tell is in fine shape and should give thanks everyday for how lucky they are, not cower behind the settee whenever a picture of the event comes onto the screen.
When Hamilton stalked through the school at Dunblane one of the children there was Andy Murray, The logic here seems to be 'don't televise his tennis matches because it might upset those who lived through it'.
What would be more pertinent would be to find out how it was that an armed gunman was allowed to roam the streets, set fire to buildings, and shoot whomsoever he wanted to for FIVE hours, without ever once being challenged by the Police. That's the most upsetting bit.
Ian Tomlinson couldn't even make it home.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 20 2012, 02:42 PM
What!!???
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 20 2012, 02:46 PM
No-one is saying they are "upset" by the picture or thread if you read. Just that they do not see the need for this.
None of the posters here "needs treatment" just a little respect.
Thanks.
Posted by: Newbelly Aug 20 2012, 02:48 PM
I think this is spot on.
A better picture to have posted maybe would be that of a memorial to the victims.
Posted by: Weavers Walk Aug 20 2012, 02:54 PM
Thank-you.
I was affected by it, and I don't care if the picture stays or goes. Please don't pretend to talk for me. It's a house burning. It's a pity Ryan wasn't in it. Get over it.
Posted by: Newbelly Aug 20 2012, 03:43 PM
Ian Tomlinson couldn't even make it home.
The two events you seem to compare are a quarter of a century apart, and I am not sure what you mean.
Of course, these days the police are much better trained and equipped to deal with a firearms incident. I remember the criticism of the delay at the time, but then the public wanted, and probably still want today, a routinely unarmed police.
Today, specialist skills can be expected to arrive at the scene of an incident very quickly, in 1987 that was not the case.
Posted by: March Hair Aug 20 2012, 06:35 PM
I would prefer it if there were not a picture but simple a reference to remember those lost and injured if anything. Some of us remember this not just once a year but every day. As for the comments about getting over it. Each person deals with things in a different way and I don't think its wrong to ask for reservation on bringing up the subject. It was horrific. It remains a horrific event in mine and others lives. I does not define my life. I do not need to get over anything.
And with regard to Police attendance. They did attend. This event was a defining moment in the history of police response to such incidents. Scrutinising it 25yrs later helps no one.
Posted by: Rusty Bullet Aug 20 2012, 07:52 PM
A short while ago many of us were shocked to learn of the death of local businessman Steve Huntley.
His tragic death in a motorcycle accident deeply affected his family, his friends, his work colleagues, his business partners and customers alike. Those of us who attended his funeral service will give free testament this.
So please, no pictures of Kawasaki bikes either.
Posted by: Amelie Aug 20 2012, 08:16 PM
For 25 years?
Posted by: March Hair Aug 20 2012, 09:15 PM
Nice
Posted by: Roost Aug 21 2012, 02:35 AM
Yes Amelie, something like this can take a long time to get over. Shocking I know but fortunately events like this are still rare in the UK.
I was there on the day. I did not lose anyone close to me, but I was directly involved, as were a lot of friends of mine. It did affect me and does every year. No, I do not need counselling.
Nobody is asking for refusal to talk or debate about it, simply stating that the
posting of the picture may be too much...
And Rusty, while Steve's death was tragic, I truely don't think you can compare the two.
Posted by: Darren Aug 21 2012, 03:43 AM
What an utterly moronic comment that ignores the events of the day. Go away and read the list of victims.
As I'm beginning to suspect that you can't be bothered to, here's a name.
PC Roger Brereton
Posted by: Rowley Birkin Aug 21 2012, 06:58 AM
why would anyone want to be reminded of this?
Posted by: Penelope Aug 21 2012, 08:22 AM
perhaps to help avoid it ever happening again?
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 21 2012, 04:09 PM
How on earth would bringing it up on here do that?
In fact, come to think of it, it may have the opposite effect!
Posted by: Rowley Birkin Aug 21 2012, 04:13 PM
what have you done to stop it happening again?
Posted by: Penelope Aug 21 2012, 04:47 PM
About as much as you I would think. However that's not the point.
Posted by: Rowley Birkin Aug 21 2012, 09:25 PM
Posted by: gel Aug 21 2012, 09:54 PM
Unfortunately history repeats itself, as it did after Hungerford.
Of course in USA it's even more of an epidemic because of the gun laws;
after the recent Cinema slayings in Denver, applications for gun licences increased
by 43% in Colorado; go figure.
A few days after Hungerford we in fact went to Florida, and gun laws had just been
softened, which was a culture shock to us from UK.
Local supermarkets had hastily put up hand written signs at entrance
requesting customers check in their weapons with Customer Service!
Only in America.
Posted by: Penelope Aug 22 2012, 08:49 AM
Of course in USA it's even more of an epidemic because of the gun laws;
after the recent Cinema slayings in Denver, applications for gun licences increased
by 43% in Colorado; go figure.
A few days after Hungerford we in fact went to Florida, and gun laws had just been
softened, which was a culture shock to us from UK.
Local supermarkets had hastily put up hand written signs at entrance
requesting customers check in their weapons with Customer Service!
Only in America.
We were in New Mexico a few years ago and Guns were on sale in the Wal Mart!
Posted by: Strafin Aug 22 2012, 08:50 AM
I was in Las Vegas last month and they still were!
Posted by: Penelope Aug 22 2012, 09:47 AM
"So, that'l be 6 eggs, a pint of milk, a pair of blue jeans and a Remington 12 gauge madam"
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 22 2012, 05:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RablPaIREkk
Posted by: Newbelly Aug 22 2012, 06:22 PM
This is a link to a cartoon. You were saying above?
Posted by: gel Aug 22 2012, 06:45 PM
Posted by: Penelope Aug 22 2012, 06:58 PM
Lol.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 23 2012, 05:16 AM
Sorry, your point is?
Posted by: Rowley Birkin Aug 23 2012, 06:59 AM
what might those affected by the events 25 years ago think of the funny pictures and videos of guns?
Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 23 2012, 09:23 AM
The lesson here for people who are sensitive to events like Hungerford is not to expect sympathy from everyone on a forum, and the best form of censorship is to remain silent.
Posted by: Strafin Aug 23 2012, 09:43 AM
Totally agree, the jokes could be deemed as insensitive, but they are not jokes about the event or the victims or the event itself.
Posted by: Roost Aug 23 2012, 12:53 PM
You are sadly correct Andy. From my perspective, it's not even sensitivity to incidents 'like' Hungerford but sensitivity to the incident of Hungerford itself.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 23 2012, 02:09 PM
Precisely.
We had moved on from the OP subject and were tackling the idiosyncrasies of American gun law.
Posted by: Timbo Aug 23 2012, 02:16 PM
None of the posters here "needs treatment" just a little respect.
Thanks.
I'm grateful for the picture. I have no idea what happened, and it was 25 years ago... you can't change the past.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 23 2012, 02:19 PM
?
Are you local??
No, forget that, you don't have to be even that!
Posted by: Baffers100 Aug 23 2012, 04:06 PM
People are still trying to draw a line under this. As was said at the memorial 5 years ago, it is time to try and move on and let the people of Hungerford deal with it themselves (which i think may be one of the reasons for the lack if NWN coverage).
Peoples responses on here demonstrate how raw it still is for some of us which is not helped by having the post and picture here.
To a degree I do agree with what you say about people reading a thread with this title but the difference is that this is in a forum highly likely to be used by people from Hungerford as part of their everyday lives whilst you would have to actively search for the BBC story.
Its not about trying to suppress free speech or debate, purely asking for a little consideration from reasonable people.
But by the same token, you have to actively click on this thread, and as previously mentioned the title clearly explains what it is about. Do not click on if trying to move on.
Posted by: x2lls Aug 23 2012, 09:11 PM
Why do you have no idea what happened?
Posted by: NWNREADER Aug 23 2012, 09:14 PM
Maybe less than 30 years of age, or only recently moved to the area?
Posted by: x2lls Aug 23 2012, 10:15 PM
Either one of those 'reasons' are very weak.
Perhaps a little research would be in order before making a contribution.
Posted by: spartacus Aug 23 2012, 11:16 PM
For the same reason, but on a much MUCH MUCH larger scale, that people want to remember The Holocaust and remind others...
Y'know they don't just have a single thumbnail picture of a smouldering building when they post "70 years ago a sad day that shocked the world" threads....... Far more emotive pictures to post.... They even make Oscar winning films about it, have relatively regular TV documentaries (War of the Worlds et al) and teach about it at schools....
And people don't generally get their knickers in quite the same sort of twists that some of the posters on here seem to do.... Are we just a teensy weensy bit over-sensitive and wanting to keep it brushed under the carpet??
Posted by: NWNREADER Aug 24 2012, 06:42 AM
Everyone has their own way of dealing with crises - personal, community, whatever. For that individual, their way is right. Others may point out an alternative standpoint/way of dealing, but the individual can choose which way to go.
A hurt individual cannot demand others feel the way they do, a comfortable individual has to allow another to still hurt.
The event was awful, not the way people deal with their emotions afterwards.
Posted by: Strafin Aug 24 2012, 08:09 AM
I was in the car with my Mum and drove through Hungerford on the day but was very little, 4 I think. When the documentary came out lots of people were unhappy with it, however despite having been there I did not realise the scale of the event until I had seen the film. I think it is difficult for people, but it will continue to be a talking point for years to come.
Posted by: Newbelly Aug 24 2012, 09:16 AM
I thought you were now 33?
Posted by: Baffers100 Aug 24 2012, 03:51 PM
Perhaps a little research would be in order before making a contribution.
All he was saying was that he was not aware of this. He does not need to do research to be able to post that comment. If he was saying something subjective about that day without having done research, then yes, he should have done some internet research. With previous posters asking why we need to bring this up, his posts answers that- we were not all aware!
Posted by: Strafin Aug 24 2012, 03:56 PM
I am, and no better at math than I was then! I must have been 8.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 25 2012, 07:15 AM
It's MATHS - plural!
Stop going all American on me!
Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 25 2012, 09:26 AM
You are right about it being American, but 'math' as a word in print is older than 'maths'. Also, 'maths' (short for mathematics) is a collective noun; not a plural.
Posted by: NWNREADER Aug 25 2012, 09:49 AM
http://www.campist.com/archives/the-north-face-triumph-anorak-jacket.html
Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 25 2012, 10:00 AM
Posted by: Strafin Aug 25 2012, 12:48 PM
Stop going all American on me!
OK! I even said tom-ay-to the other day, I need to have a word with myself!
Posted by: NWNREADER Aug 25 2012, 01:15 PM
You say tom-at-to?
I say Tom-a-to...
Do you say pot-ay-to?
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 25 2012, 03:07 PM
To quote from the excellent book "How Not to Talk Like an Ar$e" by Richard Wilson. (Published by Portico Books ISBN 978-1-907554-20-9).
"Mathematics is a plural - so therefore the shortened version should be plural. "Steam Engines"would not be shortened to "engine" would it?
Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 25 2012, 07:36 PM
"Mathematics is a plural - so therefore the shortened version should be plural. "Steam Engines"would not be shortened to "engine" would it?
Maths are hard.
Maths is hard.
Mathematics are hard.
Mathematics is hard.
Olympic fans are great.
Olympic fans is great.
Posted by: x2lls Aug 25 2012, 09:41 PM
Maths is hard.
Mathematics are hard.
Mathematics is hard.
Olympic fans are great.
Olympic fans is great.
Are you sure about that last one?
Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 26 2012, 08:36 AM
The idea is to illustrate the difference between a collective noun and a plural. I believe three sentences are correct and three are not.
Posted by: JeffG Aug 26 2012, 09:17 AM
Yes, you would say "Mathematics is hard", but there is an implied "The learning of..." at the front, which makes it singular. And even that assertion is up for debate.
Mathematics itself/themselves can't be hard or easy - it is/they are just a collection of facts and theories.
(Pedantry licence available for inspection.)
Posted by: Simon Kirby Aug 26 2012, 10:21 AM
The 's' on the end of mathematics is not an English plural inflection, it's from the greek - ικός - "study of" (mathematics is actually an uncountable noun). So mathematics is the "study of knowledge". "Math" and "maths" are equally reasonable abbreviations and arguing that one is better than another misunderstands how language (at least the English language) evolves organically - "math" taking hold in American English, and "maths" in British English. Compare the abbreviation "gym" for gymnastics - "I'm rubbish at gym", and "stats" for statistics - "I'm rubbish at stats". Greek words like "logic" (λογικός) that came into English earlier than "mathematics" didn't get the terminal "s" for no better reason than fashion.
Posted by: NWNREADER Aug 26 2012, 11:16 AM
http://www.campist.com/archives/the-north-face-triumph-anorak-jacket.html
Posted by: Simon Kirby Aug 26 2012, 12:30 PM
The anorak, like the parka (both loan-words from the Eskimo–Aleut language family), is an insulated rain-proof garment, whereas the North Face Triumph Anorak, despite its name, is really a cagoule - the French for hood - a light-weight hooded raincoat.
Posted by: NWNREADER Aug 26 2012, 01:55 PM
The parka is a knee-lenth fashion item, with a fur-ringed hood, worn when riding a mirror- and light-bedecked scooter. They certainly ain't waterproof or insulated!!!! (unless you had the liners)
http://itsamodthing.com/M48_fishtail_parka.html
http://www.fishtailparkas.com/images/Mods/mod.jpg
Posted by: Penelope Aug 26 2012, 02:09 PM
O dear, and we berated nothing much for wandering off subject, off to the naughty thread, all of you.
Posted by: dannyboy Aug 26 2012, 03:27 PM
I couldn't care less about all that.
Maths sound right & math sounds wrong. End of.
Posted by: Strafin Aug 26 2012, 03:53 PM
I was just thinking that, but we actually berated nothing much for talking utter nonsense and drivel that was not related to anything written previously on those threads. In fact we didn't berate, we just asked him to wind it in a bit.
Posted by: Simon Kirby Aug 26 2012, 04:43 PM
Maths sound right & math sounds wrong. End of.
Just because a thing is familiar, established, and conventional doesn't make it "right". Like it or not, language is continuously evolving, and the "rules" of grammar, style, and spelling no more dictate that evolution than a weathervane tells the wind where to blow. Holding that "maths" is more right that "math" is as silly as saying that the little end of a boiled egg is the "right" end to crack open. "maths" is currently British English, and that's all that can be said about it, but "math" is already pretty popular, due in no small part to the popular Americanism "do the math" so I'd be surprised if it didn't replace "maths" in time.
I've done a bit of maths in my time so I'm just grateful that it features at all in the popular consciousness.
Ironically enough, the Pythagoreans who coined the term "mathematics" were really more in the way of religeous nut-jobs and were just the kind of intolerant sect to execute someone for saying "math" instead of "maths".
Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 26 2012, 07:57 PM
Maths sound right & math sounds wrong. End of.
End of of what?
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 27 2012, 08:34 AM
Maths sound right & math sounds wrong. End of.
Aarrrggh!
"End of" is in the book as well!!
Posted by: dannyboy Aug 27 2012, 04:09 PM
The argument.
I don't care if 'Math' is technically correct or not.
Posted by: x2lls Aug 27 2012, 05:01 PM
I was not impressed with the rodgering he was given. There was no need for it.
And for someone to start a thread simply to knock another was totally out of order.
Strafin, you didn't berate!!
Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 27 2012, 05:33 PM
I don't care if 'Math' is technically correct or not.
And there is no higher authority.
Posted by: dannyboy Aug 27 2012, 10:24 PM
for me, no.
you will have your own.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 28 2012, 08:17 AM
Well you should.
Do you not take a pride in knowing your own language?
It can be very important to get it right in certain situations.
Posted by: Timbo Aug 28 2012, 08:36 AM
Perhaps a little research would be in order before making a contribution.
Well sorry, all knowing oracle of knowledge.
Mutters nobhead and walks off.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 28 2012, 09:11 AM
You really are a charming individual aren't you?
Posted by: x2lls Aug 28 2012, 10:15 AM
Mutters nobhead and walks off.
Do you say that to everyone who disagrees with you?
After all, you did say 'I'm grateful for the picture. I have no idea what happened, and it was 25 years ago... you can't change the past.'
Perhaps if you had googled the event or read the link you wouldn't give the impression that you are an immature individual with a view that nothing happend
before you were born!
As previously mentioned in other threads, 'I'm too young to know it all'
Mutters 'tsk tsk tsk, cheeky kids'
Posted by: Timbo Aug 28 2012, 10:47 AM
No I don't. Just to ones who think that everyone should know everything that has ever happened within a 50 mile radius of their home town. I asked a simple question; what was the event? What happened? I said nothing disrespectful either, just that the past was the past and it's best to try and move on from such events.
News reports can not give the whole facts where as I thought asking what happened while surrounded by such enlightened (and clearly bitter) individuals would educate me without being stuck up about it!! Hardly acting like everything that happened before I was born didn't actually happen..
No less charming than half of the people in this forum. I've been away for a couple of weeks and in reading what I've missed I see nothing really of interest, just a group of particularly sad, hypocritical individuals bickering at each other..
Seems okay to make a chain of snarly, underhand comments aimed at individuals, but if someone is actually blunt enough to say "nobhead" which, let's face it, is not even a particularly insulting word, makes one uncharming?
Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 28 2012, 10:50 AM
What a nobhead!
Posted by: dannyboy Aug 28 2012, 11:15 AM
knobhead surely?
Posted by: dannyboy Aug 28 2012, 11:20 AM
Do you not take a pride in knowing your own language?
It can be very important to get it right in certain situations.
In this instance 'Math' is a crude Americanism. I'll stick with the Queen's
Posted by: andy1979uk Aug 28 2012, 11:34 AM
this thread has been ruined by this childish dribble, seriously grow up.
Posted by: dannyboy Aug 28 2012, 11:46 AM
You'd know all about that eh.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 28 2012, 11:48 AM
Well done - I agree!
Posted by: andy1979uk Aug 28 2012, 11:50 AM
No I believe you would, how childish of people to argue over spelling.
Posted by: dannyboy Aug 28 2012, 11:52 AM
It is called mathematicS - an area of study made up of many disciplines - algebra, geometry etc etc.
The shortened form should be mathS.
Mathematic isn't right, neither is math.
Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 28 2012, 11:54 AM
In what way is it 'crude'?
Posted by: dannyboy Aug 28 2012, 11:54 AM
where as arguing about childish argruing about spelling isn't.
Posted by: dannyboy Aug 28 2012, 11:56 AM
It is like Color & Favorite - cruder simplistic spellings of perfectly good English words.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 28 2012, 11:59 AM
It's not a spelling error which I accept everyone makes.
It is a misrepresentation of the English Language which needs to be stamped out!
PERIOD!
Posted by: Strafin Aug 28 2012, 12:05 PM
It is a misrepresentation of the English Language which needs to be stamped out!
PERIOD!
I disagree it's misrepresentation, have you seen written English from hundreds of year ago in (arguably) a more pure form? It's even cruder
Posted by: Simon Kirby Aug 28 2012, 12:07 PM
The shortened form should be mathS.
Mathematic isn't right, neither is math.
So you think someone called Denis is necessarily as gestalt? The 's' on mathematics is not a plural inflection, just as it isn't in physics, logistics, cladistics, and indeed linguistics. Etymologically mathematics is from the greek μαθηματικός, coined by the Pythagoreans from the study of (ικός) knowledge (μάθημα). That doesn't make "maths" any more correct than "math"; what makes "maths" right is that it is current UK English.
Posted by: Simon Kirby Aug 28 2012, 12:07 PM
Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 28 2012, 12:09 PM
The shortened form should be mathS.
Mathematic isn't right, neither is math.
But mathematics is a collective noun; not plural. Maths as an abbreviation is the newest word so might not be entitled to being superior.
Posted by: andy1979uk Aug 28 2012, 12:17 PM
Bored
Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 28 2012, 12:23 PM
Then go and do something less boring and leave us pedants to our pedantry!
Posted by: Timbo Aug 28 2012, 12:43 PM
Both?
And to think people were moaning at NM, look at this thread without him!!
Posted by: dannyboy Aug 28 2012, 01:31 PM
So glad we got there.
In early use always construed as a plural, and usually preceded by the. In modern use regarded as a mass noun, except when used of calculations
from the OED.
Posted by: Simon Kirby Aug 28 2012, 03:27 PM
I've been here for days, just waiting for you to catch up.
Posted by: dannyboy Aug 28 2012, 03:29 PM
Nah, you've been off talking Greek.
Posted by: pbonnay Aug 29 2012, 08:56 AM
Is there an official memorial to this tragic event?
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 29 2012, 09:02 AM
There is a small memorial garden – The Hungerford Tragedy Garden – by the entrance to the Hungerford Town Football Playing fields, Bulpit Lane.
Posted by: pbonnay Aug 29 2012, 09:04 AM
Thank you for the information.
Posted by: NWNREADER Aug 29 2012, 06:00 PM
And a wall plaque bearing the names of all the victims
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