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Jul 9 2010, 03:45 PM
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I can`t belive these idiot`s have been allowed to reduce our roads to one way ! When we had roads works going on around newbury, they wouldnt allow access through the race couse to ease the traffic on Hambridge rd. Now we have to sit in traffic, and taken other routes home because of the races and they would dream of reducing there enterance fee for the people that live in Newbury. see you in the traffic !
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You'd have thought it'd be people trying to escape SIMPLY (d)RE(a)D(ful) not the other way round, oh hang on though, this is trendy hip and with it Newbury................................
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Jul 10 2010, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE (graham @ Jul 10 2010, 11:11 AM) Have you seen the state of Newbury lately ?
Its run down, the town centre is a mess, the roads are knackered! What do you mean by "run down"? I certainly wouldn't describe the Market Place as run down but then perhaps my definition of run down is different to yours.
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Jul 10 2010, 02:02 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Jul 10 2010, 02:48 PM) OP took his own thread off topic! Any answer to my question in post #7, please? What do you mean by last night? It was OK through town at 18:00.
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Jul 10 2010, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Jul 10 2010, 03:02 PM) What do you mean by last night? It was OK through town at 18:00. Thanks for the info. I was only going by what I had read earlier about the town being potentially gridlocked with people arriving for the Simply Red concert. That was the reason for my diversion - it seems it wasn't needed, but better safe than sorry eh? And it's a prettier route Edit: I was stuck for a couple of hours in a town centre gridlock when we had the unexpected snow, and it ain't funny.
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Jul 10 2010, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE (graham @ Jul 10 2010, 11:11 AM) Have you seen the state of Newbury lately ?
Its run down, the town centre is a mess, the roads are knackered! QUOTE (Strafin @ Jul 10 2010, 11:58 AM) Newbury's a hole. Maybe, just maybe when all the renovations are complete it will have been worth it, but by then the damage will be done. Leave then
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Jul 10 2010, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 10 2010, 03:13 PM) Leave then I'd be interested to know where of similar size is better and still want to know what's "run down" in Newbury.
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Jul 10 2010, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Jul 10 2010, 07:04 PM) I'd be interested to know where of similar size is better and still want to know what's "run down" in Newbury. Seem to recall we had this sort of discussion some months back when I posed the question 'where, of a similar size and within a similar distance of London, is better than Newbury? Someone suggested Wokingham but few other takers. Anyone else suggest somewhere appreciably better than Newbury?
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Jul 11 2010, 09:53 PM
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user23 have you driven down London rd ? there`s boards up where the garage use to be, drive on a bit further and there is more rubble on the corner of park way which is going to be a hotel and then there`s the park way development which has run out of money again because there`s a lack of interest from new buisness`s and this info came from some one who works in Marks and spencer, been in the town ? well the start of the town looks like a post card from Iraq with half a building on the left hand side and then in the middle of the town there boards and windows painted white where shops have closed and not been re opened by other buisness`s, oh but we do have x3 Tesco stores x4 if you include the one in thatcham now do we no why we needed another tesco ? surely we could have had Morrision`s or Asda but we ended up with another tesco so i wonder who took the back hander there! Newbury used to be a really nice town with a good town centre and money put back in to it, but those days seem to be long gone, the council does nothing for the Newbury residents any more take friday they close roads for the races and simply red gig but still allow road work to continue on on major roads around the race course! now would`nt it make sense to carry out the road works at night ? it must be safer for the work men and less traffic. west berks or Newbury council want people to come to Newbury and spend the day here shopping going to the cinema or looking around newbury that sort of thing like you would do in Swindon, Reading, basingstoke point made !
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Jul 11 2010, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE (graham @ Jul 11 2010, 10:53 PM) ........now would`nt it make sense to carry out the road works at night ? it must be safer for the work men and less traffic. Problem..... Road works at night might be advisable for safety reasons on high speed/high volume roads like the A34. M4 or A4 outside of the towns....... But try carrying out roadworks at night on residential roads and you find that residents complain about the noise, the smell of tarmac, the floodlights, ummm. the noise, the inconvenience. Yes even though they might be tucked up in bed, they'll complain about the inconvenience... And to top it all, it costs an awful lot more to get workmen to commit to working unsociable hours..... not a sensible use of limited funds.
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Jul 12 2010, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE (graham @ Jul 11 2010, 10:53 PM) user23 have you driven down London rd ? there`s boards up where the garage use to be, drive on a bit further and there is more rubble on the corner of park way which is going to be a hotel and then there`s the park way development which has run out of money again because there`s a lack of interest from new buisness`s and this info came from some one who works in Marks and spencer, been in the town ? well the start of the town looks like a post card from Iraq with half a building on the left hand side and then in the middle of the town there boards and windows painted white where shops have closed and not been re opened by other buisness`s, oh but we do have x3 Tesco stores x4 if you include the one in thatcham now do we no why we needed another tesco ? Newbury used to be a really nice town with a good town centre and money put back in to it, but those days seem to be long gone, the council does nothing for the Newbury residents any more take friday they close roads for the races and simply red gig but still allow road work to continue on on major roads around the race course! now would`nt it make sense to carry out the road works at night ? it must be safer for the work men and less traffic. west berks or Newbury council want people to come to Newbury and spend the day here shopping going to the cinema or looking around newbury that sort of thing like you would do in Swindon, Reading, basingstoke point made ! Your obviously very naive and blinkered with your ideas of the definition of a poor place to live if that's the worst you can come up with.
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Jul 12 2010, 07:23 AM
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QUOTE (graham @ Jul 11 2010, 10:53 PM) point made ! One the one hand you're complaining about the town being run town, then on the other you're complaining about all the road repairs and building work being done. You can't have it both ways. And as someone has said, it costs a lot more to work at night and people complain about the noise. I was in the Market Place yesterday evening and I must say I think it looks very nice this time of year, surely you don't think it looks "run down"? It's really up to Asda or Morrison whether open a shop round here, not the council, have you written to them asking why they haven't?
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Jul 12 2010, 08:14 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Jul 12 2010, 08:23 AM) One the one hand you're complaining about the town being run town, then on the other you're complaining about all the road repairs and building work being done. You can't have it both ways. And as someone has said, it costs a lot more to work at night and people complain about the noise.
I was in the Market Place yesterday evening and I must say I think it looks very nice this time of year, surely you don't think it looks "run down"?
It's really up to Asda or Morrison whether open a shop round here, not the council, have you written to them asking why they haven't? User23 did Asda & Morrison have the chance to come to Newbury I know most people would have liked another food store other than tesco, The market place yes you have mentioned this a number of times ? what do you want me to say ?
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Jul 12 2010, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE (graham @ Jul 11 2010, 10:53 PM) been in the town ? well the start of the town looks like a post card from Iraq with half a building on the left hand side and then in the middle of the town there boards and windows painted white where shops have closed and not been re opened by other buisness`s, The possible reason for this is the extortionate rent that is STILL being charged for shops in the town. If you want profitable retail businesses in the town then they need to be charged a realistic rent.
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Jul 12 2010, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE (graham @ Jul 12 2010, 09:48 AM) QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 12 2010, 02:21 AM) Your obviously very naive and blinkered with your ideas of the definition of a poor place to live if that's the worst you can come up with.
blinkered dont you get out ? if this is what you want to see when you come to a town the we have different views, i would like to see more money put back in to newbury and make it a nice town again there enougfh of it around Newbury, look at the buisness`s we have. how long you lived in Newbury ? i love living in newbury and wouldnt live in a bigger town but it seems that not every one has the towns best interest at heart. Try living somewhere like here and then maybe you'll hopefully understand the point I'm trying to make. We'd all like to see more money pumped into the town and more varied shops open, but I'm not naive or stupid enough to believe it will happen before the recession is well and truly passed and until that point I'm grateful for what we have. Additionally comparing a few building works with Iraq and what they have to endure, in my opinion is frankly disgaceful and I for one would be thouroughly ashamed to even consider such an analogy. P.S. 25 years
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Jul 12 2010, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 12 2010, 11:09 AM) blinkered dont you get out ? if this is what you want to see when you come to a town the we have different views, i would like to see more money put back in to newbury and make it a nice town again there enougfh of it around Newbury, look at the buisness`s we have. how long you lived in Newbury ? i love living in newbury and wouldnt live in a bigger town but it seems that not every one has the towns best interest at heart. Try living somewhere like here and then maybe you'll hopefully understand the point I'm trying to make. We'd all like to see more money pumped into the town and more varied shops open, but I'm not naive or stupid enough to believe it will happen before the recession is well and truly passed and until that point I'm grateful for what we have. Additionally comparing a few building works with Iraq and what they have to endure, in my opinion is frankly disgaceful and I for one would be thouroughly ashamed to even consider such an analogy. P.S. 25 years You and Graham seem to be polarised to the point of hysteria. There are too many unused retail premises in Newbury which does not create the right image. Couple this with the litter in Victoria park and the high incidence of street crime at the end of Bartholomew street and the drunks at St Nick's church then you do have to ask the question what can be done to improve this. Iraq it isn't and exagerating the situation does not help. However i suspect that you do recognise the valid point being made.
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Jul 12 2010, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE (Andy @ Jul 12 2010, 11:09 AM) Try living somewhere like here and then maybe you'll hopefully understand the point I'm trying to make. Not nice, but you don't have to leave the UK to find places a lot worse than Newbury: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kpmarek/4120236025/
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Jul 12 2010, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Jul 12 2010, 11:28 AM) We're not a market town anymore, we are a 'supermarket' town. Surely that is progress? What seems to have happened over the last 30 years with Newbury and Thatcham is that continued house building for whatever reason, need, greed or accepted stratergy has attracted more people into the area and this in turn attracts the volume retail outlets to the detriment of the smaller and more personal retailers. This has inevitably changed both towns beyond recognition. Some would call this progress and in many ways it is but it is at the cost of the closer relationship that towns like Hungerford and Marlborough seem to maintain between residents themselves and the retail trade. Newbury and Thatcham are turning into dormitory towns with little investment into local manufacturing opportunities. The vast majority of jobs just service the ever growing population. Does seem a shame that the two towns have lost their identity. Once Parkway is occupied you could be in any town in the South.
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Jul 12 2010, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE (graham @ Jul 12 2010, 09:14 AM) User23
did Asda & Morrison have the chance to come to Newbury I know most people would have liked another food store other than tesco, The market place yes you have mentioned this a number of times ? what do you want me to say ? Who should be offering Asda & Morrison "the chance" to open a shop in Newbury? Surely they're able to submit a planning application to build a new shop any time they want?
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Jul 12 2010, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE (graham @ Jul 12 2010, 09:14 AM) User23
did Asda & Morrison have the chance to come to Newbury I know most people would have liked another food store other than tesco, The market place yes you have mentioned this a number of times ? what do you want me to say ? Asda/Morisons could easily have come to Newbury. The old Woolworth would have been ideal, empty units at the retail park or they could have done a new build like Tesco and Waitrose did and Aldi are doing.
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QUOTE (Jayjay @ Jul 12 2010, 02:02 PM) Asda/Morisons could easily have come to Newbury. The old Woolworth would have been ideal, empty units at the retail park or they could have done a new build like Tesco and Waitrose did and Aldi are doing. They probably wouldn't have wanted to, as we already have Tesco, Sainsbury, Waitrose, Lidl and soon to be Aldi. Too much competition
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QUOTE (Torchy @ Jul 13 2010, 09:39 AM) Morrison's would do very well locally Why do you say that? From the adverts I've seen, they don't look much different from Tesco's.
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 12 2010, 09:17 AM) The possible reason for this is the extortionate rent that is STILL being charged for shops in the town.
If you want profitable retail businesses in the town then they need to be charged a realistic rent. I counted 8 empty shops between the Clock Tower and the canal not including those that have been closed because of the Parkway developement. I'm not sure how many Charity shops we have in Newbury but it is at least 5. Not a great sign given that only 2 of the new Parkway shops have been taken up one of these by Debenham which will obviously vacate the Kennet centre.
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jul 13 2010, 12:27 PM) I'm not sure how many Charity shops we have in Newbury but it is at least 5. I can think of 8!!
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QUOTE (JMH @ Jul 13 2010, 12:38 PM) I can think of 8!! Good lord. Not a great indicator of demand by retail outlets jousting with each other to be situated in Newbury. Maybe rents are too high? Something is not quite right with this picture.
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jul 13 2010, 12:27 PM) I counted 8 empty shops between the Clock Tower and the canal not including those that have been closed because of the Parkway developement. I'm not sure how many Charity shops we have in Newbury but it is at least 5. Not a great sign given that only 2 of the new Parkway shops have been taken up one of these by Debenham which will obviously vacate the Kennet centre. Take 31 Northbrook Street for example - the blue one next to the O2 shop. £75,000pa rent and £20,244 rates!
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jul 13 2010, 12:48 PM) Take 31 Northbrook Street for example - the blue one next to the O2 shop. £75,000pa rent and £20,244 rates! Does seem a lot but I don't know how this compares with comparable space in Reading or Basingstoke.
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jul 13 2010, 01:08 PM) Does seem a lot but I don't know how this compares with comparable space in Reading or Basingstoke. I know of a telecomes company with office in London with good views over the Thames oposite Big Ben. Employ roughly 100 and rent is £100k. Don't know what the rates are though!
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Speaking of telecomms companies, a lot of the change in Newbury could be put down to the highs and lows of Vodafone.
Remembering Newbury when Vodafone spun out of Racal and had every other office building (seemingly) led to something of a boom for our high street and central areas. People were moving into the area and splashing out on houses and people were constantly in the high street over lunch, on breaks and after work which boosted foot traffic and passing trade.
Ever since Vodafone moved out of town, a number of office sites were left vacant and not subsequently filled. Add to that the effect of out of town retail parks and a recession as well as building owners evidently keeping rents high it has created something of a perfect storm.
As I only see the town infrequently now (maybe once a year give or take) the changes are much more apparant than if I had seen them gradually. I note that more shops are vacant and there are more of the cheap and cheerful variety and there generally being less 'buzz' in town on a Saturday.
Having said that Newbury is still a very nice place and one I still love to visit. Walking around the canal and through the park, by the wharf and so on all have a feel of a pleasant smallish town (and the out of town feel is excellent with Donnington castle, Highclere, pubs!, woods, rivers, hills and all the walks and outdoor activities that fit with that type of environment - just honest to goodness, down to earth countryside).
I don't rate the high street as once I did, though the out of town shops are larger and have a decent range (especially up near Tesco). One thing I do miss though is the indoor market where the Hogshead has been for a while - interesting place for a nose, though of course not high end.
Give me Newbury over Basingstoke/Reading/Swindon any day of the week!
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Dear Forum Friends I have been reading your views and opinions for a while now and it has taken a one liner to make me want to express my opinion. It was 'blinkered' Graham's opener of 'I cant believe these idiots have reduced our roads to one way!' that made me want to add my 10p worth. I think he must have visited the racecourse and borrowed a horse blinker? I live around the corner of the racecourse, they (I understand with police wishes) closed one small road to one way from 3-9ish last Friday, residents had full access within the vacinity and the traffic flowed fine. The racecourse (Graham's forementioned Idiot's) brings millions of pounds in to the town every year and it has done consistantly for years and will keep doing so. Yes the traffic is a pain but the racecourse was here before me, I decided to move here and you know what... I feel a lot better living in such a town than a town with nothing much going for it. Other companies, as mentioned by fellow forum friends, came in to the town and is slowly slouching/slouched out of town. Newbury offers so much more than the average UK town. Lastly, if anyone attended or read about the Newbury 2025 conference at the corn exchange recently will of learnt Newbury is well above average in shop occupancy in the UK. Lets love our town and thanks for reading my opinion. Best wishes Swan
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QUOTE (Swanlin @ Jul 16 2010, 11:15 PM) The racecourse (Graham's forementioned Idiot's) brings millions of pounds in to the town every year and it has done consistantly for years and will keep doing so. Yes the traffic is a pain but the racecourse was here before me, I decided to move here and you know what... I feel a lot better living in such a town than a town with nothing much going for it. Frankly, I have no interest in horse racing, so I am prejudiced, but the main effect of the race course seems to be 'peace' artists and louts and on occasion, heavy traffic. I'd rather it weren't here to be honest.
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QUOTE (Swanlin @ Jul 16 2010, 11:15 PM) I live around the corner of the racecourse, they (I understand with police wishes) closed one small road to one way from 3-9ish last Friday, residents had full access within the vacinity and the traffic flowed fine.
The racecourse (Graham's forementioned Idiot's) brings millions of pounds in to the town every year and it has done consistantly for years and will keep doing so. I too live in the vicinity of the racecourse, and have done so for close on 30 years..... Back in the days when the Osgoods managed the racecourse it was much more a 'Newbury' facility, and very much had community interests to heart. Not so now - the racecourse is a business 100% and makes its money for itself. I have not seen any evidence of millions of pounds (apart from the weight of the racegoers) coming to the town, and in many cases the spin-off from the alcohol etc discounts any benefit. No doubt the Landlord of The Old London apprentice would disagree..... Also, having worked alongside racecourse management in the past I know any history of huge cash benefit to the town is an overstatement. Bags of goodwill, but not much hard cash. Do not judge the impact of the recent use of the traffic plan (which overall was probably not needed in the event) as proof of the longer term effect. With the racecourse about to secure many £m for itself by developing the site and inflicting real infrastructure pain on the community I tend to suspect the traffic plan for the area will prove of huge benefit to the racecourse, of great pain to the rest of us.
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Jul 17 2010, 10:37 AM) I'm with Iommi on this one. I wonder how many Newbury residents have even attended a meeting? To me, they bring a horde of chavs to the town and block the roads with traffic, inconveniencing the locals.
Still, I suppose it's good for the local economy (though reading #53, perhaps not that much). Is 'chav' now a term meant to mean anyone you don't like?
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Jul 17 2010, 10:23 AM) I too live in the vicinity of the racecourse, and have done so for close on 30 years.....
Back in the days when the Osgoods managed the racecourse it was much more a 'Newbury' facility, and very much had community interests to heart. Not so now - the racecourse is a business 100% and makes its money for itself. I have not seen any evidence of millions of pounds (apart from the weight of the racegoers) coming to the town, and in many cases the spin-off from the alcohol etc discounts any benefit. No doubt the Landlord of The Old London apprentice would disagree..... Also, having worked alongside racecourse management in the past I know any history of huge cash benefit to the town is an overstatement. Bags of goodwill, but not much hard cash.
Do not judge the impact of the recent use of the traffic plan (which overall was probably not needed in the event) as proof of the longer term effect. With the racecourse about to secure many £m for itself by developing the site and inflicting real infrastructure pain on the community I tend to suspect the traffic plan for the area will prove of huge benefit to the racecourse, of great pain to the rest of us. Of course the racecourse makes money for itself. It also, as a major draw for the town earns a lot of cash for the restaurants, pubs, hotels & ancillary service trades based in the town.
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QUOTE (Jayjay @ Jul 17 2010, 02:45 PM) Please someone clarify 'chav'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChavBut not necessarily teenagers. As far as racing is concerned, mostly applied to the fraternity that travels up the M4 from the other side of the Severn Estuary. I'm sure there are other, more respectable types. QUOTE (Jayjay @ Jul 17 2010, 02:45 PM) Aah racing - maybe HRH is a chav. Which HRH did you have in mind, particularly?
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Jul 17 2010, 04:00 PM) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChavBut not necessarily teenagers. As far as racing is concerned, mostly applied to the fraternity that travels up the M4 from the other side of the Severn Estuary. I'm sure there are other, more respectable types. Which HRH did you have in mind, particularly? A chav (pronounced /ˈtʃæv/ (CHAV)) is a stereotypical rough young person in the United Kingdom. The typical "chav"—known also as a charver in Yorkshire and North East England[1]—is said to be an aggressive teenager, sometimes unemployed or of white working class background, who repeatedly engages in anti-social behaviour,[2] such as street drinking, drug abuse and rowdiness, or other forms of juvenile delinquency.I am even more confused now. I sometimes stand outside the pub with occasional ciggie and gin tonic, while wearing a Primark label. This is often before or after the races. But my teenager years are a mere memory, I have never had the energy, or inclination, to anything terribly anti social and worked all my life. Perhaps I am a wannabe.
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Jul 17 2010, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE (Jayjay @ Jul 17 2010, 09:46 PM) A chav (pronounced /ˈtʃæv/ (CHAV)) is a stereotypical rough young person in the United Kingdom. The typical "chav"—known also as a charver in Yorkshire and North East England[1]—is said to be an aggressive teenager, sometimes unemployed or of white working class background, who repeatedly engages in anti-social behaviour,[2] such as street drinking, drug abuse and rowdiness, or other forms of juvenile delinquency.I am even more confused now. I sometimes stand outside the pub with occasional ciggie and gin tonic, while wearing a Primark label. This is often before or after the races. But my teenager years are a mere memory, I have never had the energy, or inclination, to anything terribly anti social and worked all my life. Perhaps I am a wannabe. Can I join? I smoke outside pubs, with me glass of wine, sometimes in Primark gear.... Oh the shame.....
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Jul 19 2010, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE (Iommi @ Jul 19 2010, 11:40 AM) OK ... Well spotted JeffG, when will they acknowledge how 'unclever' you are? Iommi, you seem to be doing exactly what you condem others of. You have stopped debating and are resorting to making fun of other posters. Are you getting bored?
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Jul 19 2010, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jul 19 2010, 12:09 PM) Iommi, you seem to be doing exactly what you condem others of. You have stopped debating and are resorting to making fun of other posters. Are you getting bored? A debate would be nice ... but I'm not condemning, I'm taking the 'peace'. Worrying about the right acronym seems petty to me, especially as it is likely to be understood anyway. Some people on here seem to be more concerned with the technical merits of a post than actually contributing anything themselves. I would imagine my 'contribution index' is well within range despite my puerile and sarcastic comments on some of the forums pedants. JeffG deemed his repeated jibe as OK, but not mine. "I never drew first blood..."
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Jul 19 2010, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Jul 19 2010, 01:47 PM) I am getting bored with this. It wasn't a jibe, or pedantry, it was just confusion on my part as to who was meant by 'HRH'. I didn't believe you. Your use of smilies suggests you knew what was intended. I did. You sound too intelligent, to be so dim, if you can follow my point without taking offence. BUT I'm not interested - it was meant as a bit of jollity, which regrettably offend you. I thought we knew each other now, clearly I was wrong. I posted a passage that I would have used as a bit of banter as if I were in a pub with friends. I was mistaken so I apologies for any offence.
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