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Andy Capp
post Aug 4 2011, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Aug 4 2011, 03:21 PM) *
It really irks me when people say they are paying the ultimate price...No they are not, their daughter is - dead or alive.

It irks me when people are pedantic. As parents, they paid the ultimate price.
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post Aug 4 2011, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 4 2011, 04:39 PM) *
It irks me when people are pedantic. As parents, they paid the ultimate price.


As parents they failed - badly.
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post Aug 4 2011, 05:24 PM
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I just read this in the NWN and I was horrified. Parents must make the effort to make sure that their children are totally safe at all times and if that means going without (even a boyfriend) then that should be so. Sometimes I wonder why young girls want to have children if they regard other things more important than their own responsibilities. Unless they have children to get more money from social? I am not saying this is the case here, but it has been known to happen.
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post Aug 4 2011, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE (HeatherW @ Aug 4 2011, 06:24 PM) *
I just read this in the NWN and I was horrified. Parents must make the effort to make sure that their children are totally safe at all times and if that means going without (even a boyfriend) then that should be so. Sometimes I wonder why young girls want to have children if they regard other things more important than their own responsibilities. Unless they have children to get more money from social? I am not saying this is the case here, but it has been known to happen.
I think it's not right to single out "young girls" here.

Some otherwise sensible folk at lot older have been known to value an evening meal out, over the safety of their children.
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post Aug 4 2011, 08:36 PM
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Bad parenting occurs right across the social spectrum. Its probably worse for the 'upper end' as no one quite believes what are thought to be professional will do such things - so detection takes far longer. Wasn't there a case recently involving two Doctors?


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post Aug 4 2011, 09:02 PM
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post Aug 4 2011, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 4 2011, 09:36 PM) *
Bad parenting occurs right across the social spectrum. Its probably worse for the 'upper end' as no one quite believes what are thought to be professional will do such things - so detection takes far longer. Wasn't there a case recently involving two Doctors?





I agree. As they say it takes two to tango. Both parents are responsible, even if one is left alone holding the baby (no pun intended). There are many bad parents of both sexes.
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post Aug 5 2011, 06:05 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 4 2011, 04:39 PM) *
It irks me when people are pedantic. As parents, they paid the ultimate price.


Pedantic you say, the parents have paid the ultimate price. No! The child has paid the ultimate price for the parents actions.
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post Aug 5 2011, 07:48 AM
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QUOTE (Andy1 @ Aug 5 2011, 07:05 AM) *
Pedantic you say, the parents have paid the ultimate price. No! The child has paid the ultimate price for the parents actions.

Your point has been made already. As a parent, I cannot think of anything worse for my being partly responsible for losing my child, it would be worse than my death. I was talking from the point of view of the parent. The fate of the child, which is currently speculative, goes without saying.

Can you think of anything worse for a parent than being partly responsible for losing your child?
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post Aug 5 2011, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 5 2011, 08:48 AM) *
Your point has been made already. As a parent, I cannot think of anything worse for my being partly responsible for losing my child, it would be worse than my death. I was talking from the point of view of the parent. The fate of the child, which is currently speculative, goes without saying.

Can you think of anything worse for a parent than being partly responsible for losing your child?


I can't think of anything worse. But then to me society seems to dictate that one case is a bad mistake and the other should have the book thrown at them because of the social standing based on the news paper
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post Aug 5 2011, 09:57 AM
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Newbury Today still don't seem to have covered this news story; is it in the paper (NWN?)
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post Aug 5 2011, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 5 2011, 08:48 AM) *
Your point has been made already. As a parent, I cannot think of anything worse for my being partly responsible for losing my child, it would be worse than my death. I was talking from the point of view of the parent. The fate of the child, which is currently speculative, goes without saying.

Can you think of anything worse for a parent than being partly responsible for losing your child?


Partly responsible - where on earth do you get partly from? This was no accident, they were left alone on purpose so mummy and daddy could eat and get merry.
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post Aug 5 2011, 11:45 AM
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Partly responsible - where on earth do you get partly from? This was no accident, they were left alone on purpose so mummy and daddy could eat and get merry.

It is all supposition, but I am assuming they didn't deliberately get rid of their daughter. As the fate of Madeleine McCann is officially unknown to the authorities, I'll presume she was abducted by a third party. I take this to mean that the McCann's were not totally responsible for her disappearance. The point is, even if the parents were at home, it would not have meant their daughter was perfectly safe from abduction. In other words, leaving their children alone was not the only reason the abduction occurred.

At the end of the day, Madeleine McCann's disappearance was a horrible thing to happen, we can all agree on that.
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post Aug 5 2011, 11:47 AM
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The difference between the two cases, is that the McCanns left their daughter alone (unacceptable) but the Newbury woman left her kids in conditions of sqaulor for months on end, and left them alone on more than one occasion. The McCanns made a very selfish and costly mistake, the Newbury woman is guilty of prolonged systematic abuse.
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post Aug 5 2011, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Aug 5 2011, 12:47 PM) *
The difference between the two cases, is that the McCanns left their daughter alone (unacceptable) but the Newbury woman left her kids in conditions of sqaulor for months on end, and left them alone on more than one occasion. The McCanns made a very selfish and costly mistake, the Newbury woman is guilty of prolonged systematic abuse.


I agree with that in principle. However, the Public are 'supposed' to empathise with the McCanns and give to the 'Find Madeleine' appeal. If we were to give the Nwbury Woman £000's of pounds perhaps she could afford child care and not be such a 'bad mother'?No excuse for her behaviour but it's interesting how things pan out.
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post Aug 5 2011, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 5 2011, 12:45 PM) *
It is all supposition, but I am assuming they didn't deliberately get rid of their daughter. As the fate of Madeleine McCann is officially unknown to the authorities, I'll presume she was abducted by a third party. I take this to mean that the McCann's were not totally responsible for her disappearance. The point is, even if the parents were at home, it would not have meant their daughter was perfectly safe from abduction. In other words, leaving their children alone was not the only reason the abduction occurred.

At the end of the day, Madeleine McCann's disappearance was a horrible thing to happen, we can all agree on that.


Yes, I can agree on that..Actually debating over this, that and the other wont bring her back. I just find it terrible and it makes me so upset when I think of this, so i'm probably better off not discussing it anymore anyway.

(I think the situation with the Newbury women is slightly worse than the Mcanns for the time scale of neglect...All though I suspect Maddie is continuing to endure on going abuse - if she is alive sad.gif )
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post Aug 5 2011, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE (Rosewinelover @ Aug 5 2011, 01:49 PM) *
Yes, I can agree on that..Actually debating over this, that and the other wont bring her back. I just find it terrible and it makes me so upset when I think of this, so i'm probably better off not discussing it anymore anyway.

(I think the situation with the Newbury women is slightly worse than the Mcanns for the time scale of neglect...All though I suspect Maddie is continuing to endure on going abuse - if she is alive sad.gif )

I understand totally what you mean. As insensitive as it might sound, it is probably better not to dwell.
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post Aug 5 2011, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Aug 5 2011, 12:47 PM) *
..but the Newbury woman left her kids in conditions of sqaulor for months on end
I don't this is actually proven and I suspect this thread is getting dangerously near being deleted again as you are making assertions about a named individual based on what you read in one newspaper article.
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post Aug 5 2011, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 5 2011, 05:56 PM) *
I don't this is actually proven and I suspect this thread is getting dangerously near being deleted again as you are making assertions about a named individual based on what you read one newspaper article.


We all know how well the tabloids can print the truth
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post Aug 5 2011, 10:02 PM
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Well according that newspaper article she has pleaded guilty to it, and she has already been charged which kind of makes it more than just an allegation.
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