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Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 6 2018, 07:45 PM
Interesting and tragic case.
I fully sympathise with the home owner but has this not now set a precedent?
If you are being burgled violently do you have the right to protect you and your family by any means necessary?
Hopefully this makes burglars think twice. Though I doubt it as most have drug issues.
Posted by: x2lls Apr 6 2018, 08:28 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 6 2018, 08:45 PM) 
Interesting and tragic case.
I fully sympathise with the home owner but has this not now set a precedent?
If you are being burgled violently do you have the right to protect you and your family by any means necessary?
Hopefully this makes burglars think twice. Though I doubt it as most have drug issues.
I fully sympathise with the home owner but has this not now set a precedent?
If you are being burgled violently do you have the right to protect you and your family by any means necessary?
Hopefully this makes burglars think twice. Though I doubt it as most have drug issues.
The MSM always trawls out the rights you have to fight back in your own home according to law.
As far as I am concerned, if you cross a border, uninvited, you lose all rights and deserve what you get. Death included. kcuf the scum.
Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 6 2018, 08:45 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 6 2018, 08:45 PM)
Interesting and tragic case.
I fully sympathise with the home owner but has this not now set a precedent?
If you are being burgled violently do you have the right to protect you and your family by any means necessary?
Hopefully this makes burglars think twice. Though I doubt it as most have drug issues.
I fully sympathise with the home owner but has this not now set a precedent?
If you are being burgled violently do you have the right to protect you and your family by any means necessary?
Hopefully this makes burglars think twice. Though I doubt it as most have drug issues.
Yep.
Posted by: newres Apr 6 2018, 09:19 PM
I’d say if you go into someone’s home armed, you can’t complain if you get hurt. Rough justice, but hey ho.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 6 2018, 09:55 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 6 2018, 10:19 PM)
I’d say if you go into someone’s home armed, you can’t complain if you get hurt. Rough justice, but hey ho.
Do you think the lack of stop and search has emboldened the youth of London to more often than not be "tooled up" when they go out? I know racial profiling is a dreadful thing but what alternative is there? At the end of the day nearly all fatalities have been young and black. What do you suggest? I'm interested to hear the views of liberal minded people like yourself who would probably be anti stop and search. I know we have had cuts but London still has more police as a percentage of population than anywhere else in the UK.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 6 2018, 10:27 PM
Reasonable force is permitted, if they enter and you are in fear of your life or the lives of others you may use all reasonable force. What you may not do is attack someone trying to get out of the property nor can you harm someone who is fleeing the scene.
Posted by: newres Apr 7 2018, 04:49 AM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 6 2018, 10:55 PM)
Do you think the lack of stop and search has emboldened the youth of London to more often than not be "tooled up" when they go out? I know racial profiling is a dreadful thing but what alternative is there? At the end of the day nearly all fatalities have been young and black. What do you suggest? I'm interested to hear the views of liberal minded people like yourself who would probably be anti stop and search. I know we have had cuts but London still has more police as a percentage of population than anywhere else in the UK.
I don’t think stop and search was used fairly and hence why it was stopped. The average policeman is not very intelligent and used the power in a prejudicial way. However I don’t think that’s the “cause”. As an aside what happened to the police plan for graduate only entrance. The culture of the police really does need to change. They see themselves as deliverers of “justice” rather than upholding the law and seeking the truth.
Through all the abuse of Muslims recently I had thought that the greatest beneficiaries were the blacks as people stopped hating them for a while.
Back to your question though, the causes are the same causes affecting White deprived kids I think, but with the added problem of single mothers and young men that don’t stay around to be fathers. Add in drugs and turf wars. A single thing that could be done to help would be to legalise cannabis. This would end their income and stop much of the cause of the turf wars.
Short term, the solution to the problem is the same as many of our solutions - raise taxes, put more and better educated police on the street and reintroduce stop and search as well as focussed task forces on gang related violence and legalise cannabis. Unfortunately both raising taxes and legalising cannabis are taboo.
Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 7 2018, 08:27 AM
The question that I would like to pose is do people commit crimes because they are driven by some perverse reasoning that the end justifies the means or are they not aware that their actions are completely antisocial? The thought of committing burglary or sticking a knife in someone is a complete anathema to most, so why is it so prevalent? Is the drug problem the root cause or is it something a little more complex?
There are interesting parallels with the American position in that "the only way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good guy with one", seems to gaining application over here. If the law allowed I would carry a pistol just in case. Now that is not a sensible approach but my family,friends safety comes first and unless the powers that be get a grip I can see it becoming the norm.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 7 2018, 08:49 AM
Anyone legally holding a firearms licence may, if he needs to defend himself and providing no pre meditation is evident use a registered firearm in extreme cases. Said person would find it difficult to explain quite how the firearm was to hand and not locked securely away as required under the act but, if the defence offered was that he was in fear of his or a loved one's life and, if the assailant was armed, it would be unlikely to result in a successful prosecution.
Posted by: newres Apr 7 2018, 08:53 AM
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 7 2018, 09:27 AM)
The question that I would like to pose is do people commit crimes because they are driven by some perverse reasoning that the end justifies the means or are they not aware that their actions are completely antisocial? The thought of committing burglary or sticking a knife in someone is a complete anathema to most, so why is it so prevalent? Is the drug problem the root cause or is it something a little more complex?
There are interesting parallels with the American position in that "the only way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good guy with one", seems to gaining application over here. If the law allowed I would carry a pistol just in case. Now that is not a sensible approach but my family,friends safety comes first and unless the powers that be get a grip I can see it becoming the norm.
There are interesting parallels with the American position in that "the only way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good guy with one", seems to gaining application over here. If the law allowed I would carry a pistol just in case. Now that is not a sensible approach but my family,friends safety comes first and unless the powers that be get a grip I can see it becoming the norm.
There's an argument to say that withdrawing stop and search led to more people carrying guns because they know that those that might have been deterred by sus are no longer so deterred.
Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 7 2018, 09:12 AM
Reintroduce stop and search, start taking the seriously, a case was reported in the Newbury news a few weeks ago of a local man stabbed in the chest and the assailant not jailed, really? Get the community to work with the police. Most of this is gang related with much of it involving drugs and guns, both of which are flooding in from Eastern Europe, try stricter border controls, that might help.
Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 7 2018, 09:34 AM
I thought stop and search still existed? What was stopped was stop and search because they is black, in other words, it had to be for reasons other than the colour of their skin,
Posted by: On the edge Apr 7 2018, 11:53 AM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 7 2018, 10:34 AM)
I thought stop and search still existed? What was stopped was stop and search because they is black, in other words, it had to be for reasons other than the colour of their skin,
Exactly; the Met decided not to use these powers generally after formal enquiries revealed that they were abusing their authority usually in the way you describe.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 7 2018, 12:22 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 7 2018, 12:53 PM)
Exactly; the Met decided not to use these powers generally after formal enquiries revealed that they were abusing their authority usually in the way you describe.
They were using profiling. If you are young and black in London you are more likely to carry a knife or be a victim of a knife attack than white or asian youngsters. That's just an unfortunate fact. Abandoning profiling is a mistake. Its uncomfortable but the other choice is lots more dead black teenagers. You can't have it both ways.
Posted by: On the edge Apr 7 2018, 03:01 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 7 2018, 01:22 PM)
They were using profiling. If you are young and black in London you are more likely to carry a knife or be a victim of a knife attack than white or asian youngsters. That's just an unfortunate fact. Abandoning profiling is a mistake. Its uncomfortable but the other choice is lots more dead black teenagers. You can't have it both ways.
Ah yes, of course.
Then, the lads who did for Stephen Lawrence weren't black were they?
No, you can't have it both ways, but you can do your job properly.
Posted by: gel Apr 7 2018, 03:33 PM
Following the Tony Martin case some years back there was a change in the law, and householders
are now permitted to use "disproportionate force" when a burglar threatens
householder or other members of the family.
This is why this recent shooting (+ murder) of a burglar in Colnbrook didn't lead to a prosecution of
the householder.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-42100525
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 7 2018, 04:14 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 7 2018, 04:01 PM)
Ah yes, of course.
Then, the lads who did for Stephen Lawrence weren't black were they?
No, you can't have it both ways, but you can do your job properly.
Then, the lads who did for Stephen Lawrence weren't black were they?
No, you can't have it both ways, but you can do your job properly.
The Stephen Lawrence case was awful and they are WHITE scum, but this is the exception to the rule, if you look at pictures of fatalities this year.
Posted by: On the edge Apr 7 2018, 07:58 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 7 2018, 05:14 PM)
The Stephen Lawrence case was awful and they are WHITE scum, but this is the exception to the rule, if you look at pictures of fatalities this year.
It's quite a big exception if you take a period of time and do a proper analysis.
It's actually quite easy to properly justify 'shop and search' without using preset predudice and, ironically, secure a better clear up rate.
I'm sure you can see that not all black man is walking through an areas of high crime are criminals anymore than is the expectation that all lorry drivers are using a mobile phone whilst driving.
Posted by: newres Apr 8 2018, 05:30 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 7 2018, 08:58 PM)
It's quite a big exception if you take a period of time and do a proper analysis.
It's actually quite easy to properly justify 'shop and search' without using preset predudice and, ironically, secure a better clear up rate.
I'm sure you can see that not all black man is walking through an areas of high crime are criminals anymore than is the expectation that all lorry drivers are using a mobile phone whilst driving.
It's actually quite easy to properly justify 'shop and search' without using preset predudice and, ironically, secure a better clear up rate.
I'm sure you can see that not all black man is walking through an areas of high crime are criminals anymore than is the expectation that all lorry drivers are using a mobile phone whilst driving.
or all black men in BMWs are pimps or drug dealers. It’s not profiling, it’s prefudice and the average policeman on the beat isn’t too bright either although I think that’s changing.
Posted by: On the edge Apr 8 2018, 07:58 AM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 8 2018, 06:30 AM)
or all black men in BMWs are pimps or drug dealers. It’s not profiling, it’s prefudice and the average policeman on the beat isn’t too bright either although I think that’s changing.
Fortunatley it us beginning to change, but it's going to be a long time. One of the biggest problems has been the command structure; where essentially the 'best operator' gets the promotion. Fast track graduate entry is now becoming the norm and will eventually lead to properly educated and trained seniors.
Much as I might rail against it, the Police are a classic example demonstrating the benefits of the French and German approach to management and senior level roles, which are only avaliable to those who already hold academic qualification.
Posted by: newres Apr 8 2018, 10:09 AM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 7 2018, 05:14 PM)
The Stephen Lawrence case was awful and they are WHITE scum, but this is the exception to the rule, if you look at pictures of fatalities this year.
It’s a different type of crime though. Much of it is drug related I understood. Legalising cannabis would have a pretty immediate impact. In my day it was only really the more bohemian that smoked and dealers were that type too, but now it’s much more pervasive.
Posted by: newres Apr 8 2018, 10:09 AM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 7 2018, 05:14 PM)
The Stephen Lawrence case was awful and they are WHITE scum, but this is the exception to the rule, if you look at pictures of fatalities this year.
It’s a different type of crime though. Much of it is drug related I understood. Legalising cannabis would have a pretty immediate impact. In my day it was only really the more bohemian that smoked and dealers were that type too, but now it’s much more pervasive.
Posted by: newres Apr 8 2018, 11:15 AM
http://newsthump.com/2018/04/08/rise-in-crime-nothing-to-do-with-us-cutting-20000-police-insists-government-simpleton/
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 8 2018, 11:21 AM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 8 2018, 06:30 AM)
or all black men in BMWs are pimps or drug dealers. It’s not profiling, it’s prefudice and the average policeman on the beat isn’t too bright either although I think that’s changing.
I get what you are saying but I'd also suggest anyone in a 40k+ new beemer who doesn't have a "day job" should be looked into. Proof of earnings etc.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 8 2018, 11:26 AM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 8 2018, 11:09 AM)
It’s a different type of crime though. Much of it is drug related I understood. Legalising cannabis would have a pretty immediate impact. In my day it was only really the more bohemian that smoked and dealers were that type too, but now it’s much more pervasive.
And you know a lot about drugs do you Walter?? Cannabis? Really?
Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 8 2018, 11:28 AM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2018, 12:21 PM)
I get what you are saying but I'd also suggest anyone in a 40k+ new beemer who doesn't have a "day job" should be looked into. Proof of earnings etc.
Not if they're black! Heaven forbid!
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 8 2018, 11:32 AM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2018, 12:21 PM)
I get what you are saying but I'd also suggest anyone in a 40k+ new beemer who doesn't have a "day job" should be looked into. Proof of earnings etc.
In the gambling industry if people want to place a large wager they now have to provide proof of earnings before they can. This is to stop fraud and money laundering. Surely car dealerships should also have to do this as well? If a young man in his early 20s came into the dealership with 50k in used 20s... He shouldnt be able to leave with a car. Unless he can prove where he got the cash from.... Just saying. T
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 8 2018, 11:38 AM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 8 2018, 12:28 PM)
Not if they're black! Heaven forbid!
Good old Lammy..
https://inews.co.uk/news/david-lammy-police-officer-labour-london-murder-crime/
Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 8 2018, 11:40 AM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2018, 12:32 PM)
In the gambling industry if people want to place a large wager they now have to provide proof of earnings before they can. This is to stop fraud and money laundering. Surely car dealerships should also have to do this as well? If a young man in his early 20s came into the dealership with 50k in used 20s... He shouldnt be able to leave with a car. Unless he can prove where he got the cash from.... Just saying. T
I can see them agreeing with that ok, can you imagine the uproar? Damaging car sales? Oh no! If I want to invest in a new fund I have to prove where the money's come from but I can walk into a showroom, spend 85k on a car, no questions asked. Crazy!
Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 8 2018, 11:42 AM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2018, 12:38 PM)
Good old Lammy..
https://inews.co.uk/news/david-lammy-police-officer-labour-london-murder-crime/
https://inews.co.uk/news/david-lammy-police-officer-labour-london-murder-crime/
Labour, opportunists to the core, never mind young kids are dying, let's just lie and spin.
Posted by: On the edge Apr 8 2018, 12:10 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2018, 12:32 PM)
In the gambling industry if people want to place a large wager they now have to provide proof of earnings before they can. This is to stop fraud and money laundering. Surely car dealerships should also have to do this as well? If a young man in his early 20s came into the dealership with 50k in used 20s... He shouldnt be able to leave with a car. Unless he can prove where he got the cash from.... Just saying. T
Frankly, the crooks I'd like to stop are 'white businessmen' buying boats on the Med - might save a few pension funds.
This profiling lark is great fun isn't it.
Posted by: newres Apr 8 2018, 12:37 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2018, 12:21 PM)
I get what you are saying but I'd also suggest anyone in a 40k+ new beemer who doesn't have a "day job" should be looked into. Proof of earnings etc.
So how on earth would a policeman know that the person didn’t have a day job?
Posted by: newres Apr 8 2018, 12:40 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2018, 12:38 PM)
Good old Lammy..
https://inews.co.uk/news/david-lammy-police-officer-labour-london-murder-crime/
https://inews.co.uk/news/david-lammy-police-officer-labour-london-murder-crime/
Oh dear.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 8 2018, 12:40 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 8 2018, 01:37 PM)
So how on earth would a policeman know that the person didn’t have a day job?
Excuse me sir, I am investigating proceeds from criminal activity. Can you please provide details of your current and past employment? Nothing to worry about. Just a standard check.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 8 2018, 12:43 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 8 2018, 01:37 PM)
So how on earth would a policeman know that the person didn’t have a day job?
It's called "an investigation" gettit?
Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 8 2018, 12:43 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 8 2018, 01:40 PM)
Oh dear.
Yeah, labour ***** up again!
Posted by: newres Apr 8 2018, 12:51 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 8 2018, 01:43 PM)
It's called "an investigation" gettit?
What, so you stop a black man for driving a BMW, ask him if he’s got a job and call it an investigation? Do you see why an education might be helpful in this example?
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 8 2018, 01:18 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 8 2018, 01:51 PM)
What, so you stop a black man for driving a BMW, ask him if he’s got a job and call it an investigation? Do you see why an education might be helpful in this example?
Well yes. If he was in his early 20s in a high powered motor vehicle with tinted windows in a notorious gangland area. I suppose you would let him carry on. Nothing to see here. You may as well help him sell his drugs.😂
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 8 2018, 01:20 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 8 2018, 01:51 PM)
What, so you stop a black man for driving a BMW, ask him if he’s got a job and call it an investigation? Do you see why an education might be helpful in this example?
I'd also stop a white man in his early 20s doing the same thing. Its not about race. Its about common sense.
Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 8 2018, 01:37 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 8 2018, 01:37 PM)
So how on earth would a policeman know that the person didn’t have a day job?
Maybe he could ask?
Posted by: Cognosco Apr 8 2018, 02:00 PM
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 8 2018, 01:37 PM)
Maybe he could ask?
Well he could be the same as a few that post on here. I am a high powered business person with a large yacht and this high powered Range Rover officer. I employ numerous workers and care for them properly.
Oh sorry to have bothered you then Sir please excuse me I will go and hassle some proper criminals then!
Posted by: newres Apr 8 2018, 03:22 PM
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 8 2018, 02:37 PM)
Maybe he could ask?
So in other words stop him because he's black.
Posted by: On the edge Apr 8 2018, 04:04 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2018, 02:20 PM)
I'd also stop a white man in his early 20s doing the same thing. Its not about race. Its about common sense.
What about an white older man in a boiler suit? I'm seriously interested in what degree of graduation your profiles would have? So far my list would almost double the Police budget.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 8 2018, 04:11 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 8 2018, 05:04 PM)
What about an white older man in a boiler suit? I'm seriously interested in what degree of graduation your profiles would have? So far my list would almost double the Police budget.
Your just being daft. An epidemic of black on black killings is taking place. Fine. Just ignore it for fear of being accused of racism.
Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 8 2018, 05:35 PM
QUOTE (Cognosco @ Apr 8 2018, 03:00 PM)
Well he could be the same as a few that post on here. I am a high powered business person with a large yacht and this high powered Range Rover officer. I employ numerous workers and care for them properly.
Oh sorry to have bothered you then Sir please excuse me I will go and hassle some proper criminals then!
Oh sorry to have bothered you then Sir please excuse me I will go and hassle some proper criminals then!
He's got a boat, not a yacht, as you would know if you bothered to find out. I've got a boat as well, never once described it as a yacht though, perhaps just your prejudice showing through?
Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 8 2018, 05:37 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2018, 05:11 PM)
Your just being daft. An epidemic of black on black killings is taking place. Fine. Just ignore it for fear of being accused of racism.
It's far, far easier to use it as a political weapon than do something about it. Not their children bleeding out in a shop doorway.
Posted by: newres Apr 8 2018, 05:42 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 8 2018, 06:37 PM)
It's far, far easier to use it as a political weapon than do something about it. Not their children bleeding out in a shop doorway.
Well if it’s for the protection of black people why aren’t they campaigning to be “profiled”?
Posted by: On the edge Apr 8 2018, 06:12 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2018, 05:11 PM)
Your just being daft. An epidemic of black on black killings is taking place. Fine. Just ignore it for fear of being accused of racism.
Err no, look at the ALL Police stats nationwide; just try some professional and dispassionate analysis.
Posted by: On the edge Apr 8 2018, 06:16 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 8 2018, 06:35 PM)
He's got a boat, not a yacht, as you would know if you bothered to find out. I've got a boat as well, never once described it as a yacht though, perhaps just your prejudice showing through?
Err, I read this as a jibe against 'Sir' Philip Green, who I'd mentioned in a previous post. Raw nerves touched again!!!
Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 8 2018, 06:35 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 8 2018, 07:16 PM)
Err, I read this as a jibe against 'Sir' Philip Green, who I'd mentioned in a previous post. Raw nerves touched again!!!
Didn't realise Sir Phillip posted on here?
Posted by: On the edge Apr 8 2018, 07:11 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 8 2018, 07:35 PM)
Didn't realise Sir Phillip posted on here?
.....might as well finish the bottle!
Posted by: Cognosco Apr 8 2018, 07:14 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 8 2018, 05:35 PM)
He's got a boat, not a yacht, as you would know if you bothered to find out. I've got a boat as well, never once described it as a yacht though, perhaps just your prejudice showing through?
Prejudice? I would have to bow to your superior knowledge on that subject of course! Touches forelock and exits stage left!
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 8 2018, 08:37 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 8 2018, 07:12 PM)
Err no, look at the ALL Police stats nationwide; just try some professional and dispassionate analysis.
So black on black killings are not happening? What pray you suggest?
Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 9 2018, 12:38 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 8 2018, 08:11 PM)
.....might as well finish the bottle!
Sorry??
Posted by: On the edge Apr 9 2018, 06:32 AM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 8 2018, 09:37 PM)
So black on black killings are not happening? What pray you suggest?
No, I didn't say that. 'Black on black' killings are happening, at the same time, exactly similar and just as horrific crime waves are occurring in other places too. You only seem able to concern yourself with one specific problem.
The violence in question is essentially a noticeable increase in gang warfare. In this specific case, the gangs are primarily black. However, as has been pointed out, other gangs are predominantly yellow, white or brown.
For a long time, I've been helping to campaign against the front line Police, Administration of Justice and Punishment cuts which had previously been making some inroads to reducing the effects of these crimes. It's been a very serious issue for quite some time.
On the other hand, you've chosen to notice the problem when black people are mentioned. Any reason for not noticing before?
Posted by: newres Apr 9 2018, 07:03 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 9 2018, 07:32 AM)
No, I didn't say that. 'Black on black' killings are happening, at the same time, exactly similar and just as horrific crime waves are occurring in other places too. You only seem able to concern yourself with one specific problem.
The violence in question is essentially a noticeable increase in gang warfare. In this specific case, the gangs are primarily black. However, as has been pointed out, other gangs are predominantly yellow, white or brown.
For a long time, I've been helping to campaign against the front line Police, Administration of Justice and Punishment cuts which had previously been making some inroads to reducing the effects of these crimes. It's been a very serious issue for quite some time.
On the other hand, you've chosen to notice the problem when black people are mentioned. Any reason for not noticing before?
The violence in question is essentially a noticeable increase in gang warfare. In this specific case, the gangs are primarily black. However, as has been pointed out, other gangs are predominantly yellow, white or brown.
For a long time, I've been helping to campaign against the front line Police, Administration of Justice and Punishment cuts which had previously been making some inroads to reducing the effects of these crimes. It's been a very serious issue for quite some time.
On the other hand, you've chosen to notice the problem when black people are mentioned. Any reason for not noticing before?
Newbury Today forum were dealing with the Muslims for a while but we’re back to blacks now. Normal service resumed.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 9 2018, 08:49 AM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 9 2018, 08:03 AM)
Newbury Today forum were dealing with the Muslims for a while but we’re back to blacks now. Normal service resumed.
Oh dear god. You see racism everywhere. Im glad I dont see life through your 👀
Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 9 2018, 09:18 AM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 9 2018, 08:03 AM)
Newbury Today forum were dealing with the Muslims for a while but we’re back to blacks now. Normal service resumed.
Sad little troll, trying for another fight he can run away from. Nothing to see here folks, move along.
Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 9 2018, 09:21 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 9 2018, 07:32 AM)
On the other hand, you've chosen to notice the problem when black people are mentioned. Any reason for not noticing before?
Difficult not to notice when it's plastered all over the media and black community leaders are being interviewed.
Posted by: On the edge Apr 9 2018, 10:23 AM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 9 2018, 10:21 AM)
Difficult not to notice when it's plastered all over the media and black community leaders are being interviewed.
That's a facinating insight from people who claim to get their news from a wide range of sources using their own powers to determine the strength and accuracy of the reports. From my perspective, the reactions here suggest that the right wing media oligarchy have a free run. A massive concern for those of us who believe in a free press.
Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 9 2018, 10:37 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 9 2018, 11:23 AM)
That's a facinating insight from people who claim to get their news from a wide range of sources using their own powers to determine the strength and accuracy of the reports. From my perspective, the reactions here suggest that the right wing media oligarchy have a free run. A massive concern for those of us who believe in a free press.
Right wing media like the BBC and the Guardian? Oh really? Stop pontificating, all your trying to do is to spam yet another thread.
Posted by: On the edge Apr 9 2018, 11:50 AM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 9 2018, 11:37 AM)
Right wing media like the BBC and the Guardian? Oh really? Stop pontificating, all your trying to do is to spam yet another thread.
How about trying to make a sensible contribution; you know you could if you put the bottle down?
Posted by: Cognosco Apr 9 2018, 12:17 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 9 2018, 10:37 AM)
Right wing media like the BBC and the Guardian? Oh really? Stop pontificating, all your trying to do is to spam yet another thread.
I do believe he is trying to suggest that you try to locate all sources, other than mega rich press barons of course, even if they do not agree with your currently held opinions?
"There is none so blind as those that cannot see"
Posted by: newres Apr 9 2018, 02:29 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 9 2018, 11:23 AM)
That's a facinating insight from people who claim to get their news from a wide range of sources using their own powers to determine the strength and accuracy of the reports. From my perspective, the reactions here suggest that the right wing media oligarchy have a free run. A massive concern for those of us who believe in a free press.
Most worrying is how things that are burning issues for the nation can suddenly be forgotten if the press want us to forget them for example the Brexit deal. Totally ignored including the potential break up of the UK in favour of the so called Russian assassination attempt which was hyped by Boris Johnson the leader of the Brexit campaign.
Posted by: newres Apr 9 2018, 02:29 PM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 9 2018, 10:18 AM)
Sad little troll, trying for another fight he can run away from. Nothing to see here folks, move along.
Learn some manners.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 9 2018, 03:41 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 9 2018, 12:50 PM)
How about trying to make a sensible contribution; you know you could if you put the bottle down?
Are you insinuating that TM is in some way a drunk? what a nasty little man you are. I also think you and Newres are in fact one and the same, same petty sniping, same attempted deflection from the argument, same rambling on about nothing relevant. yep same person, different log ins.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 9 2018, 03:42 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 9 2018, 03:29 PM)
Learn some manners.
Who's he going to learn them from? You? You nasty little guttersnipe. sorry OTE been rumbled.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 9 2018, 03:43 PM
QUOTE (Cognosco @ Apr 9 2018, 01:17 PM)
I do believe he is trying to suggest that you try to locate all sources, other than mega rich press barons of course, even if they do not agree with your currently held opinions?
"There is none so blind as those that cannot see"
"There is none so blind as those that cannot see"
He said the sources came from the BBC and the Guardian so you're not even making any sense.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Apr 9 2018, 06:07 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 9 2018, 04:43 PM)
He said the sources came from the BBC and the Guardian so you're not even making any sense.
I think newres and co get most of the news they consume from C4 and Russia Today..😂
Posted by: On the edge Apr 9 2018, 06:51 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 9 2018, 03:29 PM)
Most worrying is how things that are burning issues for the nation can suddenly be forgotten if the press want us to forget them for example the Brexit deal. Totally ignored including the potential break up of the UK in favour of the so called Russian assassination attempt which was hyped by Boris Johnson the leader of the Brexit campaign.
Very much so, it would be facinating to know who is in the 'inner circle' so to speak.
Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 9 2018, 06:57 PM
QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 9 2018, 07:07 PM)
I think newres and co get most of the news they consume from C4 and Russia Today..😂
I think that after reading his fanciful posts (newres / ote seems to think there is a magical cabal at work now), that the best he can manage is the Beano.
Posted by: On the edge Apr 9 2018, 06:59 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 9 2018, 04:41 PM)
Are you insinuating that TM is in some way a drunk? what a nasty little man you are. I also think you and Newres are in fact one and the same, same petty sniping, same attempted deflection from the argument, same rambling on about nothing relevant. yep same person, different log ins.
Respond like a drunk, incoherent like a drunk, get called a drunk. I'm also able to confirm Newsres and I are different people. I don't need aliases to support my views, thanks. That would be adopting the same base behaviours you perpetually demonstrate. Do you need professional help, worth thinking about?
Posted by: On the edge Apr 9 2018, 07:00 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 9 2018, 07:57 PM)
I think that after reading his fanciful posts (newres / ote seems to think there is a magical cabal at work now), that the best he can manage is the Beano.
At least I can read.
Posted by: Cognosco Apr 9 2018, 07:02 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 9 2018, 03:43 PM)
He said the sources came from the BBC and the Guardian so you're not even making any sense.
Not very difficult to baffle you is it?
Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 10 2018, 12:25 AM
QUOTE (Cognosco @ Apr 9 2018, 08:02 PM)
Not very difficult to baffle you is it?
Nor you Sir, it would seem.
Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 10 2018, 12:26 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 9 2018, 08:00 PM)
At least I can read.
But not well.
Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 10 2018, 12:40 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 9 2018, 07:59 PM)
Respond like a drunk, incoherent like a drunk, get called a drunk. I'm also able to confirm Newsres and I are different people. I don't need aliases to support my views, thanks. That would be adopting the same base behaviours you perpetually demonstrate. Do you need professional help, worth thinking about?
The only help you need is with your manners, and perhaps with the company you keep.
Posted by: Turin Machine Apr 10 2018, 12:40 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 9 2018, 07:59 PM)
Respond like a drunk, incoherent like a drunk, get called a drunk. I'm also able to confirm Newsres and I are different people. I don't need aliases to support my views, thanks. That would be adopting the same base behaviours you perpetually demonstrate. Do you need professional help, worth thinking about?
The only help you need is with your manners, and perhaps with the company you keep.
Posted by: On the edge Apr 10 2018, 07:42 AM
QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 10 2018, 01:40 AM)
The only help you need is with your manners, and perhaps with the company you keep.
Just like JSC you really don't like it thrown back do you? Classic schoolboy bully behaviour. I don't think you, or your boorish friends, quite understand what manners are.
Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 10 2018, 08:21 AM
Once more a relevant topic of conversation degenerates into a mud slinging fracas. As my old form master to used to say when dealing with squabbling 3rd formers "I have no wish to know who started it only to inform you that I am the one to end it".
By all means criticise the opinion but name calling is neither nice for the recipient nor those who wish to make a valid point.
Posted by: Biker1 Apr 10 2018, 08:46 AM
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 10 2018, 09:21 AM)
Once more a relevant topic of conversation degenerates into a mud slinging fracas. As my old form master to used to say when dealing with squabbling 3rd formers "I have no wish to know who started it only to inform you that I am the one to end it".
By all means criticise the opinion but name calling is neither nice for the recipient nor those who wish to make a valid point.
By all means criticise the opinion but name calling is neither nice for the recipient nor those who wish to make a valid point.
Tried to attach a "thumbs up" symbol but buggered if I know how to do it so have to make do with this................
Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 10 2018, 09:07 AM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 10 2018, 09:46 AM)
Tried to attach a "thumbs up" symbol but buggered if I know how to do it so have to make do with this................
Thank you. I don't know either which is why we use words instead of symbols. Didn't the Egyptians use a similar form of communications before the development of the alphabet?
Maybe we are actually going backwards without knowing it?
Posted by: On the edge Apr 10 2018, 10:16 AM
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 10 2018, 09:21 AM)
Once more a relevant topic of conversation degenerates into a mud slinging fracas. As my old form master to used to say when dealing with squabbling 3rd formers "I have no wish to know who started it only to inform you that I am the one to end it".
By all means criticise the opinion but name calling is neither nice for the recipient nor those who wish to make a valid point.
By all means criticise the opinion but name calling is neither nice for the recipient nor those who wish to make a valid point.
Too late, Sir William, too late.
Posted by: The Hatter Apr 10 2018, 11:47 AM
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 10 2018, 09:21 AM)
Once more a relevant topic of conversation degenerates into a mud slinging fracas. As my old form master to used to say when dealing with squabbling 3rd formers "I have no wish to know who started it only to inform you that I am the one to end it".
By all means criticise the opinion but name calling is neither nice for the recipient nor those who wish to make a valid point.
By all means criticise the opinion but name calling is neither nice for the recipient nor those who wish to make a valid point.
It's probably just coincidence, but these little notes of yours seem only to appear when certain posters here have been dished back what they can't stop
doing themselves.
Posted by: newres Apr 10 2018, 02:10 PM
QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 10 2018, 09:21 AM)
Once more a relevant topic of conversation degenerates into a mud slinging fracas. As my old form master to used to say when dealing with squabbling 3rd formers "I have no wish to know who started it only to inform you that I am the one to end it".
By all means criticise the opinion but name calling is neither nice for the recipient nor those who wish to make a valid point.
By all means criticise the opinion but name calling is neither nice for the recipient nor those who wish to make a valid point.
Unfortunately there's no end to it. As soon as some horrendous views on here are challenged, the insults start. It's possible to be robust without resorting to name calling. I admit in the last week lowering myself to it when accusing one particularly unpleasant member of being a drunk. In my defence, the posts from the person concerned often contain clear evidence of not reading properly what's written and incoherent name calling.
Posted by: Andy Capp Apr 10 2018, 02:27 PM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Apr 10 2018, 09:46 AM)
Tried to attach a "thumbs up" symbol but buggered if I know how to do it so have to make do with this................
Posted by: SirWilliam Apr 10 2018, 02:28 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 10 2018, 03:27 PM)
Quite impressive.
Posted by: Berkshirelad Apr 11 2018, 01:12 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 6 2018, 11:27 PM)
Reasonable force is permitted, if they enter and you are in fear of your life or the lives of others you may use all reasonable force. What you may not do is attack someone trying to get out of the property nor can you harm someone who is fleeing the scene.
It's always best to ensure that he Police only have your statement to take. No danger of confusion then...
Posted by: Berkshirelad Apr 11 2018, 01:15 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 8 2018, 12:42 PM)
Labour, opportunists to the core, never mind young kids are dying, let's just lie and spin.
He just can't see a bandwagon without jumping on...
Posted by: je suis Charlie Apr 11 2018, 03:02 PM
QUOTE (newres @ Apr 10 2018, 03:10 PM)
Unfortunately there's no end to it. As soon as some horrendous views on here are challenged, the insults start. It's possible to be robust without resorting to name calling. I admit in the last week lowering myself to it when accusing one particularly unpleasant member of being a drunk. In my defence, the posts from the person concerned often contain clear evidence of not reading properly what's written and incoherent name calling.
State these 'horrendous' views. And lets not pretend you're innocent of being abusive either.
Posted by: Cognosco Apr 11 2018, 09:27 PM
QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 11 2018, 03:02 PM)
State these 'horrendous' views. And lets not pretend you're innocent of being abusive either.
So normal service has resumed!
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