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Simon Kirby
post Jun 24 2016, 08:04 PM
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It seems a reasonable enough time for David Cameron to move over, but who next?

It might be nice if there wasn't any "leader" at all - it's an anachronism and harks back to a time when states were ruled by an absolute monarch, which itself is just a vestige of some primitive stone-age governance. Parliamentary democracy is not a bad system and all this cult of personality leaves me cold.

Anyhoo, that's not likely to happen, and I'm wondering who's going to get the nod as the Conservatives' next leader. Gove is being talked-up, and I'd quite like that because he's so objectionable he'd likely loose them the next election. Boris Johnson might be a reasonable choice as he's on the liberal wing of the party and not a complete ****, and even if he does play the fool he's certainly not one.


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post Jun 24 2016, 11:15 PM
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A lot depends on the MPs - how many of them were really, solidly pro-EU and bear a grudge.

Gove - objectionable, but I'm not sure any Tory leader could lose the next election. Strikes me as an honest politician - a rare trait, probably makes him unelectable as leader.

Johnson - buffoon, but otherwise another Bullingdon boy - I suspect his blatant use of the EU issue for his own ambition might leave him with a lot of enemies in the Parliamentary party. If MPs believe his PR they might elect him in the belief that he's a shoo in at the next election.

May - kept quiet during the referendum, acted like a loyal lieutenant who didn't really agree with the boss - is not too pro-EU to lack credibility in the EU exit negotiations.

Osborne - don't think he's a viable candidate unless the party is seriously upset with Gove and Johnson.

Fallon, Hammond, Grayling - outsiders.

Real outsider Ruth Davidson - any by-elections due in the next couple of months?

Bottom line - I haven't got a clue!
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post Jun 25 2016, 05:52 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 25 2016, 12:15 AM) *
A lot depends on the MPs - how many of them were really, solidly pro-EU and bear a grudge.

Gove - objectionable, but I'm not sure any Tory leader could lose the next election. Strikes me as an honest politician - a rare trait, probably makes him unelectable as leader.

Johnson - buffoon, but otherwise another Bullingdon boy - I suspect his blatant use of the EU issue for his own ambition might leave him with a lot of enemies in the Parliamentary party. If MPs believe his PR they might elect him in the belief that he's a shoo in at the next election.

May - kept quiet during the referendum, acted like a loyal lieutenant who didn't really agree with the boss - is not too pro-EU to lack credibility in the EU exit negotiations.

Osborne - don't think he's a viable candidate unless the party is seriously upset with Gove and Johnson.

Fallon, Hammond, Grayling - outsiders.

Real outsider Ruth Davidson - any by-elections due in the next couple of months?

Bottom line - I haven't got a clue!


Interesting that you think an honest politician is unelectable!
Rather sums up the disconnect between the public and Westminster.
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post Jun 25 2016, 07:33 AM
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David Cameron is one of those vary rare politicians who doesn't need the job to keep him in a very comfortable lifestyle. He's also someone who doesn't do things without thought or planning. He's also said several times that he doesn't want to serve beyond his present term.

Therefore, I'd suggest that he has actually delivered what that they've needed for this past 40 years; something that keeps the party broadly together. He's 'out Baldwined, Baldwin'. My view, the whole thing is planned, a 'yes' would have also seen him end his term this time.

So who do the Tory Leadership see as being on the candidate this? I suspect the ticket is quite simple, Johnson, Gove or May. All have played their role in round one of the selection process impeccably.

What round two looks like will be interesting though.


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post Jun 25 2016, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 25 2016, 08:33 AM) *
David Cameron is one of those vary rare politicians who doesn't need the job to keep him in a very comfortable lifestyle.


Not so rare in the Conservative Party - and once you've had the top job you're set for life anyway.
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post Jun 25 2016, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 25 2016, 06:03 PM) *
Not so rare in the Conservative Party - and once you've had the top job you're set for life anyway.


Yes very true; good example here!


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post Jun 25 2016, 08:26 PM
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And it won't be Corbyn, loosser
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post Jun 25 2016, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 25 2016, 09:26 PM) *
And it won't be Corbyn, loosser

Umm that's what was said about Clement Attlee...be careful what you wish for.


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post Jun 25 2016, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 25 2016, 09:57 PM) *
Umm that's what was said about Clement Attlee...be careful what you wish for.

Another Atlee would do very nicely - if only there was one around.
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post Jun 26 2016, 06:01 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 25 2016, 11:57 PM) *
Another Atlee would do very nicely - if only there was one around.


Amen to that.


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post Jun 26 2016, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 25 2016, 06:03 PM) *
Not so rare in the Conservative Party - and once you've had the top job you're set for life anyway.

Or Labour!
Or is Tony Blair scraping the barrel these days?
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post Jun 26 2016, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 26 2016, 09:52 AM) *
Or Labour!
Or is Tony Blair scraping the barrel these days?


Actually, the comments made here have changed my view. Cameron probably simply didn't care, just took and stayed in office to enjoy the perks of power. Nothing more than that.

The Labour side is actually far worse.

Tony Blair has set himself up for life. He's simply just copying. The people's party don't go for the hereditary stuff do they? So we are 't likely to see generations of Blairs, Kinnocks, Straws, (or the one who gave it up) Benn's are we? laugh.gif


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post Jun 26 2016, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 26 2016, 02:40 PM) *
Actually, the comments made here have changed my view. Cameron probably simply didn't care, just took and stayed in office to enjoy the perks of power. Nothing more than that.

The Labour side is actually far worse.

Tony Blair has set himself up for life. He's simply just copying. The people's party don't go for the hereditary stuff do they? So we are 't likely to see generations of Blairs, Kinnocks, Straws, (or the one who gave it up) Benn's are we? laugh.gif


They can't even form an opposition let alone a government.... sad state of affairs. Corbyn is going to be sat round his shadow cabinet table with John McDonnell. They have a lot of jobs to cover... LOL!
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post Jun 26 2016, 04:07 PM
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[I guess Chilcott is out soon. I expect lots of redactions to cover Blair. Otherwise he may end up in the Hague...
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post Jun 26 2016, 05:57 PM
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Odd isn't it, the wannabe blue parties seem to have taken in much water. LibDems and nu Labour both seem to have run along side an iceberg. Might this mean the emergence of a real left wing party?



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post Jun 26 2016, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 26 2016, 06:57 PM) *
Odd isn't it, the wannabe blue parties seem to have taken in much water. LibDems and nu Labour both seem to have run along side an iceberg. Might this mean the emergence of a real left wing party?


Hope so. Would give people a real choice. Power to the people!
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post Jun 26 2016, 09:31 PM
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Perhaps New Labour and the Tory left (okay, the Tory not so right) will get together in a new centrist party while Corbyn takes the left wing and Gove the right.
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post Jun 29 2016, 08:54 AM
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I'd love to have Boris as PM. He's hilarious.


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post Jul 3 2016, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Jun 29 2016, 09:54 AM) *
I'd love to have Boris as PM. He's hilarious.


Looks as if he'd been a bit too hilarious!

Still, we are going to get a polished Mrs Thatcher; public school boys love matron, so they are digging in for the long haul.


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post Jul 3 2016, 07:37 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jul 3 2016, 07:01 PM) *
Still, we are going to get a polished Mrs Thatcher

The article which was going to be in the Daily Torygraph makes interesting reading. So damaging did May’s campaign think it that they insisted it be removed or the newspaper would suffer consequences after her coronation…

Reproduced in full on Guido Fawkes webpage though
Guido Fawkes - Theresa May
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Indeed Theresa May is to Westminster what Cersei Lannister is to Westeros in Game of Thrones: no one who challenges her survives undamaged, while the welfare of the realm is of secondary concern.

Take the demoralised, underfunded UK Border Force. As the public discovered after a people-smugglers’ vessel ran aground in May, it has has only three cutters protecting 7,700 miles of coastline. Italy by contrast has 600 boats patrolling its 4722 miles.



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David Laws’ memoirs paint a vivid picture of a secretive, rigid, controlling, even vengeful minister, so unpleasant to colleagues that a dread of meetings with her was something that cabinet members from both parties could bond over.

Unsurprisingly, Mrs May’s overwhelming concern with taking credit and deflecting blame made for a difficult working relationship with her department, just as her propensity for briefing the press against cabinet colleagues made her its most disliked member in two successive governments.

It is possible that Mrs May’s intimidating ruthlessness could make her the right person to negotiate with EU leaders. However, there’s little in her record to suggest she possesses either strong negotiation skills or the ability to win allies among other leaders, unlike Michael Gove, of whom David Laws wrote “it was possible to disagree with him but impossible to dislike him,”

It’s surely about time – and not too late – for conservatives to look behind Mrs May’s carefully-wrought image and consider if she really is the right person to lead the party and the country.

There’s a vast gulf between being effective in office, and being effective at promoting yourself; it’s not one that Theresa May has yet crossed.
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