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post Aug 23 2011, 06:43 PM
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Hungerford man accused of inciting disorder during riots

I wonder whether folk in West Berkshire think that if found guilty the same punishment should be given to him as the two lads that got four years for what I suspect was something fairly similar.

I guess this does prove one thing, that those that doubted the reach and influence of Social Media were wrong.
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post Aug 23 2011, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 23 2011, 07:43 PM) *
I wonder whether folk in West Berkshire think than the same punishment should be given to him as the two lads that got four years for what I suspect was something fairly similar.

For starters, he has to be found guilty! Second, we would have to understand any mitigation.

QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 23 2011, 07:43 PM) *
I guess this does prove one thing, that those that doubted the reach and influence of Social Media were wrong.

What do you mean?
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post Aug 23 2011, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 23 2011, 07:48 PM) *
For starters, he has to be found guilty! Second, we would have to understand any mitigation.
Well yes, of course if found guilty.

I thought that would be obvious but I've amended my post accordingly.
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post Aug 23 2011, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 23 2011, 07:43 PM) *
I guess this does prove one thing, that those that doubted the reach and influence of Social Media were wrong.

? As the trouble he was allegedly inciting did not happen I suggest that this shows that social media are not as influential as some might like to think.
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post Aug 23 2011, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Aug 23 2011, 07:52 PM) *
? As the trouble he was allegedly inciting did not happen I suggest that this shows that social media are not as influential as some might like to think.
Many shops, pubs and the cinema closed early because of rumours spread through social media, though I'm not suggesting that this was the work of the bloke named in the article.
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post Aug 23 2011, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 23 2011, 07:51 PM) *
Well yes, of course if found guilty. I thought that would be obvious but I've amended my post accordingly.

It is the sort of point I would expect you to make if it were posted by someone else! wink.gif

We then need to know of any mitigation. I would imagine he's 'bricking' himself at the moment. I wonder if the stiff sentencing will put 'casual' looters off?
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post Aug 23 2011, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 23 2011, 08:06 PM) *
Then we need to know of any mitigation. I would imagine he's 'bricking' himself at the moment. I wonder if the stiff sentencing will put 'casual' looters off?

Define "stiff sentencing".
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post Aug 23 2011, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2011, 08:08 PM) *
Define "stiff sentencing".

It is widely acknowledged that the punishments have been stiff compared to precedent.
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post Aug 23 2011, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 23 2011, 08:11 PM) *
It is widely acknowledged that the punishments have been stiff compared to precedent.

So the correct word is stiffer?
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post Aug 23 2011, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2011, 09:18 PM) *
So the correct word is stiffer?

stiff or stiffer....... does it matter that much?
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post Aug 23 2011, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2011, 09:18 PM) *
So the correct word is stiffer?

If you are just here to pick an argument, you will have to seek someone else to play with.
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post Aug 23 2011, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Aug 23 2011, 09:21 PM) *
stiff or stiffer....... does it matter that much?

Yes, because these people are being handed out stiffer than normal sentences as AC pointed out but, in my opinion, they are not stiff sentences.
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post Aug 23 2011, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2011, 10:05 PM) *
Yes, because these people are being handed out stiffer than normal sentences as AC pointed out but, in my opinion, they are not stiff sentences.

I'd say 4 years gaol for a victimless crime is stiff, however; the point I was making was I suspect that the sentences dished out will most likely put people off who were not previously known criminals, from joining in on any future looting (or any that have not joined in yet, but might have considered it in the future).
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post Aug 23 2011, 09:11 PM
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There is no such thing as a victimless crime, as an intelligent man you should understand this


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post Aug 23 2011, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 23 2011, 10:08 PM) *
I'd say 4 years gaol for a victimless crime is stiff,

Yes I thought we might differ on that one.
Leave it there eh?
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post Aug 23 2011, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Aug 23 2011, 10:11 PM) *
There is no such thing as a victimless crime, as an intelligent man you should understand this

I disagree, and as you're an apparently intelligent man, I would expect you to understand my use of this figure of speech.
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post Aug 23 2011, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2011, 10:11 PM) *
Yes I thought we might differ on that one. Leave it there eh?

As we are arguing different points, I feel you are being a little premature to state we differ (although I strongly suspect you will be proved right). You have seemingly high-jacked my post to suit your political position on the justice system.
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post Aug 24 2011, 07:35 AM
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This bloke tried to incite a riot. There can be no mitigating circumstances to excuse this action.
He deserves to get 4 years and I hope he does.


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post Aug 24 2011, 07:36 AM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Aug 23 2011, 09:21 PM) *
stiff or stiffer....... does it matter that much?

Might do to some people. wink.gif


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post Aug 24 2011, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Aug 24 2011, 08:35 AM) *
This bloke tried to incite a riot. There can be no mitigating circumstances to excuse this action.

In a fair world, there is always room for mitigation, should there be any.
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