Prison Options

[TallDarkAndHands...]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia_pacific/10432294.stm

Now this is a good idea. Let's adopt it in the UK.

[GMR]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia_pacific/10432294.stm

Now this is a good idea. Let's adopt it in the UK.

Why not just put them in prison under the sea... that will save us a lot of money.

[Exhausted]

Why not just put them in prison under the sea... that will save us a lot of money.

Ok, I'm lost, how does stopping them smoking, morph to undersea activity in your mind.

[GMR]

Ok, I'm lost, how does stopping them smoking, morph to undersea activity in your mind.

Well..... they won't do it again. Death can have that affect on one

[x2lls]

It's a preventative measure alright, a cost saving one...........

'and reduce the number of prison officers suing the government for being exposed to second-hand smoke.'

[Bloggo]

Ok, I'm lost, how does stopping them smoking, morph to undersea activity in your mind.

The sea water makes the ciggies and matches damp so they can't light up.

[GMR]

The sea water makes the ciggies and matches damp so they can't light up.

That is also true... and helps with smoking addiction.

[pinkfluffyclouds]

I don't understand..... If they don't give alcoholic prisoners booze and they don't give drug dependent prisoners drugs why do they give nicotine dependent prisoners nicotine? as for the quote from this news item:

Human Rights lawyer Michael Bott agreed that the ban would cause more problems than it might solve.

"They are going to be very frustrated, very dangerous; it's a toxic dangerous environment, made even worse by such foolishness as this," he told 3News in New Zealand.

Human rights?

[x2lls]

I don't understand..... If they don't give alcoholic prisoners booze and they don't give drug dependent prisoners drugs why do they give nicotine dependent prisoners nicotine? as for the quote from this news item:

Human Rights lawyer Michael Bott agreed that the ban would cause more problems than it might solve.

"They are going to be very frustrated, very dangerous; it's a toxic dangerous environment, made even worse by such foolishness as this," he told 3News in New Zealand.

Human rights?

Probably summat to do with the fact that alcohol creates violence and the drugs they are dependant on are illegal. Nicotine creates problems when denied.

You have to take into consideration the type of personalities involved.

[Exhausted]

It's such a shame, I often wonder what prisons are for.

[GMR]

It's such a shame, I often wonder what prisons are for.

That is simple; to give the criminal a good time while inside. Make sure that they have all the amenities of home without going out for them. In other words; a home away from home.

[Bloggo]

It's such a shame, I often wonder what prisons are for.

Given that before a criminal actually gets a custodial sentence he/she will have been in front of the courts countless times because attempts to rehabilitate them have consistantly failed.
They will have exhausted every opportunity to stay away from crime and out of prison.
This being the case then I believe that prison should be a tough option with an emphasis on hard work and training. It should not be treated as a home or hostel but considered to be a place of incarceration for career criminals that have already squandered their chances to go straight.
Take away all of the personal gadgets like TVs and computers. Make such items a priviledge for good behaviour.
It should be a regime that having once experienced it they won't want to return.

[Andy1]

Given that before a criminal actually gets a custodial sentence he/she will have been in front of the courts countless times because attempts to rehabilitate them have consistantly failed.
They will have exhausted every opportunity to stay away from crime and out of prison.
This being the case then I believe that prison should be a tough option with an emphasis on hard work and training. It should not be treated as a home or hostel but considered to be a place of incarceration for career criminals that have already squandered their chances to go straight.
Take away all of the personal gadgets like TVs and computers. Make such items a priviledge for good behaviour.
It should be a regime that having once experienced it they won't want to return.

I agree with most what you say but the fact is for some, life in prison is better than life outside, even with the changes you suggest

[Bloggo]

I agree with most what you say but the fact is for some, life in prison is better than life outside, even with the changes you suggest

Yes, I guess that's so but I believe you would see a dramatic drop in crime.

[On the edge]

The point often forgotten is that any form of punishment should contain a significant element of pay back. Retribution if you like, but without that, there is no justice. If imprisonment is the last resort; that is the worst punishment possible, then we've got it wrong. Those going to prison as a last resort, have put themselves 'outside the law' and so rehabilitation comes after imprisonment. A harsh regime is not expensive. Today, prison does not work for exactly the same reasons that community service doesn't work. That is we, or at least those we choose to elect, don’t seem to want to tackle the clear and obvious management problem. Sorry, but there’s no nice way to deliver punishment.

[Iommi]

It would seem the US has a far harder attitude to offenders, but I don't think it has made the impact you all suggest it could make.

[Bloggo]

The point often forgotten is that any form of punishment should contain a significant element of pay back. Retribution if you like, but without that, there is no justice. If imprisonment is the last resort; that is the worst punishment possible, then we've got it wrong. Those going to prison as a last resort, have put themselves 'outside the law' and so rehabilitation comes after imprisonment. A harsh regime is not expensive. Today, prison does not work for exactly the same reasons that community service doesn't work. That is we, or at least those we choose to elect, don’t seem to want to tackle the clear and obvious management problem. Sorry, but there’s no nice way to deliver punishment.

Spot on.

[Bloggo]

It would seem the US has a far harder attitude to offenders, but I don't think it has made the impact you all suggest it could make.

Really, do you have an example to share with us?

[Iommi]

Really, do you have an example to share with us?

No I don't, I made it up.

[Bloggo]

No I don't, I made it up.

That's great.