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Posted by: x2lls Jun 17 2018, 04:16 PM

She is right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM1ZCnliNB4

Posted by: Strafin Jun 17 2018, 10:28 PM

I'm not prepared to give rebel media any sort of "views", or listen to anything that vile woman Katie Hopkins has to say. I'm still annoyed that those people who had the opportunity to help when she had that fit stepped in.

Posted by: newres Jun 18 2018, 05:10 AM

What despicable people you and her are OP. Hate filled extremists.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 18 2018, 07:59 AM

I stand by the statement.

You two virtual signalling fools are shooting the messenger.

She says at it is.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 18 2018, 08:00 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 18 2018, 06:10 AM) *
What despicable people you and her are OP. Hate filled extremists.



A bit over the top old boy. We have opinions, so get used to it. And try debating, not school grounds BS.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 18 2018, 08:29 AM

Tragedy is that Grenfell can happen in modern Britain and in such a wealthy constituency. Trying to spin this as sycophantic overture to followers of Islam is below the belt. Notwithstanding: food for those who might lack critical thinking.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 18 2018, 10:48 AM

Whether one agrees with Katie Hopkins' stance or not it is irrelevant, what is important is that here is an individual who is not afraid to stand up and express her opinions with refreshing erudition. The one alarming question that has not been addressed over Grenfell is the total number of casualties. Surely the council knew how many tenants they had and any visitors would have been flagged up by now?

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 18 2018, 11:13 AM

I think it is relevant what Katie Hopkins has said as she often only says what she says to further her own agenda which is often one of intolerance and predjudice. I don’t think it is relevant whether the victims were Muslim or not, the issue is that it should never have happened. The council and government should have better control of the applicable building specs; that to me is the tragedy.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 18 2018, 03:40 PM

There are a large number of critical questions that ought to be addressed in the light of this disaster. Building controls being just one. Material approval, landlord responsibilities, emergency service processes, evacuation procedures, etc, etc,etc. Plus the matters relating to occupancy, sub letting and so forth. And that's without looking at the rationale and approvals for doing the 'improvements' in the first place.

Sweeping any of these issues under the carpet would be wrong, and the fear of that being done, is probably the reason for the disquiet about the 'official enquiry'. Such things have a long history of being used as official whitewash.

So, I'd argue that whilst Katie Hopkins might hold views I vehemently disagree with, it's absolutely right that she gives voice to them, particularly as they are shared by a large number of people.

None of the issues must be lost and all should be thoroughly investigated. If not, we will have another Hillsborough.

Posted by: newres Jun 18 2018, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 18 2018, 04:40 PM) *
There are a large number of critical questions that ought to be addressed in the light of this disaster. Building controls being just one. Material approval, landlord responsibilities, emergency service processes, evacuation procedures, etc, etc,etc. Plus the matters relating to occupancy, sub letting and so forth. And that's without looking at the rationale and approvals for doing the 'improvements' in the first place.

Sweeping any of these issues under the carpet would be wrong, and the fear of that being done, is probably the reason for the disquiet about the 'official enquiry'. Such things have a long history of being used as official whitewash.

So, I'd argue that whilst Katie Hopkins might hold views I vehemently disagree with, it's absolutely right that she gives voice to them, particularly as they are shared by a large number of people.

None of the issues must be lost and all should be thoroughly investigated. If not, we will have another Hillsborough.

I didn’t get past her opening statement around the number of immigrants in there being unknown. Did she make any points that would be helpful?

I worry about someone who spends so much time on the internet watching extremists.

Posted by: newres Jun 18 2018, 05:01 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 18 2018, 09:00 AM) *
A bit over the top old boy. We have opinions, so get used to it. And try debating, not school grounds BS.

Debating on the Internet is pointless. The more you “debate” the more entrenched and nasty people become. Especially extremists who support violence against the police.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 18 2018, 07:53 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 18 2018, 04:40 PM) *
There are a large number of critical questions that ought to be addressed in the light of this disaster. Building controls being just one. Material approval, landlord responsibilities, emergency service processes, evacuation procedures, etc, etc,etc. Plus the matters relating to occupancy, sub letting and so forth. And that's without looking at the rationale and approvals for doing the 'improvements' in the first place.

Sweeping any of these issues under the carpet would be wrong, and the fear of that being done, is probably the reason for the disquiet about the 'official enquiry'. Such things have a long history of being used as official whitewash.

So, I'd argue that whilst Katie Hopkins might hold views I vehemently disagree with, it's absolutely right that she gives voice to them, particularly as they are shared by a large number of people.

None of the issues must be lost and all should be thoroughly investigated. If not, we will have another Hillsborough.



And not to mention the OP.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 18 2018, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 18 2018, 06:01 PM) *
Debating on the Internet is pointless. The more you “debate” the more entrenched and nasty people become. Especially extremists who support violence against the police.



Debating on the Internet is pointless.

Proven, by your good self.





Posted by: On the edge Jun 18 2018, 08:03 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 18 2018, 05:59 PM) *
I didn’t get past her opening statement around the number of immigrants in there being unknown. Did she make any points that would be helpful?

I worry about someone who spends so much time on the internet watching extremists.


I can accept that, but it was a strong view right from the start. So, if we took the immigrant out if the equation a real issue can be seen. That is, overcrowding. This is particularly rife in the lower end of the rental market where landlords, in the main small landlords, seek to maximise income from inappropriate property. For instance (something I've been fighting) many university towns have poor quality but high cost student accommodation - generally comprising of small family homes, cheaply divided, poorly furnished and serviced. Often operated by small buy to let landlords.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 18 2018, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 18 2018, 12:13 PM) *
I think it is relevant what Katie Hopkins has said as she often only says what she says to further her own agenda which is often one of intolerance and predjudice. I don’t think it is relevant whether the victims were Muslim or not, the issue is that it should never have happened. The council and government should have better control of the applicable building specs; that to me is the tragedy.


You don't get or keep a job as a journalist if you don't follow your employers line/agenda. What exactly is wrong with an agenda anyway? Nothing, just nothing. A party manifesto is an agenda, yet that goes by the wayside and generates grievances. So what is it then? Make your mind up.

BTW, I like her "Agenda|"

Posted by: On the edge Jun 18 2018, 08:27 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 18 2018, 08:53 PM) *
And not to mention the OP.


If we take the elephant in the room; immigration, for most average people, if they really think about it, it's not an issue. Overcrowding is, but that is really a separate issue. From my experience, so long as they can access acceptable health care, can secure and maintain a reasonable home, secure and keep a reasonable job with the prospect of a suitable pension on retirement and are able to send their kids to a school which is able to give them an appropriate start in life commensurate with their abilities, they don't really care who lives next door - always providing they don't do anything to disturb the peace. Not much to ask but that's it.

Unfortunately, when any of the above are missing, the easiest culprit are incomers. We've e en seen it here in Newbury, local homes for local people; which for some, included people from Reading or Basingstoke!

So, in simple terms, all politicians need to deliver, which is that list. Give it to any party and they'll tell you that's what they are doing. However, they really aren't - hence the 'immigration issue'.

Arguably, upholding British issues ought to encourage immigrants as good for economic growth. That's what we did after all. Look at Australia and New Zealand for instance, it was British immigrants who built those economies. Admittedly, the indigenous populations weren't over happy....

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 18 2018, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 18 2018, 09:06 PM) *
You don't get or keep a job as a journalist if you don't follow your employers line/agenda. What exactly is wrong with an agenda anyway? Nothing, just nothing. A party manifesto is an agenda, yet that goes by the wayside and generates grievances. So what is it then? Make your mind up.

BTW, I like her "Agenda|"

Her agenda is to incite distrust and disharmony; doing so using distorted facts or innuendo.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 19 2018, 12:09 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 18 2018, 09:27 PM) *
If we take the elephant in the room; immigration, for most average people, if they really think about it, it's not an issue. Overcrowding is, but that is really a separate issue. From my experience, so long as they can access acceptable health care, can secure and maintain a reasonable home, secure and keep a reasonable job with the prospect of a suitable pension on retirement and are able to send their kids to a school which is able to give them an appropriate start in life commensurate with their abilities, they don't really care who lives next door - always providing they don't do anything to disturb the peace. Not much to ask but that's it.

Unfortunately, when any of the above are missing, the easiest culprit are incomers. We've e en seen it here in Newbury, local homes for local people; which for some, included people from Reading or Basingstoke!

So, in simple terms, all politicians need to deliver, which is that list. Give it to any party and they'll tell you that's what they are doing. However, they really aren't - hence the 'immigration issue'.

Arguably, upholding British issues ought to encourage immigrants as good for economic growth. That's what we did after all. Look at Australia and New Zealand for instance, it was British immigrants who built those economies. Admittedly, the indigenous populations weren't over happy....




Are you for real? How on earth can you say "If we take the elephant in the room; immigration, for most average people, if they really think about it, it's not an issue. Overcrowding is, but that is really a separate issue. " How the F can you say immigration has no part in overcrowding? Separate issue? You ARE so MAD! How the **** (Pre stifled) is overcrowding not to do with immigration? I would also add, you missed the, as usual, other elephant.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 19 2018, 12:23 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 18 2018, 10:14 PM) *
Her agenda is to incite distrust and disharmony; doing so using distorted facts or innuendo.



NO, Utter BS.

You have no evidence of that crap whatsoever AC. You use the term "Agenda", to others, it is an opinion. Try to disguise it all you will, I will NEVER bow to BS. Just look how the media in France have changed "Allahu akbar!" to "God is great!" for the sake of multicultyquagmire. It was a sodding islamic follower again, who went awol with a religion of peace.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 19 2018, 12:33 AM

QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 17 2018, 11:28 PM) *
I'm not prepared to give rebel media any sort of "views", or listen to anything that vile woman Katie Hopkins has to say. I'm still annoyed that those people who had the opportunity to help when she had that fit stepped in.


So rather than debate, you do the leftie shutdown stuff?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpSn10bRZb4

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 19 2018, 04:53 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 19 2018, 01:23 AM) *
NO, Utter BS.

You have no evidence of that crap whatsoever AC. You use the term "Agenda", to others, it is an opinion. Try to disguise it all you will, I will NEVER bow to BS. Just look how the media in France have changed "Allahu akbar!" to "God is great!" for the sake of multicultyquagmire. It was a sodding islamic follower again, who went awol with a religion of peace.

What are you talking about? Agenda and opinion go hand in hand; I wouldn’t deny that, but that doesn’t stop it being an agenda. Her devisive ranting is a matter of public record and its efficacy is seen on places like Facebook and Newbury Today every day.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 19 2018, 06:10 AM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 19 2018, 01:09 AM) *
Are you for real? How on earth can you say "If we take the elephant in the room; immigration, for most average people, if they really think about it, it's not an issue. Overcrowding is, but that is really a separate issue. " How the F can you say immigration has no part in overcrowding? Separate issue? You ARE so MAD! How the **** (Pre stifled) is overcrowding not to do with immigration? I would also add, you missed the, as usual, other elephant.


Yes, I am for real. Sure, we have many people coming here for whatever reason, they come in waves and have done throughout history. Sure, ;new' people distress those already here, they always have. So, unless you can overcome the fact that there will always be new people arriving, you are always going to be discontented. Most people realise that and start to get along with the new people they encounter. Yes, its a two way street, but it does happen. The process is far more painful and takes far longer when the infrastructures we have don't support even the existing population therein the rub.

So, take this town - if 'immigration' is actually an issue full stop, how do we stop people from Reading moving here; let alone the hordes of new people from the London suburbs who will arrive to take advantage of the new homes going up? More to the point, how are you going to keep your family together for as long as you are around in the confines of Newbury? How will you influence your employer not to let any foreign national onto the payroll?

Do you know the maximum number the Country can take? Conversely, do we want all other nations to adopt the same attitudes? If so, there are a good few residents of Spain in for a nasty surprise.

Posted by: newres Jun 19 2018, 02:26 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 19 2018, 07:10 AM) *
Yes, I am for real. Sure, we have many people coming here for whatever reason, they come in waves and have done throughout history. Sure, ;new' people distress those already here, they always have. So, unless you can overcome the fact that there will always be new people arriving, you are always going to be discontented. Most people realise that and start to get along with the new people they encounter. Yes, its a two way street, but it does happen. The process is far more painful and takes far longer when the infrastructures we have don't support even the existing population therein the rub.

So, take this town - if 'immigration' is actually an issue full stop, how do we stop people from Reading moving here; let alone the hordes of new people from the London suburbs who will arrive to take advantage of the new homes going up? More to the point, how are you going to keep your family together for as long as you are around in the confines of Newbury? How will you influence your employer not to let any foreign national onto the payroll?

Do you know the maximum number the Country can take? Conversely, do we want all other nations to adopt the same attitudes? If so, there are a good few residents of Spain in for a nasty surprise.

I rather suspect he doesn't mind them coming from countries of the same ethnicity. It seems it's ok for Catholic priests, MPs, football coaches and scout leaders to kiddy fiddle but not Asians. What does that tell you?

Posted by: On the edge Jun 19 2018, 04:40 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 19 2018, 03:26 PM) *
I rather suspect he doesn't mind them coming from countries of the same ethnicity. It seems it's ok for Catholic priests, MPs, football coaches and scout leaders to kiddy fiddle but not Asians. What does that tell you?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44530825

Yes, can't help agreeing - here's yet another.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 19 2018, 06:02 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 19 2018, 05:40 PM) *
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44530825

Yes, can't help agreeing - here's yet another.



I will never deny individuals are out there, but to equate it to a constructed, racially based gang assault on our girls is despicable.


Posted by: x2lls Jun 19 2018, 06:03 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 19 2018, 03:26 PM) *
I rather suspect he doesn't mind them coming from countries of the same ethnicity. It seems it's ok for Catholic priests, MPs, football coaches and scout leaders to kiddy fiddle but not Asians. What does that tell you?



Enid Blyton reader?

Posted by: newres Jun 19 2018, 07:21 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 19 2018, 07:02 PM) *
I will never deny individuals are out there, but to equate it to a constructed, racially based gang assault on our girls is despicable.

"Our girls"? What a prat. laugh.gif

Posted by: newres Jun 19 2018, 07:23 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 19 2018, 07:03 PM) *
Enid Blyton reader?

Do you ever go "**** bashing" or do you just bleat on the internet about them?

Posted by: x2lls Jun 19 2018, 07:50 PM

In response to Newres.

Please, when you finally sober up, consider your comments. Someone has to.

What does **** mean? Too afraid to mention? Scared of the Antifa? Does it start with "p" and end with "i"?

Posted by: x2lls Jun 19 2018, 08:01 PM

[quote name='newres' date='Jun 19 2018, 08:21 PM' post='121234']
"Our girls"? What a prat. laugh.gif

I see you have not yet been given permission to leave the playground. Do you now write your lines digitally?


Yes, "Our girls". No shame in that term. my lady(The one without a willy), my daughter, my cousins and all the rest of the females in my life. I wish to see they are protected from scum who have no right to be in this country yet think a woman who shows her stomach, deserves death.

You really are so deluded.

I suggest you go see Imam Tawhidi. He can be your Savior, rather than forcefully plonking chalk and cheese in the same pot.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 19 2018, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 19 2018, 08:23 PM) *
Do you ever go "**** bashing" or do you just bleat on the internet about them?



Every weekend, It's a blast!

You never know when a Lambretta or a Vespa may become handy.

Were you ever a Who fan?

Posted by: On the edge Jun 19 2018, 08:42 PM

QUOTE (x2lls @ Jun 19 2018, 07:02 PM) *
I will never deny individuals are out there, but to equate it to a constructed, racially based gang assault on our girls is despicable.


I simply don't understand your logic, it doesn't compute. Both crimes are despicable, both crimes are repugnant. If you honestly believe cultural background has a significant effect, you must also believe that older apparently educated men from the North of England are also a seriously risky group; based on the obnoxious long undetected crimes committed by Saville/Smith/Hall not just against our people but any people.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 19 2018, 08:42 PM

Newres,

You really should be looking to see what work IMAM Tawhidi is doing to make our world a better place. He's up against so much vitriol. I assume you would agree with him?

Posted by: On the edge Jun 19 2018, 08:59 PM



Presumably x2lls you'll keep your women folk well away from the BBC then?

Posted by: newres Jun 19 2018, 09:07 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 19 2018, 09:59 PM) *
Presumably x2lls you'll keep your women folk well away from the BBC then?

And his boys away from Catholic priests. He’s an idiot.

Posted by: x2lls Jun 19 2018, 09:10 PM

[quote name='On the edge' date='Jun 19 2018, 09:42 PM' post='121239']
I simply don't understand your logic, it doesn't compute. Both crimes are despicable, both crimes are repugnant. If you honestly believe cultural background has a significant effect, you must also believe that older apparently educated men from the North of England are also a seriously risky group; based on the obnoxious long undetected crimes committed by Saville/Smith/Hall not just against our people but any people.
[/quote

Great BS there " Both crimes are despicable, both crimes are repugnant. "
Apologist, through and through. I say there is NO BOTH! Those crimes are the same. And how you have the audacity to equate individuals with a group of culturally based attacks on vulnerable members of our young shows your ...

Posted by: x2lls Jun 19 2018, 09:14 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 19 2018, 09:59 PM) *
Presumably x2lls you'll keep your women folk well away from the BBC then?



They can have as much BBC as they like, but no broadcaster. They are all in control of their mice.

Posted by: On the edge Jun 19 2018, 09:22 PM



Great BS there " Both crimes are despicable, both crimes are repugnant. "
Apologist, through and through. I say there is NO BOTH! Those crimes are the same. And how you have the audacity to equate individuals with a group of culturally based attacks on vulnerable members of our young shows your ...
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And I say there is both. Can't you grasp that the 'culture' at the BBC and in various other institutions in this Country also gave rise to these despicable crimes on just as vunerable members of our young. I feel quite sick at the thought that you feel it was a lesser crime for a 27 stone to bear down on frightened disaffected young boys in the care of a children's home. Says it all really.

Posted by: newres Jun 20 2018, 05:29 AM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 19 2018, 10:22 PM) *
Great BS there " Both crimes are despicable, both crimes are repugnant. "
Apologist, through and through. I say there is NO BOTH! Those crimes are the same. And how you have the audacity to equate individuals with a group of culturally based attacks on vulnerable members of our young shows your ...


And I say there is both. Can't you grasp that the 'culture' at the BBC and in various other institutions in this Country also gave rise to these despicable crimes on just as vunerable members of our young. I feel quite sick at the thought that you feel it was a lesser crime for a 27 stone to bear down on frightened disaffected young boys in the care of a children's home. Says it all really.

Agreed. It’s alright for white people to abuse “our girls”, presumably on the basis that they belong to the white folk. I wonder how he feels about interracial marriage?

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