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post Aug 26 2013, 05:58 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 25 2013, 11:07 AM) *
Just what I observe.
How is that "ill informed"?
And your counter argument / observation is??

Just one observation, Newbury has one small area pedestrianised. Northbrook Street etc, yet you state that people on bikes spend most of their time there. Is that not a ridiculous assertion?
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post Aug 26 2013, 07:47 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Aug 24 2013, 07:17 PM) *
I agree that the saving or expenditure isn't what makes a rip-off, that's a matter of whether the supplier is taking unfair advantage of their market monopoly...
I can think of at least 7 suppliers in or around Newbury. How is this a monopoly?
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post Aug 26 2013, 08:10 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Aug 26 2013, 07:58 AM) *
Just one observation, Newbury has one small area pedestrianised. Northbrook Street etc, yet you state that people on bikes spend most of their time there. Is that not a ridiculous assertion?

My comment was that they spend most of their time on the pavement in towns NOT that they spend most of their time in the pedestrianised area.
But as you raise the pedestrianised issue.
MOST of the main part of Newbury Town Centre is pedestrianised.
Why do cyclists have to cycle, often at breakneck speed, in that area where there are pedestrians everywhere?
Why can't they walk, with their bike, like everyone else?
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post Aug 26 2013, 09:10 AM
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None of the centre of Newbury is pedestrianised

Some areas are restricted at certain times - that is all
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post Aug 26 2013, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE (Berkshirelad @ Aug 26 2013, 11:10 AM) *
None of the centre of Newbury is pedestrianised

That's funny, because the signs say "pedestrianised".
Anyway, whether the term is technically correct or not it does not answer my question?
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post Aug 26 2013, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 26 2013, 10:21 AM) *
That's funny, because the signs say "pedestrianised".
Anyway, whether the term is technically correct or not it does not answer my question?

I cycle in the "pedestrianised" area. Why shouldn't I? Bikes are pemitted.

By your thinking, cars shouldn't be allowed on the roads while cyclists are on them, since I guess your reasoning is that cyclists put pedestrians at risk. I sometimes cycle on the pavement, it just depends on the road. Mostly I cycle on the road though.


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post Aug 26 2013, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Aug 25 2013, 12:13 PM) *
Until cyclists are registered and have insurance I think they should be banned from the roads entirely.

I already pay tax for my car use and and have various insurances, the last thing I would welcome is even more punitive charges for an activity that benefits everyone (except if I cycle on the road along Hambridge Road! tongue.gif ).

QUOTE (motormad @ Aug 25 2013, 12:13 PM) *
And on the subject of the quoted section, that's a physical impossibility. Because cars are personal transport for any distance, and can carry most of your belongings, and trains etc are public transport. As in, takes you anywhere aside from where you actually want to go.

Bicycles are stupid for anything more than a few miles when you don't need to carry anything.

Like I said, getting people to use a push-bike instead of a car can only benefit everyone.
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post Aug 26 2013, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 26 2013, 09:10 AM) *
My comment was that they spend most of their time on the pavement in towns NOT that they spend most of their time in the pedestrianised area.
But as you raise the pedestrianised issue.
MOST of the main part of Newbury Town Centre is pedestrianised.
Why do cyclists have to cycle, often at breakneck speed, in that area where there are pedestrians everywhere?
Why can't they walk, with their bike, like everyone else?

Because they don't have to.

As for break-neck speed, that is silly, most cyclists would have difficulty in going any more than 15 mph in the high street and the majority of cyclists don't even do that.
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post Aug 26 2013, 10:52 AM
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QUOTE (motormad @ Aug 25 2013, 10:13 PM) *
No, you're being pendantic.

My point is trains don't actually take you where you need to go.
You always need to walk (more than a few meters...........) or catch another train, or a bus, or a taxi, to get to anything of interest.
For those of us who don't enjoy hanging out in trainstations, my statement is completely true.

Not really.

Unless you can park directly outside where you drive, then a car is often no better than the train. In some cases it is a far worse option. A trip to central London for instance.

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post Aug 26 2013, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 26 2013, 08:47 AM) *
I can think of at least 7 suppliers in or around Newbury. How is this a monopoly?

If it is acting as a cartel.
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post Aug 26 2013, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Aug 26 2013, 04:31 PM) *
If it is acting as a cartel.
And are they?
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post Aug 26 2013, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 26 2013, 11:43 AM) *
I already pay tax for my car use and and have various insurances, the last thing I would welcome is even more punitive charges for an activity that benefits everyone (except if I cycle on the road along Hambridge Road! tongue.gif ).

I have been beeped at along there for cycling on the road. Probably by a dork who walks through town moaning about cyclist in the "pedestrianised" zone.

Incidentally, my wife was ordered off her bike by one of the seurity people in Parkway. There are no signs to say no cycling there, although I know after WBC gave the land away it is now private property.
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post Aug 26 2013, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Aug 26 2013, 12:39 PM) *
I cycle in the "pedestrianised" area. Why shouldn't I? Bikes are pemitted.

since I guess your reasoning is that cyclists put pedestrians at risk.

You answered your own question.
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 26 2013, 12:47 PM) *
Because they don't have to.

I fail to see that as a reason.
What about courtesy and safety towards pedestrians?
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 26 2013, 12:47 PM) *
As for break-neck speed, that is silly, most cyclists would have difficulty in going any more than 15 mph in the high street and the majority of cyclists don't even do that.

I disagree!
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post Aug 26 2013, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Aug 26 2013, 06:41 PM) *
Incidentally, my wife was ordered off her bike by one of the seurity people in Parkway.

Good! tongue.gif
QUOTE (newres @ Aug 26 2013, 06:41 PM) *
There are no signs to say no cycling there,

Use your common sense (assuming you're not a "dork"! tongue.gif
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post Aug 26 2013, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Aug 26 2013, 08:47 AM) *
I can think of at least 7 suppliers in or around Newbury. How is this a monopoly?

That's my point, there is no monopoly, so there is no unfair advantage, so there is no rip off.


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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 26 2013, 06:31 PM) *
I fail to see that as a reason.

So?

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 26 2013, 06:31 PM) *
What about courtesy and safety towards pedestrians?

That is why most who cycle do so with care.

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 26 2013, 06:31 PM) *
I disagree!

So do I.
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post Aug 26 2013, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Aug 26 2013, 08:05 PM) *
That's my point, there is no monopoly, so there is no unfair advantage, so there is no rip off.

Under those circumstances maybe; however, all other immediate towns have cheaper fuel, so unless it costs more to deliver it, Newbury drivers are being ripped off. As pointed out by a supermarket manager, those towns that offer cheaper petrol have suppliers that are more competitive than in Newbury.
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post Aug 26 2013, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 26 2013, 06:49 PM) *
Use your common sense (assuming you're not a "dork"! tongue.gif

Explain? It is an open area with wide alleys and it has bicycle racks. It is merely an extension of Northbrook Street in which cycling is pemitted, so if cycling suddenly is not permitted, surely a sign asking cyclists to dismount is in order?

Why the bitter attitude towards cyclists? Are you too fat to ride one? tongue.gif
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post Aug 26 2013, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 26 2013, 08:53 PM) *
Under those circumstances maybe; however, all other immediate towns have cheaper fuel, so unless it costs more to deliver it, Newbury drivers are being ripped off. As pointed out by a supermarket manager, those towns that offer cheaper petrol have suppliers that are more competitive than in Newbury.

Can you say why it's a rip off? Just because two suppliers charge different amounts for the same product does not make one a rip-off, even if they make a bigger profit. A rip-off needs an unfair advantage, and there's no unfairness here. Yes, you pay more in Newbury, but you can buy fuel elsewhere if you choose. If there is something about Newbury that supports a higher profit to be made from fuel sales then fine, that's how a free market works - the price is higher because the market supports that price.


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post Aug 26 2013, 09:18 PM
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That's not strictly true though, that's why we have laws about price fixing.
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