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Posted by: Mugwump00 May 22 2012, 10:24 AM
Hello all,
I need to/choose to/regret using the 9:03 from Thatcham to Reading twice a week. Have done so for 4 years. I've sat down about twice.
1GW are clearly taking the P here, this is a busy service and Thatcham is far from an inconsequential stop these days (I think more embark here than at Newbury). This service is ALWAYS 2 carriages short.
Anyone had a similar grievance, and how did they present it to 1GW? How did they get on?
Posted by: Roger T May 22 2012, 10:49 AM
I went once, on a train. A long journey, up t'North, as they would say themselves.
On the upward leg, a 2 hour delay. Failed brakes or something. They were fixed at a station. But on the plus side, I was sitting down, and there were only 4 other people in the whole carriage.
On the return leg, a 7 hour delay. Some midlanders decided to dispose of their scaffolding on the rail line. I'm surprised we didn't derail. A missed opportunity really, a book, perhaps a movie, and some stories to tell the Nephew. But alas.
We were escorted off the train and, walked half a mile to an exit in the fence where a mini-bus took us, to Birmingham train station.On the bus, we started singing the "Mya-ha" song. As we were all firm friends after that amount of time.
A taxi ride back to Thatcham station. As he would not drop me at my house. Even though it was closer. I fail to understand the logic.
This was Virgin, but FGW, aren't that good either. Going to Reading is like, I imagine, **** in a hand basket.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 22 2012, 10:56 AM
QUOTE (Roger T @ May 22 2012, 11:49 AM) 
I went once, on a train. A long journey, up t'North, as they would say themselves.
On the upward leg, a 2 hour delay. Failed brakes or something. They were fixed at a station. But on the plus side, I was sitting down, and there were only 4 other people in the whole carriage.
On the return leg, a 7 hour delay. Some midlanders decided to dispose of their scaffolding on the rail line. I'm surprised we didn't derail. A missed opportunity really, a book, perhaps a movie, and some stories to tell the Nephew. But alas.
We were escorted off the train and, walked half a mile to an exit in the fence where a mini-bus took us, to Birmingham train station.On the bus, we started singing the "Mya-ha" song. As we were all firm friends after that amount of time.
A taxi ride back to Thatcham station. As he would not drop me at my house. Even though it was closer. I fail to understand the logic.
This was Virgin, but FGW, aren't that good either. Going to Reading is like, I imagine, **** in a hand basket.
On the upward leg, a 2 hour delay. Failed brakes or something. They were fixed at a station. But on the plus side, I was sitting down, and there were only 4 other people in the whole carriage.
On the return leg, a 7 hour delay. Some midlanders decided to dispose of their scaffolding on the rail line. I'm surprised we didn't derail. A missed opportunity really, a book, perhaps a movie, and some stories to tell the Nephew. But alas.
We were escorted off the train and, walked half a mile to an exit in the fence where a mini-bus took us, to Birmingham train station.On the bus, we started singing the "Mya-ha" song. As we were all firm friends after that amount of time.
A taxi ride back to Thatcham station. As he would not drop me at my house. Even though it was closer. I fail to understand the logic.
This was Virgin, but FGW, aren't that good either. Going to Reading is like, I imagine, **** in a hand basket.
I would say scaffolding on the line and a mechanical breakdown is no real fault of the operator.
Its pretty obvious why they wont drop people off at their houses, you have paid to goto the station, also what on earth does this journey have to do with the topic above ?
Posted by: Roger T May 22 2012, 11:08 AM
I was delayed for 7 hours, and the Taxi driver drove PAST my house in Newbury, and dropped me at Thatcham. I had to get Mrs T to give me a lift.
It was related to trains, was it not? I didn't know you were the forum adjudicator.
Even on an on topic note, I said FGW was not good, comparing it to going to a firey place, in which Satan resides, in a woven basket.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 22 2012, 11:10 AM
QUOTE (Roger T @ May 22 2012, 12:08 PM)
I was delayed for 7 hours, and the Taxi driver drove PAST my house in Newbury, and dropped me at Thatcham. I had to get Mrs T to give me a lift.
It was related to trains, was it not? I didn't know you were the forum adjudicator.
Even on an on topic note, I said FGW was not good, comparing it to going to a firey place, in which Satan resides, in a woven basket.
It was related to trains, was it not? I didn't know you were the forum adjudicator.
Even on an on topic note, I said FGW was not good, comparing it to going to a firey place, in which Satan resides, in a woven basket.
You travelled with virgin, and again you paid to get to Thatcham that is where you would be dropped off. That is the logic.
A delay on a virgin train due to some idiots throwing scaffolding on the line has nothing to do with FGW.
Posted by: Roger T May 22 2012, 11:12 AM
Nevermind.
Another thread derailed, by the marvelous Andy. Such a good sport.
Some pun intended.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 22 2012, 11:19 AM
QUOTE (Roger T @ May 22 2012, 12:12 PM)
Nevermind.
Another thread derailed, by the marvelous Andy. Such a good sport.
Some pun intended.
Another thread derailed, by the marvelous Andy. Such a good sport.
Some pun intended.
Lets try and keep the thread on topic, and no post stories of random train journeys that are of no interest to anyone.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 22 2012, 11:19 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 22 2012, 12:19 PM)
Lets try and keep the thread on topic, and no post stories of random train journeys that are of no interest to anyone.
esp as they mention the nephew
Posted by: Roger T May 22 2012, 11:37 AM
I had some Hovis once, on a FGW train.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 22 2012, 11:40 AM
QUOTE (Roger T @ May 22 2012, 12:37 PM)
I had some Hovis once, on a FGW train.
Do you work Rodger, out of interest ?
Posted by: Roger T May 22 2012, 11:55 AM
I work at a Charity shop, I am in charge (I say in charge, I'm not really in charge of anything) of stock, so I sit in a backroom.
Is that because of my posting, or because I ate bread on a train. I am not homeless. Do you work?
Posted by: andy1979uk May 22 2012, 11:58 AM
QUOTE (Roger T @ May 22 2012, 12:55 PM)
I work at a Charity shop, I am in charge (I say in charge, I'm not really in charge of anything) of stock, so I sit in a backroom.
Is that because of my posting, or because I ate bread on a train. I am not homeless. Do you work?
Is that because of my posting, or because I ate bread on a train. I am not homeless. Do you work?
Yes I work, hence why sometimes I wont reply for hours on end if am busy. If am working at home I can check more often.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 22 2012, 12:03 PM
Perhaps using PMs would be more appropriate for this argument? Please?
Posted by: James_Trinder May 22 2012, 12:04 PM
QUOTE (Mugwump00 @ May 22 2012, 11:24 AM)
Hello all,
I need to/choose to/regret using the 9:03 from Thatcham to Reading twice a week. Have done so for 4 years. I've sat down about twice.
1GW are clearly taking the P here, this is a busy service and Thatcham is far from an inconsequential stop these days (I think more embark here than at Newbury). This service is ALWAYS 2 carriages short.
Anyone had a similar grievance, and how did they present it to 1GW? How did they get on?
I need to/choose to/regret using the 9:03 from Thatcham to Reading twice a week. Have done so for 4 years. I've sat down about twice.
1GW are clearly taking the P here, this is a busy service and Thatcham is far from an inconsequential stop these days (I think more embark here than at Newbury). This service is ALWAYS 2 carriages short.
Anyone had a similar grievance, and how did they present it to 1GW? How did they get on?
As I'm sure that you're aware the reason why this train is always packed is because it is the first off-peak Reading bound train in the morning.
The following site gives good advice on how to make railway complaints:
http://www.passengerfocus.org.uk/advice-and-complaints/
Posted by: andy1979uk May 22 2012, 12:05 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 22 2012, 01:03 PM)
Perhaps using PMs would be more appropriate for this argument?
Its a discussion :-)
Posted by: Mugwump00 May 22 2012, 12:17 PM
QUOTE (James_Trinder @ May 22 2012, 01:04 PM)
As I'm sure that you're aware the reason why this train is always packed is because it is the first off-peak Reading bound train in the morning.
The following site gives good advice on how to make railway complaints:
http://www.passengerfocus.org.uk/advice-and-complaints/
The following site gives good advice on how to make railway complaints:
http://www.passengerfocus.org.uk/advice-and-complaints/
Thanks, I'll look into it.
As for these others;
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? Oh dear, wouldn't the birds listen to you? Another broken forum. Technology isn't always a wonderful thing. ****, as they say, is other people...
Posted by: On the edge May 22 2012, 04:50 PM
Writing to Richard B. our MP can help. He's managed to do quite a lot and things have improved a bit since he started his mission. He's certainly responded when I've ever gone that far.
The issue is, many people just grumble, but won't do anything. A couple of winters back, one day temperature well below freezing - I was on an early train to London which had no heating. Of course, no Guard to be seen - so on way to Paddington, seven or eight of us started putting things to rights. We agreed to go to Complaints Desk on Station - I agreed to be spokesman. So, when I arrived at the desk, explained to the guy with the Managers badge - he asked who else had complained. Yes, you've guessed it, they'd all sneaked off!
Posted by: Biker1 May 22 2012, 05:41 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 22 2012, 05:50 PM)
A couple of winters back, one day temperature well below freezing - I was on an early train to London which had no heating. Of course, no Guard to be seen -
There are no guards on ANY of the turbo type trains between Bedwyn and Paddington.
Posted by: Biker1 May 22 2012, 05:48 PM
QUOTE (Mugwump00 @ May 22 2012, 11:24 AM)
Hello all,
I need to/choose to/regret using the 9:03 from Thatcham to Reading twice a week. Have done so for 4 years. I've sat down about twice.
1GW are clearly taking the P here, this is a busy service and Thatcham is far from an inconsequential stop these days (I think more embark here than at Newbury). This service is ALWAYS 2 carriages short.
Anyone had a similar grievance, and how did they present it to 1GW? How did they get on?
I need to/choose to/regret using the 9:03 from Thatcham to Reading twice a week. Have done so for 4 years. I've sat down about twice.
1GW are clearly taking the P here, this is a busy service and Thatcham is far from an inconsequential stop these days (I think more embark here than at Newbury). This service is ALWAYS 2 carriages short.
Anyone had a similar grievance, and how did they present it to 1GW? How did they get on?
There is a leaflet "Tell Us Your Views" available from staffed stations. This has a freepost address.
You can also do it from the FGW website.
Agreed this train should be strengthened but it is not as easy as you might think.
The extra carriages would have to be sourced from somewhere and attached at Newbury. Even though this would cause a delay it may be possible to do something.
If enough people complain about overcrowding on this train then something may be done.
Posted by: On the edge May 23 2012, 06:38 AM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 22 2012, 06:41 PM)
There are no guards on ANY of the turbo type trains between Bedwyn and Paddington.
No heat, so presumably no maintenance either...(lets not go there!!)
Posted by: Biker1 May 23 2012, 07:34 AM
QUOTE (On the edge @ May 23 2012, 07:38 AM)
No heat, so presumably no maintenance either...(lets not go there!!)
Posted by: Darren May 23 2012, 10:48 AM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 22 2012, 06:41 PM)
There are no guards on ANY of the turbo type trains between Bedwyn and Paddington.
Then who was that masked stranger who stamped my ticket a couple of weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon?
Sarge?
Rosmary?
Henry, the mild mannered janitor?
Posted by: Biker1 May 23 2012, 10:51 AM
QUOTE (Darren @ May 23 2012, 11:48 AM)
Then who was that masked stranger who stamped my ticket a couple of weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon?
Sarge?
Rosmary?
Henry, the mild mannered janitor?
Sarge?
Rosmary?
Henry, the mild mannered janitor?
He / she was a ticket examiner NOT a guard!
Posted by: JeffG May 23 2012, 10:51 AM
QUOTE (Darren @ May 23 2012, 11:48 AM)
Sarge?
Rosmary?
Henry, the mild mannered janitor?
Rosmary?
Henry, the mild mannered janitor?
Is this some TV programme?
@Biker1: I thought they called them conductors these days.
Posted by: Biker1 May 23 2012, 10:57 AM
QUOTE (JeffG @ May 23 2012, 11:51 AM)
Is this some TV programme?
Hong Kong Phoey wasn't it?
QUOTE (JeffG @ May 23 2012, 11:51 AM)
@Biker1: I thought they called them conductors these days.
On the turbo trains through Newbury you will have either a Ticket Examiner or a Revenue Protection Officer or, usually, no-one!
On the HST's you have a Train Manager who IS effectively a guard.
There is a difference!
Posted by: andy1979uk May 23 2012, 10:58 AM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 23 2012, 11:57 AM)
Hong Kong Phoey wasn't it?
On the turbo trains through Newbury you will have either a Ticket Examiner or a Revenue Protection Officer or, usually, no-one!
On the HST's you have a Train Manager who IS effectively a guard.
There is a difference!
On the turbo trains through Newbury you will have either a Ticket Examiner or a Revenue Protection Officer or, usually, no-one!
On the HST's you have a Train Manager who IS effectively a guard.
There is a difference!
In all honesty I have got on the train at Thatcham without a ticket to goto Newbury knowing I will not get asked. Ohhh the guilt
Posted by: Biker1 May 23 2012, 10:59 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 23 2012, 11:58 AM)
In all honesty I have got on the train at Thatcham without a ticket to goto Newbury knowing I will not get asked. Ohhh the guilt
You and many others.
Make the most of it things are about to change!!
Posted by: andy1979uk May 23 2012, 11:03 AM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 23 2012, 11:59 AM)
You and many others.
Make the most of it!!
Make the most of it!!
If I was'nt charged over £50 to goto London before 9am, and they actually gave me a seat for the high price then I would feel guily about it. Seems FGW are all about profits and minimum levels of customer service, so they only have themselves to blame.
Posted by: Andy Capp May 23 2012, 11:07 AM
QUOTE (JeffG @ May 23 2012, 11:51 AM)
Is this some TV programme?
@Biker1: I thought they called them conductors these days.
@Biker1: I thought they called them conductors these days.
What's all this @Biker1 stuff?
Posted by: Newbelly May 23 2012, 02:26 PM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 23 2012, 12:07 PM)
What's all this @Biker1 stuff?
This d*mn #twitter generation?!
Posts on here restricted to 140 characters? ...now there's a thought...
Posted by: Newbelly May 23 2012, 03:35 PM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 22 2012, 06:48 PM)
You can also do it from the FGW website.
Yes, a few weeks ago I downloaded and sent off a form over a 1 hour delay from Paddington and got a partial refund on the ticket cost.
Posted by: Timbo May 23 2012, 10:52 PM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 23 2012, 11:58 AM)
In all honesty I have got on the train at Thatcham without a ticket to goto Newbury knowing I will not get asked. Ohhh the guilt
Is this after you moan at people for parking in parent and baby spaces, or for not wearing a helmet..
Truth will out.
Posted by: dannyboy May 24 2012, 12:21 AM
QUOTE (Timbo @ May 23 2012, 11:52 PM)
Is this after you moan at people for parking in parent and baby spaces, or for not wearing a helmet..
Truth will out.
Truth will out.
Aye, a classic case of 'what is sauce for the goose.......'
Posted by: Biker1 May 24 2012, 07:45 AM
QUOTE (Timbo @ May 23 2012, 11:52 PM)
Is this after you moan at people for parking in parent and baby spaces, or for not wearing a helmet..
Truth will out.
Truth will out.
Or for using a hose during the ban?
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 08:22 AM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 24 2012, 08:45 AM)
Or for using a hose during the ban?
Do as I say not do as I do
Posted by: Timbo May 24 2012, 08:30 AM
But if both what you say and do is hypocritical or stupid, what hope is there for anyone?
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 08:42 AM
QUOTE (Timbo @ May 24 2012, 09:30 AM)
But if both what you say and do is hypocritical or stupid, what hope is there for anyone?
thats your opinion and your entitled to it of course, I have my opinion on the way I think things ought to be done.
As a by the way, I caught a member of the petrol station staff parking in the parent and child spaces with not child. Myself and 2 other customer reported them to customer services. They gave him a fine on his car and they will be speaking to his line manager.
Posted by: Biker1 May 24 2012, 08:44 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 09:42 AM)
thats your opinion and your entitled to it of course, I have my opinion on the way I think things ought to be done.
As a by the way, I caught a member of the petrol station staff parking in the parent and child spaces with not child. Myself and 2 other customer reported them to customer services. They gave him a fine on his car and they will be speaking to his line manager.
As a by the way, I caught a member of the petrol station staff parking in the parent and child spaces with not child. Myself and 2 other customer reported them to customer services. They gave him a fine on his car and they will be speaking to his line manager.
Next time you fare dodge I hope you are penalty fared as you should be.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 08:49 AM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 24 2012, 09:44 AM)
Next time you fare dodge I hope you are penalty fared as you should be.
yes but I did'nt cause a problem for another member of the public by doing so did I ? FGW just lost the revenue, which they deserve for ripping people off and providing a poor service.
Posted by: Biker1 May 24 2012, 08:51 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 09:49 AM)
yes but I did'nt cause a problem for another member of the public by doing so did I ? FGW just lost the revenue, which they deserve for ripping people off and providing a poor service.
Yes, by not paying then other honest travellers have to pay a higher fare to compensate.
http://www.atoc.org/media-centre/latest-press-releases/excuses-please-200m-cost-of-fare-dodging-on-the-railways-figures-reveal-100621
Also, if you read the article carefully, you will see the better service that could be provided if fare dodgers paid up.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 08:56 AM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 24 2012, 09:51 AM)
Yes, by not paying then other honest travellers have to pay a higher fare to compensate.
There is no proof that they increase the fares to cover non fare payers.
Posted by: Timbo May 24 2012, 08:57 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 09:42 AM)
thats your opinion and your entitled to it of course, I have my opinion on the way I think things ought to be done.
As a by the way, I caught a member of the petrol station staff parking in the parent and child spaces with not child. Myself and 2 other customer reported them to customer services. They gave him a fine on his car and they will be speaking to his line manager.
As a by the way, I caught a member of the petrol station staff parking in the parent and child spaces with not child. Myself and 2 other customer reported them to customer services. They gave him a fine on his car and they will be speaking to his line manager.
So you justify breaking rules because it doesn't affect anyone else? But you chastise other people for doing the same, I really can not stand hypocrites. I don't care that you jump the ticket on a train, fair play - I care that you'd be the first to complain if someone else did something illegal/immoral - technically you are stealing.
Like when you were having an argument with another member about them parking in a parent and baby space. (or something, I think I only caught the tail end of that) - is it OK to park in a parent and baby space, when it's late at night, say after 10? Because that "doesn't affect anyone else."
Anyway I hope your self-righteousness paid off - that person who you reported could possibly lose their job, and thus fail to support their family and end up homeless.
But I guess they deserve it, right? Crime of the century and all that.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 09:00 AM
QUOTE (Timbo @ May 24 2012, 09:57 AM)
So you justify breaking rules because it doesn't affect anyone else? But you chastise other people for doing the same, I really can not stand hypocrites. I don't care that you jump the ticket on a train, fair play - I care that you'd be the first to complain if someone else did something illegal/immoral - technically you are stealing.
Like when you were having an argument with another member about them parking in a parent and baby space. (or something, I think I only caught the tail end of that) - is it OK to park in a parent and baby space, when it's late at night, say after 10? Because that "doesn't affect anyone else."
Anyway I hope your self-righteousness paid off - that person who you reported could possibly lose their job, and thus fail to support their family and end up homeless.
But I guess they deserve it, right? Crime of the century and all that.
Like when you were having an argument with another member about them parking in a parent and baby space. (or something, I think I only caught the tail end of that) - is it OK to park in a parent and baby space, when it's late at night, say after 10? Because that "doesn't affect anyone else."
Anyway I hope your self-righteousness paid off - that person who you reported could possibly lose their job, and thus fail to support their family and end up homeless.
But I guess they deserve it, right? Crime of the century and all that.
If they got fired I really could'nt care, their attitude was disgusting when I asked them why they parked there when there was a lady with a child waiting to park. They said they are allowed to and walked off, which is completely untrue.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 09:03 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 10:00 AM)
If they got fired I really could'nt care, their attitude was disgusting when I asked them why they parked there when there was a lady with a child waiting to park. They said they are allowed to and walked off, which is completely untrue.
They would'nt be fired if it was a first offence, they would probably get a verbal warning for being rude.
Kind of a good job we will never meet then Timbo, sure we would get on.
Posted by: Biker1 May 24 2012, 09:10 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 09:56 AM)
There is no proof that they increase the fares to cover non fare payers.
Read my edited post again!
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 09:13 AM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 24 2012, 10:10 AM)
Read my edited post again!
Maybe if they provided a good service, fairly priced, people would'nt bother fair dodging. Have only done it about twice, and once the ticket machine at Thatcham was broken and the office was closed.
Posted by: Timbo May 24 2012, 09:16 AM
They might be fired if on probation, or their probation would not be transferred into full employment, and legally parent and baby spaces have no standing. They are put there as a sort of honey for bumble bees (the bumble bee's being parents in this metaphor). The only "fine" you can get is from a private parking company and, as I'm sure you're aware, you don't really have to pay anything if they come chasing you. Simply ignoring is enough in most cases and they will go away.
And you should care if they got fired; for it would be your responsibility! No-one deserves to have that happen for something which isn't even illegal. I agree there is a time and a place for parent and baby spaces, along with disabled spaces, but if you look at Sainsburys, it has row upon row of disabled spaces, over half of which aren't even used. So in a busy period, everyone has to drive around, queuing for "normal" spaces. Not saying I would park in there personally but sometimes you just have to.
People who have children should be able to walk 30 yards to the door without complaining how they didn't have a parent and baby space. Many parents take the bus when they go shopping, with young children, and they manage alright...
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 09:21 AM
QUOTE (Timbo @ May 24 2012, 10:16 AM)
They might be fired if on probation, or their probation would not be transferred into full employment, and legally parent and baby spaces have no standing. They are put there as a sort of honey for bumble bees (the bumble bee's being parents in this metaphor). The only "fine" you can get is from a private parking company and, as I'm sure you're aware, you don't really have to pay anything if they come chasing you. Simply ignoring is enough in most cases and they will go away.
And you should care if they got fired; for it would be your responsibility! No-one deserves to have that happen for something which isn't even illegal. I agree there is a time and a place for parent and baby spaces, along with disabled spaces, but if you look at Sainsburys, it has row upon row of disabled spaces, over half of which aren't even used. So in a busy period, everyone has to drive around, queuing for "normal" spaces. Not saying I would park in there personally but sometimes you just have to.
People who have children should be able to walk 30 yards to the door without complaining how they didn't have a parent and baby space. Many parents take the bus when they go shopping, with young children, and they manage alright...
And you should care if they got fired; for it would be your responsibility! No-one deserves to have that happen for something which isn't even illegal. I agree there is a time and a place for parent and baby spaces, along with disabled spaces, but if you look at Sainsburys, it has row upon row of disabled spaces, over half of which aren't even used. So in a busy period, everyone has to drive around, queuing for "normal" spaces. Not saying I would park in there personally but sometimes you just have to.
People who have children should be able to walk 30 yards to the door without complaining how they didn't have a parent and baby space. Many parents take the bus when they go shopping, with young children, and they manage alright...
You obviously dont have children Timbo or you would understand it is not about having to walk to the doo that is the problem. It is trying to get the child out of the car and having space to get the pram out that requires a bigger space. Take a bus? No thanks I have 2 cars no way would I get on a scummy bus for more than the cost of the petrol.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 09:22 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 10:21 AM)
You obviously dont have children Timbo or you would understand it is not about having to walk to the doo that is the problem. It is trying to get the child out of the car and having space to get the pram out that requires a bigger space. Take a bus? No thanks I have 2 cars no way would I get on a scummy bus for more than the cost of the petrol.
I have no care if they get fired, they should have though about that first.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 09:25 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 10:22 AM)
I have no care if they get fired, they should have though about that first.
How would you sujest I get a weeks worth of family shopping home on the bus? Please think things through.
Posted by: Timbo May 24 2012, 09:29 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 10:21 AM)
You obviously dont have children Timbo or you would understand it is not about having to walk to the doo that is the problem. It is trying to get the child out of the car and having space to get the pram out that requires a bigger space. Take a bus? No thanks I have 2 cars no way would I get on a scummy bus for more than the cost of the petrol.
What does it matter whether I have children or not? I presume you do; and you are not the first parent to have to have children. The rest of the world can manage without parent and baby spaces, they are not in America, or Canada, if you keep the pram in the boot you can easily remove it and lift it over your car and place it in front of your car. If I can get out of my car in a tight parking spot without damaging another vehicle, as a grown man, I can get a baby out the same way - I know because I have done it! It's a little more effort but it doesn't really matter.
I didn't suggest you take a bus, I said that many parents take the bus and they do not complain. But I'm impressed with you having 2 cars.
On a personal note I think parent and baby spaces are stupid; having designated spaces for people who chose to pro-create... disabled people deserve the spaces, parents do not need them.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 09:31 AM
QUOTE (Timbo @ May 24 2012, 10:29 AM)
What does it matter whether I have children or not? I presume you do; and you are not the first parent to have to have children. The rest of the world can manage without parent and baby spaces, they are not in America, or Canada, if you keep the pram in the boot you can easily remove it and lift it over your car and place it in front of your car. If I can get out of my car in a tight parking spot without damaging another vehicle, as a grown man, I can get a baby out the same way - I know because I have done it! It's a little more effort but it doesn't really matter.
I didn't suggest you take a bus, I said that many parents take the bus and they do not complain. But I'm impressed with you having 2 cars.
On a personal note I think parent and baby spaces are stupid; having designated spaces for people who chose to pro-create... disabled people deserve the spaces, parents do not need them.
I didn't suggest you take a bus, I said that many parents take the bus and they do not complain. But I'm impressed with you having 2 cars.
On a personal note I think parent and baby spaces are stupid; having designated spaces for people who chose to pro-create... disabled people deserve the spaces, parents do not need them.
Like I said, when you have children you may lecture me on how to be a parent. Thankfully you do not.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 09:33 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 10:31 AM)
Like I said, when you have children you may lecture me on how to be a parent. Thankfully you do not.
Clearly providing anything for children is stupid then Timbo? Maybe we should close all the schools down ?
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 09:36 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 10:33 AM)
Clearly providing anything for children is stupid then Timbo? Maybe we should close all the schools down ?
More faults in your opinion, spaces in America are alot bigger than in the UK so there is no need for parent and child space. Have you ever lifted a pram? No as you dont have a child, therefore carrying it over the car would be again completely stupid.
Posted by: dannyboy May 24 2012, 09:41 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 10:36 AM)
More faults in your opinion, spaces in America are alot bigger than in the UK so there is no need for parent and child space. Have you ever lifted a pram? No as you dont have a child, therefore carrying it over the car would be again completely stupid.
Personally I can't see the fuss about parent child spaces. I hardly ever use them.
Posted by: Timbo May 24 2012, 09:43 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 10:36 AM)
More faults in your opinion, spaces in America are alot bigger than in the UK so there is no need for parent and child space. Have you ever lifted a pram? No as you dont have a child, therefore carrying it over the car would be again completely stupid.
I said I have done just that you nim-wit, if you bothered to read my post rather than quote posts incorrectly for no reason.... It was a fold up one, can't remember the brand as it was borrowed from the parent - It fitted nicely in the boot of my car, when I was babysitting for a friend. I parked in a normal space, lifted the pram out of the boot, placed it in front of the car when I had folded it back together, got the little guy out of the baby seat in the back, and put him in his pram, grabbed a basket and went shopping. At no point was I ran over, nor did I bash into another car's door and neither was it particularly difficult.
It's not rocket science, as they say!
And your whole "you don't' have children you can't comment" argument is getting dry. There are plenty of parents who aren't even capable of looking after themselves, let alone their children. Likewise there are plenty of people who don't have children who could be better parents than either you or I could ever be! So
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 09:52 AM
QUOTE (Timbo @ May 24 2012, 10:43 AM)
I said I have done just that you nim-wit, if you bothered to read my post rather than quote posts incorrectly for no reason.... It was a fold up one, can't remember the brand as it was borrowed from the parent - It fitted nicely in the boot of my car, when I was babysitting for a friend. I parked in a normal space, lifted the pram out of the boot, placed it in front of the car when I had folded it back together, got the little guy out of the baby seat in the back, and put him in his pram, grabbed a basket and went shopping. At no point was I ran over, nor did I bash into another car's door and neither was it particularly difficult.
It's not rocket science, as they say!
And your whole "you don't' have children you can't comment" argument is getting dry. There are plenty of parents who aren't even capable of looking after themselves, let alone their children. Likewise there are plenty of people who don't have children who could be better parents than either you or I could ever be! So
It's not rocket science, as they say!
And your whole "you don't' have children you can't comment" argument is getting dry. There are plenty of parents who aren't even capable of looking after themselves, let alone their children. Likewise there are plenty of people who don't have children who could be better parents than either you or I could ever be! So
A pram or a foldaway buggy, do you know the different? And a car seat of a infant carrier?
Posted by: JeffG May 24 2012, 10:57 AM
QUOTE (JeffG @ May 23 2012, 11:51 AM)
@Biker1: I thought they called them conductors these days.
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 23 2012, 12:07 PM)
What's all this @Biker1 stuff?
QUOTE (Newbelly @ May 23 2012, 03:26 PM)
This d*mn #twitter generation?!
I'd seen this used as a way of replying to someone indirectly long before I'd heard of Twitter.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 11:09 AM
If a supermarket put in parent and child spaces I will use them, I have priority over people who have no children in their cars. As I has said before unless you have young children yourself you have no clue what it is like to bring up a child, I know this as I have been on both sides of the fence, believe me when I say looking after a child for a few hours is no comparison.
Posted by: Biker1 May 24 2012, 11:17 AM
Parent & Child spaces - totally unnecessary but foisted upon us by the PC generation.
Why is it only supermarket car parks that have them?
(Are we deviating here from complaining about FGW??? )
Posted by: Timbo May 24 2012, 11:22 AM
Some people would think no-one else has ever had to raise kid. Are you the first?
I suppose you also need to eat horse poo to know it's not very palatable. Maybe that explains the constant stress you seem to be in, can be quite hard to remove from between the teeth.
I hope when I have children I become as self-righteous and up myself as you. Because they do give me the right to be an *** as well.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 11:23 AM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 24 2012, 12:17 PM)
Parent & Child spaces - totally unnecessary but foisted upon us by the PC generation.
Why is it only supermarket car parks that have them?
(Are we deviating here from complaining about FGW??? )
Why is it only supermarket car parks that have them?
(Are we deviating here from complaining about FGW???
)Do you have children Biker1? Have you tried parking a family sized car with child in one of the stupidly small places? Am guessing the answer is no. Again people on here trying to put across opinions without having been in the situation.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 11:24 AM
QUOTE (Timbo @ May 24 2012, 12:22 PM)
Some people would think no-one else has ever had to raise kid. Are you the first?
I suppose you also need to eat horse poo to know it's not very palatable. Maybe that explains the constant stress you seem to be in, can be quite hard to remove from between the teeth.
I hope when I have children I become as self-righteous and up myself as you. Because they do give me the right to be an *** as well.
I suppose you also need to eat horse poo to know it's not very palatable. Maybe that explains the constant stress you seem to be in, can be quite hard to remove from between the teeth.
I hope when I have children I become as self-righteous and up myself as you. Because they do give me the right to be an *** as well.
You make an idiot of yourself telling a parent what to do when you have no children of your own, one day you will learn.
Posted by: dannyboy May 24 2012, 11:25 AM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ May 24 2012, 12:17 PM)
Parent & Child spaces - totally unnecessary but foisted upon us by the PC generation.
Why is it only supermarket car parks that have them?
(Are we deviating here from complaining about FGW??? )
Why is it only supermarket car parks that have them?
(Are we deviating here from complaining about FGW???
)I think you'll find it is the supermarkets trying to think up cheap ways of enticing customers to their stores.
IMHO the spaces are pointless & yes I do have a child under 5.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 11:28 AM
QUOTE (dannyboy @ May 24 2012, 12:25 PM)
I think you'll find it is the supermarkets trying to think up cheap ways of enticing customers to their stores.
IMHO the spaces are pointless & yes I do have a child under 5.
IMHO the spaces are pointless & yes I do have a child under 5.
They are not pointless they make it alot easier to go shopping with a small child.
Posted by: desres123 May 24 2012, 11:33 AM
Didn't realise greatwesterns stop at supermarkets
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 11:34 AM
I swear this place is full of trolls who like to argue against anything. If I said school is a good idea am sure some clever idiot would tell me they are not needed. I think your all possibly one person trying to ruin the board.
Posted by: desres123 May 24 2012, 11:36 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 12:34 PM)
I swear this place is full of trolls who like to argue against anything. If I said school is a good idea am sure some clever idiot would tell me they are not needed. I think your all possibly one person trying to ruin the board.
talk about "pot calling the kettle black"
Posted by: Timbo May 24 2012, 11:39 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 12:24 PM)
You make an idiot of yourself telling a parent what to do when you have no children of your own, one day you will learn.
You just make an idiot of yourself regardless.
And with that I apologise to the other people who wanted to talk about FGW and will not drag this any further off topic.
Posted by: dannyboy May 24 2012, 11:40 AM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 12:28 PM)
They are not pointless they make it alot easier to go shopping with a small child.
In your opinion. In my opinion they offer so little in the way of extra ease that it isn't worth the bother of expressly trying to park in one.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 11:41 AM
QUOTE (Timbo @ May 24 2012, 12:39 PM)
You just make an idiot of yourself regardless.
And with that I apologise to the other people who wanted to talk about FGW and will not drag this any further off topic.
And with that I apologise to the other people who wanted to talk about FGW and will not drag this any further off topic.
I did'nt bring up parent and child parking, I sujest you take it up with them. When/If you ever have children you will realise what a fool you are lecturing people who already have them.
Posted by: JeffG May 24 2012, 11:54 AM
Somehow we managed to bring up two children before they even dreamt up parent with child spaces. I suppose I'll never know how we did. Anyway, back to FGW.
Posted by: Biker1 May 24 2012, 03:47 PM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 12:23 PM)
Do you have children Biker1? Have you tried parking a family sized car with child in one of the stupidly small places? Am guessing the answer is no. Again people on here trying to put across opinions without having been in the situation.
The answers are yes and yes.
You guessed wrong!
Posted by: Penelope May 24 2012, 04:00 PM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 12:28 PM)
They are not pointless they make it alot easier to go shopping with a small child.
Yeah, so your partner says.
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 04:04 PM
QUOTE (Penelope @ May 24 2012, 05:00 PM)
Yeah, so your partner says.
I always go with her
Posted by: Penelope May 24 2012, 04:09 PM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 05:04 PM)
I always go with her
That's what I meant, Oh never mind
Posted by: andy1979uk May 24 2012, 04:16 PM
QUOTE (Penelope @ May 24 2012, 05:09 PM)
That's what I meant, Oh never mind
Oh sorry, long day.
Posted by: Penelope May 24 2012, 04:33 PM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 05:16 PM)
Oh sorry, long day.
That's OK.
Posted by: On the edge May 24 2012, 07:17 PM
17.03 from Paddin gtoin very late today. But, we were kept informed and once the trfain did advise, the Guard (or whatever he calls himself) gave the impression that he at least was concerned. Anyway, the replacement train was clearly a last minute diversion, everyone seemed to get a seat. Slow running between Theale and Aldermaston for obvious reasons. However, we got home informed and in reasonabkle comfort! I even felt sorry for FGW people having to sort the mess - must be slipping!
Posted by: Berkshirelad May 24 2012, 07:58 PM
QUOTE (andy1979uk @ May 24 2012, 10:36 AM)
More faults in your opinion, spaces in America are alot bigger than in the UK so there is no need for parent and child space.
...because the cars are lot bigger as well.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 23 2015, 07:18 AM
Good news OTE and other fans!!
First Great Western is no more as of next month. 
As in the famous song - "Things Can Only Get Better"!!
Posted by: On the edge Aug 23 2015, 08:11 AM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2015, 08:18 AM)
Good news OTE and other fans!!
First Great Western is no more as of next month.
As in the famous song - "Things Can Only Get Better"!!
First Great Western is no more as of next month.
As in the famous song - "Things Can Only Get Better"!!
Don't keep us in suspense Biker!
Posted by: HeatherW Aug 23 2015, 08:19 AM
I try not to use the train service anymore because of their bad service. If I go to London I usually park at a friends and use the London underground. Didn't Prescott say, when he was in a minister, that he will get everybody using trains, instead of cars? On top of this the train fare keeps going up.
Posted by: Mr Brown Aug 23 2015, 02:15 PM
QUOTE (HeatherW @ Aug 23 2015, 09:19 AM)
I try not to use the train service anymore because of their bad service. If I go to London I usually park at a friends and use the London underground. Didn't Prescott say, when he was in a minister, that he will get everybody using trains, instead of cars? On top of this the train fare keeps going up.
That's very yesterday HeatherW! I'm back on the edge of London, so don't need a car. Public transport is so much more reliable and available than when I lived in Newbury though. The trains were OK, although grubby and slow, but there were no busses to speak of, apart from the Vodafone one and you weren't allowed on that.
Posted by: Ruth Aug 23 2015, 03:53 PM
QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Aug 23 2015, 03:15 PM)
That's very yesterday HeatherW! I'm back on the edge of London, so don't need a car. Public transport is so much more reliable and available than when I lived in Newbury though. The trains were OK, although grubby and slow, but there were no busses to speak of, apart from the Vodafone one and you weren't allowed on that.
I thought that Vodafone would be better of allowing the public to use their buses as it would help with fuel consumption and vehicle congestion. That would be a real public service they could give us. I always read of them being criticised, by allowing the public access to their buses would be giving something back to the community.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 23 2015, 04:32 PM
QUOTE (HeatherW @ Aug 23 2015, 09:19 AM)
I try not to use the train service anymore because of their bad service. If I go to London I usually park at a friends and use the London underground.
Yes absolutely because there are never any problems or hold ups on the roads are there?
Isn't the London Underground run using trains?
Is the "bad service" that which you have experienced, or that which you have heard in the media?
Posted by: HeatherW Aug 23 2015, 04:44 PM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2015, 04:32 PM)
Yes absolutely because there are never any problems or hold ups on the roads are there?
Isn't the London Underground run using trains?
Is the "bad service" that which you have experienced, or that which you have heard in the media?
Isn't the London Underground run using trains?
Is the "bad service" that which you have experienced, or that which you have heard in the media?
I suppose it depends on what time and where you travel on the road. If I go to London I usually leave early, so, no, there are no trouble on the roads on which I travel.
Yes, the underground is run by trains. But they are regular and on time. Unlike Great Western. You could be on a Great Western Train for a couple of hours, but underground you are normally a few stops away from your destination.
Both smart Alec. I hope I've replied to your satisfaction and I pass your examination test?
Posted by: Ruth Aug 23 2015, 04:52 PM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2015, 05:32 PM)
Yes absolutely because there are never any problems or hold ups on the roads are there?
Isn't the London Underground run using trains?
Is the "bad service" that which you have experienced, or that which you have heard in the media?
Isn't the London Underground run using trains?
Is the "bad service" that which you have experienced, or that which you have heard in the media?
What stupid questions. I regularly travel on the roads and it is all about timing. Of course that doesn't mean you won't get caught out, but they are not frequent enough to worry.
London underground can be chaotic at certain times, but they are usually on time, as Heather pointed out, and you are not that long on them usually.
Speaking for myself I have found the trains to London very bad. Either very crowded, poor service and certainly late. And you could be on them hours.
By your questions you seem to have never been on the trains, roads or underground. At least with roads you can plan your journey. I prefer car journey to train journey, and I certainly prefer Underground to train journey's.
Posted by: HeatherW Aug 23 2015, 04:56 PM
Thank you Ruth, but I think he was just being obtuse. Some on here just spend so much time here that they run out of sensible questions, if they ever had any, and then just go into a stupid mode.
Posted by: Ruth Aug 23 2015, 04:58 PM
Oh, I know. I think it is male ego thing, flexing their muscles to show us girlies how clever they are and all knowledgeable. If they only could look in the mirror sometimes.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 23 2015, 05:00 PM
QUOTE (Ruth @ Aug 23 2015, 05:52 PM)
What stupid questions.
Thank-you!
QUOTE (Ruth @ Aug 23 2015, 05:52 PM)
I regularly travel on the roads and it is all about timing. Of course that doesn't mean you won't get caught out, but they are not frequent enough to worry.
Not my experience. Hold ups are frequent and often lengthy.
QUOTE (Ruth @ Aug 23 2015, 05:52 PM)
Speaking for myself I have found the trains to London very bad. Either very crowded, poor service and certainly late.
Crowded in rush times, yes, often - like motorways.
Poor service - what do you mean?
Late, yes many times but how often can you time your arrival to the nearest minute by road?
QUOTE (Ruth @ Aug 23 2015, 05:52 PM)
And you could be on them hours.
Like motorways.
QUOTE (Ruth @ Aug 23 2015, 05:52 PM)
By your questions you seem to have never been on the trains, roads or underground.
QUOTE (Ruth @ Aug 23 2015, 05:52 PM)
At least with roads you can plan your journey.
Can you? How does that differ to rail?
Posted by: HeatherW Aug 23 2015, 05:01 PM
Spot on Ruth, males and their toys. They say that if males had the same power that they have in their pants they could, and I emphasis 'could,' they might just manage to say something sensible.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 23 2015, 05:03 PM
QUOTE (HeatherW @ Aug 23 2015, 05:56 PM)
Thank you Ruth, but I think he was just being obtuse. Some on here just spend so much time here that they run out of sensible questions, if they ever had any, and then just go into a stupid mode.
Another insult!
Sensible debate please ladies!
Posted by: Ruth Aug 23 2015, 05:03 PM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2015, 06:00 PM)
Thank-you!
Not my experience. Hold ups are frequent and often lengthy.
Crowded in rush times, yes, often - like motorways.
Poor service - what do you mean?
Late, yes many times but how often can you time your arrival to the nearest minute by road?
Like motorways.
Can you? How does that differ to rail?
Not my experience. Hold ups are frequent and often lengthy.
Crowded in rush times, yes, often - like motorways.
Poor service - what do you mean?
Late, yes many times but how often can you time your arrival to the nearest minute by road?
Like motorways.
Can you? How does that differ to rail?
I think that you answered your own question in a nutshell. "Not your experience". There is more than one experience on this earth. I am not disputing your experience, as you shouldn't dispute mine.
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 23 2015, 05:04 PM
QUOTE (HeatherW @ Aug 23 2015, 06:01 PM)
Spot on Ruth, males and their toys. They say that if males had the same power that they have in their pants they could, and I emphasis 'could,' they might just manage to say something sensible.
Now it's become sexist!
What on earth has this issue to do with a male pant content power?
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 23 2015, 05:05 PM
QUOTE (Ruth @ Aug 23 2015, 06:03 PM)
I think that you answered your own question in a nutshell. "Not your experience". There is more than one experience on this earth. I am not disputing your experience, as you shouldn't dispute mine.
Fair enough.
End of discussion.
It's got silly anyway.
Posted by: HeatherW Aug 23 2015, 05:06 PM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2015, 05:03 PM)
Another insult!
Sensible debate please ladies!
Sensible debate please ladies!
I agree Biker, I just wished you had started it so that I could follow suit. But I understand you want a woman to lead you. Such as the way of life
Posted by: HeatherW Aug 23 2015, 05:07 PM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2015, 05:05 PM)
Fair enough.
End of discussion.
It's got silly anyway.
End of discussion.
It's got silly anyway.
I don't wish to be picky here, but you started it and we only tried to follow your male lead.
Posted by: HeatherW Aug 23 2015, 05:08 PM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2015, 05:04 PM)
Now it's become sexist!
What on earth has this issue to do with a male pant content power?
What on earth has this issue to do with a male pant content power?
You need to ask? Men!
Posted by: Ruth Aug 23 2015, 05:10 PM
QUOTE (HeatherW @ Aug 23 2015, 06:08 PM)
You need to ask? Men!
To be fair Heather, you can't live without them, after all who will do the washing up when you've had a hard day earning a decent crust?
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 23 2015, 05:12 PM
QUOTE (HeatherW @ Aug 23 2015, 06:07 PM)
I don't wish to be picky here, but you started it and we only tried to follow your male lead.
I didn't start the insults or sexism.
The point was made about poor rail service and the merits of road / car transport and I simply tried to make a comparison.
No "smart alec", no "stupidity", no problems with "ego" and no brandishing of "pant power".
Hey ho!!
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 23 2015, 05:30 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 23 2015, 09:11 AM)
Don't keep us in suspense Biker!
Yes, back to the original reason for my bumping this thread...................
Don't get too excited OTE, just a change of brand.....................sorry!!
Posted by: HeatherW Aug 23 2015, 05:36 PM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2015, 05:12 PM)
I didn't start the insults or sexism.
The point was made about poor rail service and the merits of road / car transport and I simply tried to make a comparison.
No "smart alec", no "stupidity", no problems with "ego" and no brandishing of "pant power".
Hey ho!!
The point was made about poor rail service and the merits of road / car transport and I simply tried to make a comparison.
No "smart alec", no "stupidity", no problems with "ego" and no brandishing of "pant power".
Hey ho!!
I am glad you made that clear.
Posted by: On the edge Aug 23 2015, 06:13 PM
QUOTE (Biker1 @ Aug 23 2015, 06:30 PM)
Yes, back to the original reason for my bumping this thread...................
Don't get too excited OTE, just a change of brand.....................sorry!!
Don't get too excited OTE, just a change of brand.....................sorry!!
...well, I'm not going to complain; particularly as the lad at the Newbury ticket window sold me a really cheap, travel anytime, period return, which included the Tube, just because I was going on Eurostar! And I only went to the window because a couple of wrinklies were making a right fist of the self service machines.
Posted by: GMR Aug 23 2015, 06:29 PM
QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 23 2015, 07:13 PM)
...well, I'm not going to complain; particularly as the lad at the Newbury ticket window sold me a really cheap, travel anytime, period return, which included the Tube, just because I was going on Eurostar! And I only went to the window because a couple of wrinklies were making a right fist of the self service machines.
I hate using those machines. I always go to the window. Besides, a recent programme stated that those machines don't always give you the best prices. And on top of that they are known to break down half way through an transaction. And if nobody is around then you are in trouble.
Posted by: Andy Capp Aug 23 2015, 07:21 PM
I see the resident misandrists are out in force this afternoon with their hypocritically puerile comments.
Trains and cars are horses for courses. I think trains are too expensive but only if you run a budget car. Reliability is ok so long as you have a forgiving boss, because you will have an occasional nightmare; however, the sponsor of that nightmare, in my experience, is Network Rail. GW trains, in the main, are win 10 minutes of schedule.
Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Aug 23 2015, 07:40 PM
QUOTE (Mugwump00 @ May 22 2012, 11:24 AM)
Hello all,
I need to/choose to/regret using the 9:03 from Thatcham to Reading twice a week. Have done so for 4 years. I've sat down about twice.
1GW are clearly taking the P here, this is a busy service and Thatcham is far from an inconsequential stop these days (I think more embark here than at Newbury). This service is ALWAYS 2 carriages short.
Anyone had a similar grievance, and how did they present it to 1GW? How did they get on?
I need to/choose to/regret using the 9:03 from Thatcham to Reading twice a week. Have done so for 4 years. I've sat down about twice.
1GW are clearly taking the P here, this is a busy service and Thatcham is far from an inconsequential stop these days (I think more embark here than at Newbury). This service is ALWAYS 2 carriages short.
Anyone had a similar grievance, and how did they present it to 1GW? How did they get on?
You sound lazy to me. The 0630 from Newbury is always pretty empty.
Posted by: blackdog Aug 23 2015, 08:16 PM
I rarely use a train - two simple reasons, they take longer and cost more than using my car. And that's for places they actually go to.
Posted by: On the edge Aug 23 2015, 08:58 PM
These days my main commutes these days are either London or big conurbations off M4 so for me, the train is generally quicker than by car, particularly with the constant hold ups for accidents, roadworks etc. which seem to blight our roads these days. Even locally, the traffic round Newbury is an absolute nightmare. A4 in particular. I can't rely on good old Newbury (timetable wot timetable) busses to get me to the station so I'm driven; twice in recent weeks I've jumped out if the car half way and walked the rest.
Quite agree with AndyCapp who blames Network Rail for the trains problem. Market forces have manifestly failed there! Ironic then that many of us are anti Jeremy Corbyn's potential solution!
Posted by: Biker1 Aug 24 2015, 07:23 AM
QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 23 2015, 08:21 PM)
Trains and cars are horses for courses.
Quite agree Andy particularly with OTE saying "constant hold ups for accidents, roadworks etc. which seem to blight our roads these days. Even locally, the traffic round Newbury is an absolute nightmare."
And Heather saying hold-ups are "not frequent enough to worry" and "there are no trouble on the roads on which I travel".
It is down to individual experience and perception.
I just try and keep the balance sometimes - sometimes misinterpreted as flexing my muscles and lacking in power due to a diversion of such to the contents of my pants!!!
Posted by: Berkshirelad Aug 25 2015, 04:13 PM
QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Aug 23 2015, 03:15 PM)
That's very yesterday HeatherW! I'm back on the edge of London, so don't need a car. Public transport is so much more reliable and available than when I lived in Newbury though. The trains were OK, although grubby and slow, but there were no busses to speak of, apart from the Vodafone one and you weren't allowed on that.
Vodafone provide the buses free for employees to travel between Vodafone sites and home/station/town. This is an attempt to reduce the number of cars on the road.To allow non-Vodafone employees to use the buses means that employees would then be liable for income tax on the benefit-in-kind of free travel.
Posted by: Berkshirelad Aug 25 2015, 04:14 PM
QUOTE (HeatherW @ Aug 23 2015, 05:44 PM)
Yes, the underground is run by trains.
Actually, I think the trains are run by Underground (TfL)
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