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post Jun 9 2017, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 9 2017, 09:19 PM) *
Listening to some Tories, I believe getting May in charge was an act of sabotage.


Yep. Remainers. Dark art. She was useless. Gotta go. Isabel Oakshott for me. She should become an MP. At least she seems to be normal. And very pretty.😂
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post Jun 9 2017, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 9 2017, 08:55 PM) *
Just a thought.

After hearing certain 'high' Tory responses, it's pretty clear that TM is roundly disliked and indeed that feeling is by no means new. I'm far from convinced she took the decision to go to the Country all on her own. It wasn't particularly sensible idea and any student of political history will tell you that past experience on PMs doing this generally results in disaster. Tory high command always take a long view, so I smell a rat here. To me, this whole affair is beginning to look like a deliberate own goal by the party's central powers.

I quite like her, but she as to go, let the dust settles and slip her out the back door. What we need is a young figurehead, someone who can talk to the young without talking down to them. Sort of "Yo! Bro, stop dissin da Tories man" sort of thing.


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post Jun 10 2017, 05:30 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 9 2017, 09:30 PM) *
Yep. Remainers. Dark art. She was useless. Gotta go. Isabel Oakshott for me. She should become an MP. At least she seems to be normal. And very pretty.😂


Would it not be better to have someone who wasn't part of the problem?


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post Jun 10 2017, 05:56 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 10 2017, 06:30 AM) *
Would it not be better to have someone who wasn't part of the problem?


Suggestions???
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post Jun 10 2017, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 10 2017, 06:56 AM) *
Suggestions???


If Tory party had any credibility at all, they'll keep the one they've got. Does anyone honestly believe that Theresa May was totally and solely responsible for calling the election and the campaign decisions? And that they the other senior MPs simply stood by and said nothing even though they were dead against what she was doing! Because, if that has even a smattering of truth in it, these people are not competent to run a parish council, let alone the country.


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post Jun 10 2017, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 10 2017, 11:17 AM) *
If Tory party had any credibility at all, they'll keep the one they've got. Does anyone honestly believe that Theresa May was totally and solely responsible for calling the election and the campaign decisions? And that they the other senior MPs simply stood by and said nothing even though they were dead against what she was doing! Because, if that has even a smattering of truth in it, these people are not competent to run a parish council, let alone the country.

Or negotiate Brexit.
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post Jun 10 2017, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 9 2017, 02:17 PM) *
Should be some old friends there for Jeremy to chat to. 😏

They think Jeremy is in league with the devil - wouldn't been seen dead talking to him. Which really is a negative for Jeremy - when he was talking to the IRA he shuold have been talking to the UDA as well.
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post Jun 10 2017, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 9 2017, 07:34 PM) *
Yep. Still going. Countries fooked. See Lilly Allen is outside downing street with a load of other numpties. I predict a riot. Our way or the highway. Thats the lefty way. And democracy? No one seems to realise that May was a disaster and still recorded one of the highest percentage of Tory votes at a GE ever. JC will get in soon. You just have a bit more time now to plan an exit.


High in modern times but a long way from the highest ever (Baldwin, for instance, got 55% - a proper majority). Corbyn also got a high percentage - it's far more reminiscent of elections pre-Thatcher.


May will go because she ran a dreadful campaign - the decision to call an election is now seen as a disaster, but it was the way they cocked up the campaign that was the real disaster, it's almost as if they wanted to lose.
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post Jun 10 2017, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 10 2017, 11:17 AM) *
If Tory party had any credibility at all, they'll keep the one they've got. Does anyone honestly believe that Theresa May was totally and solely responsible for calling the election and the campaign decisions? And that they the other senior MPs simply stood by and said nothing even though they were dead against what she was doing! Because, if that has even a smattering of truth in it, these people are not competent to run a parish council, let alone the country.

May will go because she has demonstrated her inability to lead an election campaign - like it or not you have to have a media savvy leader these days. And she will have to go soon in case the DUP loonies drop the Tories in it and they have to call another election.
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post Jun 10 2017, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jun 10 2017, 03:28 PM) *
May will go because she has demonstrated her inability to lead an election campaign - like it or not you have to have a media savvy leader these days. And she will have to go soon in case the DUP loonies drop the Tories in it and they have to call another election.


But how does that explain Jeremy Corbyn? His peer MPs loathe him, his media coverage was demonstrably biased, key supporters (Ms A) were shown up as badly lacking and in spite of criticisim stuck rigidly to his principles. However, by all accounts, he's strongly supported and esteemed by the party activists.

Similarly, the LibDems are building back strength under someone with very limited charisma, even with his apparently media savvy predecessor sh****** on the deck whenever he had the opportunity.

I'd agree, that superficially it would look like TM is damaged, but really, it's party inflicted. And again, it beggars belief that Mrs May and her private team ran the campaign. Shure, she threw the majority, but all she's really done is a Stanley Baldwin.

My take is that the Tories would be far better advised to put their collars up and turn their backs to the wind. What's happened may well be the best thing for both nation and party in the longer term.


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post Jun 10 2017, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 10 2017, 08:12 PM) *
But how does that explain Jeremy Corbyn? His peer MPs loathe him, his media coverage was demonstrably biased, key supporters (Ms A) were shown up as badly lacking and in spite of criticisim stuck rigidly to his principles. However, by all accounts, he's strongly supported and esteemed by the party activists.

Similarly, the LibDems are building back strength under someone with very limited charisma, even with his apparently media savvy predecessor sh****** on the deck whenever he had the opportunity.

I'd agree, that superficially it would look like TM is damaged, but really, it's party inflicted. And again, it beggars belief that Mrs May and her private team ran the campaign. Shure, she threw the majority, but all she's really done is a Stanley Baldwin.

My take is that the Tories would be far better advised to put their collars up and turn their backs to the wind. What's happened may well be the best thing for both nation and party in the longer term.

I think that last paragraph is very probably correct.
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post Jun 10 2017, 09:30 PM
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Nah, the Tories have exposed how hopeless they are. They have nothing, not even a good liar.
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post Jun 10 2017, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 10 2017, 10:30 PM) *
Nah, the Tories have exposed how hopeless they are. They have nothing, not even a good liar.

Let's not forget who won.
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post Jun 10 2017, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 10 2017, 10:33 PM) *
Let's not forget who won.

Well they had the most seats but they lost their majority and are propped up by a bunch of nutty creationists. A bit like Labour using Sinn Fein. Total hypocrisy.
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post Jun 10 2017, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 10 2017, 10:33 PM) *
Let's not forget who won.


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post Jun 10 2017, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 10 2017, 10:37 PM) *
Well they had the most seats but they lost their majority and are propped up by a bunch of nutty creationists. A bit like Labour using Sinn Fein. Total hypocrisy.

Still won though, 60 seats.
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post Jun 10 2017, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 10 2017, 10:33 PM) *
Let's not forget who won.

They won more seats, but lost their overall majority. They have now called several elections for reasons of party vanity. They don't deserve to be in power; they are wrecking the country. W*nkers.
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post Jun 10 2017, 11:33 PM
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner. 😂
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post Jun 11 2017, 06:10 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 11 2017, 12:33 AM) *
Winner, winner, chicken dinner. 😂


Yes, she won. So her enjoy the victors spoils and form a Government, she won, so she won't need any tawdry pacts or shabby coalitions. I agree Je Suis, she should go it alone, the winner as winner will have the respect of the other parties. Yes, a win is something to celebrate......


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post Jun 11 2017, 06:34 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 07:10 AM) *
Yes, she won. So her enjoy the victors spoils and form a Government, she won, so she won't need any tawdry pacts or shabby coalitions. I agree Je Suis, she should go it alone, the winner as winner will have the respect of the other parties. Yes, a win is something to celebrate......


We need another election. Now. I want JC to win. This would be the best result for the Country. Within 2 years he would be gone and Labour sank without trace. May should do the decent thing.
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