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Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 6 2020, 05:38 PM

Yes. They do.


Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 7 2020, 08:44 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 6 2020, 06:38 PM) *
Yes. They do.


In a Country, (USA), that has an annual murder rate of over 15,000, to get hysterical over one incident, however heinous, seems completely irrational to me. I understand their frustration over having an administration that "appears" to be racially bias but adopting a scorched earth policy in order to bring change is hardly the most sensible thinking. Maybe their collective anger should be taken to the Democrats front door so their voice can count at the polls in November?
If this incident had been a black officer and a white suspect it wouldn't have made 2 column inches in the local rag but the scenario would have been exactly the same.
Now we have thousands congregating in mass protest in this Country, which is probably the most liberal on the planet, and putting the Covid 19 battle back weeks. If, as I understand it, ethnic groups are at an increased risk from this virus why are they putting themselves and their families in harms way? If people can't see the broader picture then we may as well throw the towel in now and embrace mass extinction number 6, or possibly 7. angry.gif

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 8 2020, 04:03 AM

If black lives matter then why do many die in, say Africa, every day from starvation and disease?
Mostly children??

Posted by: Mr Brown Jun 8 2020, 06:43 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 8 2020, 05:03 AM) *
If black lives matter then why do many die in, say Africa, every day from starvation and disease?
Mostly children??


Quite so.

Yes, it doesn't matter who you are, there is something very wrong with American policing and which is vile. It's this that needs sorting.




Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 8 2020, 07:27 AM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Jun 8 2020, 07:43 AM) *
Quite so.

Yes, it doesn't matter who you are, there is something very wrong with American policing and which is vile. It's this that needs sorting.


Not quite sure this is the answer though?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ACLUMN/status/1269738051498106880

Community policing? Who can afford the "right" protection?
This will not end up well.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 8 2020, 09:27 AM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Jun 8 2020, 07:43 AM) *
Quite so.

Yes, it doesn't matter who you are, there is something very wrong with American policing and which is vile. It's this that needs sorting.


It may be an over simplification by someone who is viewing from a few thousand miles away but are the american police not responding to the criminal wave in front of them? I agree it abhorrent to our eyes but if you or your family had been subjected to a vicious crime would you not demand a tough preventative stance? Now it is agreed that the chap who triggered this public outpouring of rage did no more than use a dud banknote but we are missing the point in that if we didn't have criminals we wouldn't need police. So assuming that is a purely theoretical scenario how else do you control a country that arms it's citizens without any thought to the consequences?
Yes the usa is a racially bigoted place run by a bloke who who would make the skin creep on a black mamba but he will not be around for ever, yet previous, and probably subsequent, administrations have yet to address this issue.
But, and as always it is a big but, this is another country and in that respect no worse than china/north korea /venezuela et alia. Which begs the question "Why is it ok to use brutality to control persons of the same skin tone but not of differing colour?" I am not naive enough not to recognise a completely racist motive but tearing down a statue of Edward Colston is hardly going to eradicate that mindset, especially when I very much doubt most americans,or brits for that sake, have heard of him.

The sooner we stop using the word black/african american/ ethnic etc the quicker we arrive at a society that is completely encompassed with equality.

Posted by: Andy1 Jun 8 2020, 05:20 PM

When Greenpeace campaign to save the rainforests. No explanation is required as to why other forests are less important. It's obvious.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 8 2020, 06:55 PM

I'd pay to watch this on PPV. I'll be getting some popcorn in for the weekend...😂😂

https://mobile.twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1270043232924307459


Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 9 2020, 07:24 PM

https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/30877/black-lives-matter-protests-to-be-held-in-newbury-this-week-following-killing-of-george-floyd-in-minneapolis.html


Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 9 2020, 10:03 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 9 2020, 08:24 PM) *
https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/30877/black-lives-matter-protests-to-be-held-in-newbury-this-week-following-killing-of-george-floyd-in-minneapolis.html

So, what time does the looting start? #needanewtelly

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 10 2020, 08:48 AM

There's a "protest" in Victoria Park.
Is the statue of said queen doomed??

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 10 2020, 08:53 AM

https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/home/22413/sculptor-gets-go-ahead-for-bronze-statue-of-jack-of-newbury.html
If so I hope he hasn't got any skeletons in his cupboard!

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 10 2020, 09:08 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 9 2020, 11:03 PM) *
So, what time does the looting start? #needanewtelly


biggrin.gif I feel your pain. Once I have heard the headlines the news goes OFF. Everyone is entitled to an opinion which is why we have little forums like this or larger audiences via "letters to the editor" in the national rags, but bloody hellfire this is getting out of control.
Would it have occurred had we not been in the middle of the ongoing pandemic? Very much doubt it but the BNP and white supremacy factions must be rubbing their hands with unbridled glee at what is unfolding.
Rhetorical histrionics is one thing, ripping down monuments with "public" support is completely unacceptable and ANY politician who advocates such actions is undeserving of office. Where does it stop? Even Stonehenge is at risk if anything that represents oppression is destroyed. They just don't seem to realise that history is something we are all part of and in 200 years time such acts of vandalism will be on a par with Elgin ripping the fresco from the Parthenon or isis destroying the temple of baalshamin.

Anyway will await the banner waving hordes with a little trepidation and a lot of sorrow.

Posted by: Mr Brown Jun 10 2020, 10:41 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 10 2020, 10:08 AM) *
biggrin.gif I feel your pain. Once I have heard the headlines the news goes OFF. Everyone is entitled to an opinion which is why we have little forums like this or larger audiences via "letters to the editor" in the national rags, but bloody hellfire this is getting out of control.
Would it have occurred had we not been in the middle of the ongoing pandemic? Very much doubt it but the BNP and white supremacy factions must be rubbing their hands with unbridled glee at what is unfolding.
Rhetorical histrionics is one thing, ripping down monuments with "public" support is completely unacceptable and ANY politician who advocates such actions is undeserving of office. Where does it stop? Even Stonehenge is at risk if anything that represents oppression is destroyed. They just don't seem to realise that history is something we are all part of and in 200 years time such acts of vandalism will be on a par with Elgin ripping the fresco from the Parthenon or isis destroying the temple of baalshamin.

Anyway will await the banner waving hordes with a little trepidation and a lot of sorrow.


Posted by: Mr Brown Jun 10 2020, 10:45 AM

The slave traders were simply middlemen.

Odd isn't it, we never hear about those who actually rounded up and provided the slaves.

Wonder who they were.....

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 10 2020, 11:30 AM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Jun 10 2020, 11:45 AM) *
The slave traders were simply middlemen.

Odd isn't it, we never hear about those who actually rounded up and provided the slaves.

Wonder who they were.....

Doesn't fit the narrative that all white men are racist, even if they are not. You should be on your knees begging for forgiveness that someone not related to you 300 years ago did a lot of bad things.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 10 2020, 05:03 PM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Jun 10 2020, 11:45 AM) *
The slave traders were simply middlemen.

Odd isn't it, we never hear about those who actually rounded up and provided the slaves.

Wonder who they were.....


Mustn't upset our oil suppliers, tut tut. Best thing that happened to Africa was the Atlantic transportation of the 17/18 th century, and before the world and it's dog descend on my house allow me to explain.
Firstly the slave traders from the arabian peninsula had been "harvesting" sub-saharan africa for a millennia prior and most of these poor souls were never seen again which leads to the assumption that it was less costly to replace than care for them.
Secondly. Though the voyage and subsequent employment was dreadful by our present standards it was on a par with european contemporaries and in some cases better.
Finally their children have been born into the richest country on the planet and despite opinions to the contrary the opportunities are boundless. Ask Barack Obama .

I now await the barrage of abuse from the left. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 10 2020, 05:18 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 10 2020, 06:03 PM) *
Mustn't upset our oil suppliers, tut tut. Best thing that happened to Africa was the Atlantic transportation of the 17/18 th century, and before the world and it's dog descend on my house allow me to explain.
Firstly the slave traders from the arabian peninsula had been "harvesting" sub-saharan africa for a millennia prior and most of these poor souls were never seen again which leads to the assumption that it was less costly to replace than care for them.
Secondly. Though the voyage and subsequent employment was dreadful by our present standards it was on a par with european contemporaries and in some cases better.
Finally their children have been born into the richest country on the planet and despite opinions to the contrary the opportunities are boundless. Ask Barack Obama .

I now await the barrage of abuse from the left. rolleyes.gif


You need to be deported for having views like that. Repent sir, for the sins of some ancestors you were not related to in any way. I take it you won't be on the March in Newbury and chucking Queen Victoria in the Kennet and Avon? Shame on you Sir.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 10 2020, 05:33 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 10 2020, 06:18 PM) *
You need to be deported for having views like that. Repent sir, for the sins of some ancestors you were not related to in any way. I take it you won't be on the March in Newbury and chucking Queen Victoria in the Kennet and Avon? Shame on you Sir.


Quite happily chuck the whole royal family past and present in the local cut as the number of half decent monarchs can be counted on the fingers of one hand, but I will defend rigorously to retain their position in history as that is the only way we can learn of past mistakes and not repeat them.
What is the difference between shipping slaves and the highland clearances? For the people concerned absolutely nothing but you don't hear the Scots banging on about it. (Well not much laugh.gif ).

Posted by: Mr Brown Jun 10 2020, 06:00 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 10 2020, 06:33 PM) *
Quite happily chuck the whole royal family past and present in the local cut as the number of half decent monarchs can be counted on the fingers of one hand, but I will defend rigorously to retain their position in history as that is the only way we can learn of past mistakes and not repeat them.
What is the difference between shipping slaves and the highland clearances? For the people concerned absolutely nothing but you don't hear the Scots banging on about it. (Well not much laugh.gif ).


Or indeed the those escaping the potato famine, or Russian programs, taken to work in New York sweat shops, ! Only difference I can see is that they paid for their passage and their eventual 'boss' didn't need to any more for them than dole out a few dollars. Didn't even need to put security in place - always more where they came from.

Posted by: Mr Brown Jun 10 2020, 06:04 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 10 2020, 06:18 PM) *
You need to be deported for having views like that. Repent sir, for the sins of some ancestors you were not related to in any way. I take it you won't be on the March in Newbury and chucking Queen Victoria in the Kennet and Avon? Shame on you Sir.


Rent a gobs can generally only cope with one idea at a time, so does this mean the Environment is no longer an emergency ?

Posted by: spartacus Jun 10 2020, 07:17 PM

The 'Taking a knee' thing is particularly abhorrent... especially those people that do it for around 8 minutes when it was a knee from a police officer that kicked this whole thing off.

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Jun 10 2020, 11:45 AM) *
The slave traders were simply middlemen.

Odd isn't it, we never hear about those who actually rounded up and provided the slaves.

Wonder who they were.....
As for the 'white man bad, black man good, black man victim' agenda there's always been a glossing over of the massive part that various inter-tribal wars and rivalries had to play in the whole process. If it wasn't for the efforts of various black tribes and Kingdoms in rounding up their opponents and selling them to the slave traders there wouldn't be a BLM movement at all... Europeans entering the continent in search of slaves wouldn't have last a week before succumbing to malaria or some other disease. It's the sort of thing that should be met with embarrassed shuffling of feet and averting eyes when the subject of reparations is made against the nasty colonials as it was nations such as Nigeria, Senegal and Benin that benefited hugely from the trade.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-the-slave-traders-were-african-11568991595

Slavery was a standard part in the Circle of Life in Africa long before any white explorer set foot in the place. Slaves were taken as spoils of war and used for work, prostitution and sacrifice.

My daughter recently posted on her Facebook commenting about 'Educating herself about Black Lives Matter' and listening to a certain biased podcast. I suggested she educates herself and gets some balance... read about the Annual Customs of the Kingdom of Dahomey for instance. Dahomey (now Benin) held ceremonies to honour their King and it was normal for 500 (and up to around 4,000) slaves to be sacrificed by beheading

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 10 2020, 07:56 PM

QUOTE (spartacus @ Jun 10 2020, 08:17 PM) *
The 'Taking a knee' thing is particularly abhorrent... especially those people that do it for around 8 minutes when it was a knee from a police officer that kicked this whole thing off.

As for the 'white man bad, black man good, black man victim' agenda there's always been a glossing over of the massive part that various inter-tribal wars and rivalries had to play in the whole process. If it wasn't for the efforts of various black tribes and Kingdoms in rounding up their opponents and selling them to the slave traders there wouldn't be a BLM movement at all... Europeans entering the continent in search of slaves wouldn't have last a week before succumbing to malaria or some other disease. It's the sort of thing that should be met with embarrassed shuffling of feet and averting eyes when the subject of reparations is made against the nasty colonials as it was nations such as Nigeria, Senegal and Benin that benefited hugely from the trade.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/when-the-slave-traders-were-african-11568991595

Slavery was a standard part in the Circle of Life in Africa long before any white explorer set foot in the place. Slaves were taken as spoils of war and used for work, prostitution and sacrifice.

My daughter recently posted on her Facebook commenting about 'Educating herself about Black Lives Matter' and listening to a certain biased podcast. I suggested she educates herself and gets some balance... read about the Annual Customs of the Kingdom of Dahomey for instance. Dahomey (now Benin) held ceremonies to honour their King and it was normal for 500 (and up to around 4,000) slaves to be sacrificed by beheading

If some good comes from this little debacle it will be that those who had not given much thought to the matter will take time to research the issue and become a little more enlightened.
The bigots at either end will not change but the more they are marginalised the quicker we get to the sort of society we all seek.


Posted by: newres Jun 11 2020, 01:20 PM

The slavery thing's a bit of a red herring and side issue isn't it? I'm from Bristol and I think it's a shame that the Colston statue has distracted/hijacked the agenda. Slavery was obviously a bad thing and we shouldn't be paying homage to people who made a fortune out of it. Equally white people living now shouldn't feel guilty about it and shouldn't need either to say "well black people were involved in it too". If we stopped trying to claim pride for D Day when we weren't there, we might find it easier not to feel shame about slavery when we weren't there either.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 11 2020, 01:31 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 11 2020, 02:20 PM) *
The slavery thing's a bit of a red herring and side issue isn't it? I'm from Bristol and I think it's a shame that the Colston statue has distracted/hijacked the agenda. Slavery was obviously a bad thing and we shouldn't be paying homage to people who made a fortune out of it. Equally white people living now shouldn't feel guilty about it and shouldn't need either to say "well black people were involved in it too". If we stopped trying to claim pride for D Day when we weren't there, we might find it easier not to feel shame about slavery when we weren't there either. W

****, I sorry, but I actually agree with you. 100%. I must be coming down with something. 😷

Posted by: Mr Brown Jun 11 2020, 01:38 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 11 2020, 02:20 PM) *
The slavery thing's a bit of a red herring and side issue isn't it? I'm from Bristol and I think it's a shame that the Colston statue has distracted/hijacked the agenda. Slavery was obviously a bad thing and we shouldn't be paying homage to people who made a fortune out of it. Equally white people living now shouldn't feel guilty about it and shouldn't need either to say "well black people were involved in it too". If we stopped trying to claim pride for D Day when we weren't there, we might find it easier not to feel shame about slavery when we weren't there either.


Can't disagree with that.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 11 2020, 03:37 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 11 2020, 02:20 PM) *
The slavery thing's a bit of a red herring and side issue isn't it? I'm from Bristol and I think it's a shame that the Colston statue has distracted/hijacked the agenda. Slavery was obviously a bad thing and we shouldn't be paying homage to people who made a fortune out of it. Equally white people living now shouldn't feel guilty about it and shouldn't need either to say "well black people were involved in it too". If we stopped trying to claim pride for D Day when we weren't there, we might find it easier not to feel shame about slavery when we weren't there either.

Has Newres had an epiphany? Or has someone hacked his account? He is making sense. Does not compute. Does not compute.😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 11 2020, 03:40 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 11 2020, 02:31 PM) *
****, I sorry, but I actually agree with you. 100%. I must be coming down with something. 😷


Is agreeing with Mr Newres a symptom of Corona Virus infection? laugh.gif laugh.gif Seriously though he was on the money with his comments and we need sensible comment from both ends of the political spectrum when our heritage, good, bad and downright obnoxious,comes under threat.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 11 2020, 06:55 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2020, 04:37 PM) *
Has Newres had an epiphany? Or has someone hacked his account? He is making sense. Does not compute. Does not compute.😂

hes bin hacked, by,

Dave, I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 12 2020, 07:34 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 11 2020, 02:20 PM) *
The slavery thing's a bit of a red herring and side issue isn't it? I'm from Bristol and I think it's a shame that the Colston statue has distracted/hijacked the agenda. Slavery was obviously a bad thing and we shouldn't be paying homage to people who made a fortune out of it. Equally white people living now shouldn't feel guilty about it and shouldn't need either to say "well black people were involved in it too". If we stopped trying to claim pride for D Day when we weren't there, we might find it easier not to feel shame about slavery when we weren't there either.

Blimey newres, a sensible straight thinking comment that I actually fully agree with!
Just when I thought all was gloom and doom there is a glimmer of hope!! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 12 2020, 09:21 AM

There is a statue of Edward 1 (Longshanks) in Bugh by Sands were he is pointing his "weapon" aggressively towards the north which I demand be removed as my great great grandfather once dated a girl from Inverness and therefore I appreciate how insensitive this is to our near neighbours.
Of course we expect that nasty Robert the Bruce effigy in Stirling to be torn down immediately.

This is only the start of a list that at the moment stands at 185 figures that represent some form of oppression. In fact if we bulldoze the country flat and start again it may go some way in silencing the loony left who obviously have mental health issues on a scale unprecedented and deserving of spending all our surplus revenue on making them feel better.

Or I could just emigrate to somewhere sensible.........Mars??? cool.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 12 2020, 09:31 AM


https://youtu.be/s2MxEDXGC84

Nice to know someone else thinks like me.

Posted by: newres Jun 12 2020, 03:33 PM

Guys, guys.... laugh.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 12 2020, 09:33 PM

Aren't the Scots lovely people,
https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/if-they-dont-stop-kill-a-cop-outrage-at-posters-calling-for-police-mps-and-white-people-to-be-killed-found-in-dundee-park/

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 13 2020, 08:03 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 12 2020, 10:33 PM) *
Aren't the Scots lovely people,
https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/if-they-dont-stop-kill-a-cop-outrage-at-posters-calling-for-police-mps-and-white-people-to-be-killed-found-in-dundee-park/


Assuming they were Scots who posted it. This protest movement seems to be run by "outside" interest who are using the student demographic, who have nothing better to do, as media fodder.Remember how the old communist party used to orchestrate the violent protest in the '70s? Would not surprise me to learn somewhere down the line that Russia has a finger in this pie as an anarchic britain would suit their interest. I feel a concern for those genuine members of society who just happen to be black as they may suffer any backlash.
As has been said so many time a racist is a racist and all the legislation in the world will not change that but the vast majority, (in this country), see a human being not a particular colour and treat them as an equal. Only when that individual behaves in a way we find obnoxious do we become defensive to the point of retaliation.
It was hoped that the present incumbent in downing street would show leadership through these ongoing problems from brexit, coronavirus and now this racial madness but unfortunately he may try to be churchillian but it is nearer chamberlain. angry.gif

Posted by: Mr Brown Jun 13 2020, 01:54 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 13 2020, 09:03 AM) *
Assuming they were Scots who posted it. This protest movement seems to be run by "outside" interest who are using the student demographic, who have nothing better to do, as media fodder.Remember how the old communist party used to orchestrate the violent protest in the '70s? Would not surprise me to learn somewhere down the line that Russia has a finger in this pie as an anarchic britain would suit their interest. I feel a concern for those genuine members of society who just happen to be black as they may suffer any backlash.
As has been said so many time a racist is a racist and all the legislation in the world will not change that but the vast majority, (in this country), see a human being not a particular colour and treat them as an equal. Only when that individual behaves in a way we find obnoxious do we become defensive to the point of retaliation.
It was hoped that the present incumbent in downing street would show leadership through these ongoing problems from brexit, coronavirus and now this racial madness but unfortunately he may try to be churchillian but it is nearer chamberlain. angry.gif


Know exactly what you mean, but the reference to Chamberlain is truly ironic!

At the end of the day, he was a decent human, albeit somewhat cold. Without him, we wouldn't have been able to create the NHS. Date I say it, just like post 1944, the time for Churchill is past, we now need a Mrs Thatcher.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 13 2020, 03:12 PM

Thoroughly disgusting scenes in London today. Stop it!

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 13 2020, 04:04 PM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Jun 13 2020, 02:54 PM) *
Know exactly what you mean, but the reference to Chamberlain is truly ironic!

At the end of the day, he was a decent human, albeit somewhat cold. Without him, we wouldn't have been able to create the NHS. Date I say it, just like post 1944, the time for Churchill is past, we now need a Mrs Thatcher.


Funny you should say that as I said to my wall only yesterday "come back thatcher all is forgiven" and coming from me that was quite a statement.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 13 2020, 04:07 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 13 2020, 04:12 PM) *
Thoroughly disgusting scenes in London today. Stop it!


It was always going to happen and just shows that a thug is a thug whatever the colour of skin or political status. Why don't they use water cannons? And give the streets back to the public.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 13 2020, 04:47 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 13 2020, 05:07 PM) *
It was always going to happen and just shows that a thug is a thug whatever the colour of skin or political status. Why don't they use water cannons? And give the streets back to the public.

The issue is racism and today, not something our ancestors did 300 years ago. Once the narrative was lost and Churchill and the Cenotaph were graffiti ridden only one outcome was possible.

Attack the present. OK. Not something our forefathers that we likely have no relation to did hundreds of years ago.

The BLM movement dropped the ball. And a huge majority of the slient, quiet, voting, public (those that deliver Brexit and Conservative governments) were not happy. It's not racist to be proud of your Country. We have got things wrong. All countries have.

Posted by: James_Trinder Jun 13 2020, 04:52 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 13 2020, 04:12 PM) *
Thoroughly disgusting scenes in London today. Stop it!


In contrast the conduct of the BLM protesters in Newbury today appears to have been much better:

https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/30938/black-lives-matter-protesters-take-the-knee-in-victoria-park-in-second-peaceful-demonstration.html

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 13 2020, 05:40 PM

QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Jun 13 2020, 05:52 PM) *
In contrast the conduct of the BLM protesters in Newbury today appears to have been much better:

https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/news/30938/black-lives-matter-protesters-take-the-knee-in-victoria-park-in-second-peaceful-demonstration.html


Seems to have been conducted in a civilised manner which no one can have any problem with but I still at a loss as to whether they are protesting about the treatment of people in America or here? We have strict laws in this country to protect the populace from racial/sexual/gender etc discrimination and anyone who is subjected to it has the given right to protection. I can not speak for other countries but, apart from a few mindless yobs ,we have a completely tolerant society of which we are justifiably proud yet we are being screamed at by a vociferous faction that is under the impression that we are anything but inclusive. Are these people completely ignorant or are we all missing the elephantidae in the room?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 13 2020, 05:46 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 13 2020, 06:40 PM) *
Seems to have been conducted in a civilised manner which no one can have any problem with but I still at a loss as to whether they are protesting about the treatment of people in America or here? We have strict laws in this country to protect the populace from racial/sexual/gender etc discrimination and anyone who is subjected to it has the given right to protection. I can not speak for other countries but, apart from a few mindless yobs ,we have a completely tolerant society of which we are justifiably proud yet we are being screamed at by a vociferous faction that is under the impression that we are anything but inclusive. Are these people completely ignorant or are we all missing the elephantidae in the room?

My best mate at work is black. He worked his socks off and is a very well respected member of the team. I have already suggested to the board that he should be promoted above me, as he is better than me. But...I guess I'm a racist for not being "left".

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 13 2020, 08:19 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 13 2020, 06:46 PM) *
My best mate at work is black. He worked his socks off and is a very well respected member of the team. I have already suggested to the board that he should be promoted above me, as he is better than me. But...I guess I'm a racist for not being "left".


Which just shows that colour is what it is, just a colour. We all know or work with someone who is way out in front in their field and they are there on their inherent ability not because they have a white/black/sky blue pink skin. But of course we are preaching to the converted as usual.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 14 2020, 08:57 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 13 2020, 06:40 PM) *
Seems to have been conducted in a civilised manner which no one can have any problem with but I still at a loss as to whether they are protesting about the treatment of people in America or here? We have strict laws in this country to protect the populace from racial/sexual/gender etc discrimination and anyone who is subjected to it has the given right to protection. I can not speak for other countries but, apart from a few mindless yobs ,we have a completely tolerant society of which we are justifiably proud yet we are being screamed at by a vociferous faction that is under the impression that we are anything but inclusive. Are these people completely ignorant or are we all missing the elephantidae in the room?

Like else where, many have learned to hide their racism; however, racism is not solely a white diseased.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 14 2020, 10:03 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 14 2020, 09:57 AM) *
Like else where, many have learned to hide their racism; however, racism is not solely a white diseased.


Personally I would prefer that a racist stood forward so his views can be challenged in a educated fashion, which may result a little more enlightened individual, than to let their bigotry fester behind closed doors. On the flip side of the present coin we have openly witnessed hostility from black activists towards white citizens yet, to the best of my knowledge, no prosecutions have resulted.
If we are to have equality then both sides need to step back or we really will have social breakdown.

Posted by: Phil_D11102 Jun 14 2020, 10:53 AM

I am an American living in the UK for over 30 years now..

I am saddened, shocked and disturbed by the matter of George Floyd. No one should have to die like he did. The police should be held accountable for what happened.

I have been unfriend by several people black and white in the past few days because of my opinion.

This is from the Washington Post as they have been tracking the numbers of people dying from the police for the past few years.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../police-shootings.../

1033 were shot and killed by the police.
601 of all races had a firearm
173 of all races had a knife
65 of all races used a vehicle
29 of all races used a toy gun
65 of all races used another object
55 of all races were unarmed
20 of all races were deem "unknown"
14 of those unarmed were Black
25 were White,11 Hispanic, 5 were other.

One thing that is not kept in the database is the race of the police officer doing the shooting.

490 people where shot and killed in Chicago in 2019, that is down from 564 in 2018, and 756 in 2016. Shootings were down to 2,139 -- lower than 2018's count of 2,367.
Still, city leaders have expressed hope that efforts undertaken since 2016 -- hiring more police officers, emphasizing community policing and making investments in social services and schools -- are helping to lessen violent crime.

What has to happen,as it is happening in Chicago, is COMMUNITY POLICING, and making the investment in social services and schools. That is for the Democratic mayor and governor to figure out. Defunding won't solve the problem.

Again, Memorial Day 2020 weekend, 85 shot, 24 dead.

I the BLM matter group should be protesting black on black crime, gang violence, the 600K plus a year black babies being aborted. Also protest the millions of Mom's, of all colors, who are raising their kids alone with out help, emotionally or financially.

These factors are also hurting the black community. Don't cherry pick the issues, address them all.

One person unfriended me because I post a newspaper front page about that Met officer attacked while making an arrest. The person said that black men died in police custody in that area, and my response was while that matters, why isn't BLM protesting about the arrest, and how several black me tried to stop it. One even danced and took a selfie, then tried to kick a WPC who went to help. Where is the BLM comments/protest about that, and the WPC was black.

Two of my children have BAME Godfathers, and they were asked to do it not for their sign, but for their character and kind hearts.

We are missing this, as well as people accepting others opinions, and responsibility.

BLM's matter, and I won't say all lives matter, as the black community has suffered. I think a lot of that suffering/racism has to be taken by that community, as responsibility and learning starts at home.

Now I am sure some folks will see my opinion as racist, but it is the truth..

Lastly, I voted libertarian in the last election for POTUS, as I can't stomach either party at the moment.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 14 2020, 11:15 AM

QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Jun 14 2020, 11:53 AM) *
I am an American living in the UK for over 30 years now..

I am saddened, shocked and disturbed by the matter of George Floyd. No one should have to die like he did. The police should be held accountable for what happened.

I have been unfriend by several people black and white in the past few days because of my opinion.

This is from the Washington Post as they have been tracking the numbers of people dying from the police for the past few years.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../police-shootings.../

1033 were shot and killed by the police.
601 of all races had a firearm
173 of all races had a knife
65 of all races used a vehicle
29 of all races used a toy gun
65 of all races used another object
55 of all races were unarmed
20 of all races were deem "unknown"
14 of those unarmed were Black
25 were White,11 Hispanic, 5 were other.

One thing that is not kept in the database is the race of the police officer doing the shooting.

490 people where shot and killed in Chicago in 2019, that is down from 564 in 2018, and 756 in 2016. Shootings were down to 2,139 -- lower than 2018's count of 2,367.
Still, city leaders have expressed hope that efforts undertaken since 2016 -- hiring more police officers, emphasizing community policing and making investments in social services and schools -- are helping to lessen violent crime.

What has to happen,as it is happening in Chicago, is COMMUNITY POLICING, and making the investment in social services and schools. That is for the Democratic mayor and governor to figure out. Defunding won't solve the problem.

Again, Memorial Day 2020 weekend, 85 shot, 24 dead.

I the BLM matter group should be protesting black on black crime, gang violence, the 600K plus a year black babies being aborted. Also protest the millions of Mom's, of all colors, who are raising their kids alone with out help, emotionally or financially.

These factors are also hurting the black community. Don't cherry pick the issues, address them all.

One person unfriended me because I post a newspaper front page about that Met officer attacked while making an arrest. The person said that black men died in police custody in that area, and my response was while that matters, why isn't BLM protesting about the arrest, and how several black me tried to stop it. One even danced and took a selfie, then tried to kick a WPC who went to help. Where is the BLM comments/protest about that, and the WPC was black.

Two of my children have BAME Godfathers, and they were asked to do it not for their sign, but for their character and kind hearts.

We are missing this, as well as people accepting others opinions, and responsibility.

BLM's matter, and I won't say all lives matter, as the black community has suffered. I think a lot of that suffering/racism has to be taken by that community, as responsibility and learning starts at home.

Now I am sure some folks will see my opinion as racist, but it is the truth..

Lastly, I voted libertarian in the last election for POTUS, as I can't stomach either party at the moment.


You just gave a balanced educated view. So in lefty world that means you are a racist.

Anyone seen the CHAZ "experiment" in Seattle, where the lunatics have taken over the asylum? Now that is something to behold..

https://mobile.twitter.com/FromKalen/status/1271709379688087555


Posted by: Phil_D11102 Jun 14 2020, 11:43 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 14 2020, 12:15 PM) *
You just gave a balanced educated view. So in lefty world that means you are a racist.

Anyone seen the CHAZ "experiment" in Seattle, where the lunatics have taken over the asylum? Now that is something to behold..

https://mobile.twitter.com/FromKalen/status/1271709379688087555


Problem is 'cognitive dissonance.' People cannot change their narrative/opinion even when faced with facts.

If you talk about the 250 to 500K black on white crime, your a racists. The black on black death rate is higher in the US and UK vs being killed by a cop or dying in police custody.

As I said, I am made to feel like a racist because as it was said a balanced opinion is give.

If the police did two simple things, things would change.

1 - any officer who gets 3 or more complaints in 5 years or less has to face an independent review.
2 - every officer gets a psych test every year.

What happened in Atlanta yesterday is stupid. Cop field sobriety tests a black man sleeping in his car in a to go section of a Wendy's. When they try to arrest him, he fights, grabs the cops taser and runs. The other cop fires his taser 3 times to no help. The other cop shoots and kills the man after he points the taser at him.

The shooter is fired, the other cop placed on administrative leave, the police chief resigns, and more riots with the Wendy's being burned out.

At what point is person responsibility, culpability and compliance come into play. The guy wasn't unarmed, he took the taser forcefully from the cop. Chances are, and this won't come out, but he was probably wanted for something, which is why he ran.

George Floyd's autopsy showed he was stoned, too stoned to drive. He also was just getting over Covid, as well as having a heart problem. He was killed by the cop force air and blood going around his body. He is at fault.

The world is a screwed up place. Racism will NEVER be stopped, as man is sinful and wicked. The thing is you won't see that evil until is does something evil. Racists don't wear signs around their neck.


Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 14 2020, 12:24 PM

QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Jun 14 2020, 12:43 PM) *
Problem is 'cognitive dissonance.' People cannot change their narrative/opinion even when faced with facts.

If you talk about the 250 to 500K black on white crime, your a racists. The black on black death rate is higher in the US and UK vs being killed by a cop or dying in police custody.

As I said, I am made to feel like a racist because as it was said a balanced opinion is give.

If the police did two simple things, things would change.

1 - any officer who gets 3 or more complaints in 5 years or less has to face an independent review.
2 - every officer gets a psych test every year.

What happened in Atlanta yesterday is stupid. Cop field sobriety tests a black man sleeping in his car in a to go section of a Wendy's. When they try to arrest him, he fights, grabs the cops taser and runs. The other cop fires his taser 3 times to no help. The other cop shoots and kills the man after he points the taser at him.

The shooter is fired, the other cop placed on administrative leave, the police chief resigns, and more riots with the Wendy's being burned out.

As an American, albeit a little estranged, I feel your opinion on the matter holds more sway than say mine who is viewing from afar, so perhaps you could enlighten me, (us), as to the feeling of of the wider population with regards to racial prejudice? Is is systemic as the media would have us believe or, like here, it is confined to an ignorant few both black and white and exploited by the political manipulators? Lot of flack thrown in Trumps direction but as far as I can see the country is no different to when Obama was in charge, apart from the fact that I do not recall rioting after each killing whether at the hands of police or from the victims contemporaries.

Maybe, like the corona pandemic, it is a relatively minor issue with excellent PR coverage that has instilled fear rather than levelled concern.

At what point is person responsibility, culpability and compliance come into play. The guy wasn't unarmed, he took the taser forcefully from the cop. Chances are, and this won't come out, but he was probably wanted for something, which is why he ran.

George Floyd's autopsy showed he was stoned, too stoned to drive. He also was just getting over Covid, as well as having a heart problem. He was killed by the cop force air and blood going around his body. He is at fault.

The world is a screwed up place. Racism will NEVER be stopped, as man is sinful and wicked. The thing is you won't see that evil until is does something evil. Racists don't wear signs around their neck.


Posted by: spartacus Jun 14 2020, 10:39 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 14 2020, 12:15 PM) *
Anyone seen the CHAZ "experiment" in Seattle, where the lunatics have taken over the asylum? Now that is something to behold..
....an unholy mess they are making of a fine city...
But there has been a comedy moment. Fox News are probably regretting not checking their news facts before airing... They reported last night on supposed in-fighting within the CHAZ police free zone and used a Reddit post to backup the claim..

"There's infighting among some of the occupiers, and some signs of rebellion against Raz Simone" — (leader of the CHAZ group) intoned the Fox News anchor. "One posting on social media that has now been deleted, read this: 'I didn't vote for Raz. I thought we were an autonomous collective? An anarcho-syndicalist commune at the least.... We take it in turns to act as sort of executive officer for the week...but all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs but by a two thirds majority in the case of more major issues."

....problem is the Reddit poster was a bit of a comedian and was using a quote direct from Monty Python's Holy Grail...

https://deadline.com/2020/06/fox-news-monty-python-line-chaz-report-reddit-1202958753/

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 15 2020, 07:55 PM

Good to see all the woke folk queuing outside primark today to buy stuff as cheap as chips made by the slaves of today in far away lands...

Ending modern day slavery is far more important than arguing over some historic figure from 300 years ago. But hey..that's just my thoughts..

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 16 2020, 09:54 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 15 2020, 08:55 PM) *
Good to see all the woke folk queuing outside primark today to buy stuff as cheap as chips made by the slaves of today in far away lands...

Ending modern day slavery is far more important than arguing over some historic figure from 300 years ago. But hey..that's just my thoughts..


You don't hear that from the baying hordes, probably because they refuse to recognise the real issue when it stares them in the face.
Rather ironic that a news report the other day on the issue was followed by a charity appeal for money to "prevent" FGM, a practice condoned by family members in great swathes of africa and the middle east, but of course that is black doing it to black and in the eyes of the ignorant that is quite acceptable whereas a white policeman trying to arrest a suspect, who was drugged out of his mind and attempting to drive a car which may have killed far more, is considered the anti-christ incarnate when it goes tragically wrong.
How many murders have been committed since the incident? That information is conspicuous by it's absence but with a previous daily death toll of around 40 I am sure we would have heard if this had dropped to zero.

But like you say we are just a couple of rabid right wing neo-nazi thugs who should be lynched for even thinking such things.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 16 2020, 04:58 PM


I won’t kneel with the masses, I won’t be told my fate,

By people who hijack tragedy, To perpetuate their hate.

Don’t you shout Black Lives Matter, Whilst running through the streets,

When your people are burning Foot Locker, Stealing Nikes for their feet.

Don’t dance on The Cenotaph, Like it’s Carnival or Mardi Gras,

That sacred granite edifice, Marks people who died in war.

How dare you besiege Number 10, This isn’t even our fight,

If you want to go and protest, Get a 4,000 mile flight.

Social distancing flouted, Police punched in the face,

Missiles hurled at Downing Street., This isn’t about race.

It’s rent-a-mob and anarchists, Versus police led by lambs,

They just stand there and take it, Lefty Cressida tied their hands.

Meanwhile America’s burning, It’s a tragedy we all agree,

That George Floyd lost his life, For all the world to see.

Justice must take its course, The cop has lost his job,

Now he faces twelve good and true, Not a braying mob.

So Monday I won’t be kneeling, I won’t even bow my head,

Because someone I don’t even know, Has wound up dead.

An armed robber and a felon, In and out of jail,

As a model citizen, He was a total fail.

I’ll weep for whom I choose to, I’ll say where and when,

Not because a lifelong offender, Bought it in the end.

I don’t condone the officers, They rightly face the wrath,

But ask me to kneel for a criminal? Don’t make me laugh.

You can keep your lefty rhetoric, Your dismantling of our state,

It’s BLM not Middle England, That’s peddling the hate.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 16 2020, 06:18 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2020, 05:58 PM) *
I won’t kneel with the masses, I won’t be told my fate,

By people who hijack tragedy, To perpetuate their hate.

Don’t you shout Black Lives Matter, Whilst running through the streets,

When your people are burning Foot Locker, Stealing Nikes for their feet.

Don’t dance on The Cenotaph, Like it’s Carnival or Mardi Gras,

That sacred granite edifice, Marks people who died in war.

How dare you besiege Number 10, This isn’t even our fight,

If you want to go and protest, Get a 4,000 mile flight.

Social distancing flouted, Police punched in the face,

Missiles hurled at Downing Street., This isn’t about race.

It’s rent-a-mob and anarchists, Versus police led by lambs,

They just stand there and take it, Lefty Cressida tied their hands.

Meanwhile America’s burning, It’s a tragedy we all agree,

That George Floyd lost his life, For all the world to see.

Justice must take its course, The cop has lost his job,

Now he faces twelve good and true, Not a braying mob.

So Monday I won’t be kneeling, I won’t even bow my head,

Because someone I don’t even know, Has wound up dead.

An armed robber and a felon, In and out of jail,

As a model citizen, He was a total fail.

I’ll weep for whom I choose to, I’ll say where and when,

Not because a lifelong offender, Bought it in the end.

I don’t condone the officers, They rightly face the wrath,

But ask me to kneel for a criminal? Don’t make me laugh.

You can keep your lefty rhetoric, Your dismantling of our state,

It’s BLM not Middle England, That’s peddling the hate.



Well penned sir. Nothing more to add.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 16 2020, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 16 2020, 07:18 PM) *
Well penned sir. Nothing more to add.

So.... China and India are going at it with estimates of a hundred dead, and now China, which had no infections for weeks suddenly has an isolated outbreak in Beijing. They lock down Beijing, stop all internal flights, but allow all international flights to continue. It's almost like the first version of the virus was not quite virulent enough, so they thought a 2nd go would be needed...

But hey, I dont want to start a conspiracy theory...🤣

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 17 2020, 07:10 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2020, 05:58 PM) *
I won’t kneel with the masses, I won’t be told my fate,

By people who hijack tragedy, To perpetuate their hate.

Don’t you shout Black Lives Matter, Whilst running through the streets,

When your people are burning Foot Locker, Stealing Nikes for their feet.

Don’t dance on The Cenotaph, Like it’s Carnival or Mardi Gras,

That sacred granite edifice, Marks people who died in war.

How dare you besiege Number 10, This isn’t even our fight,

If you want to go and protest, Get a 4,000 mile flight.

Social distancing flouted, Police punched in the face,

Missiles hurled at Downing Street., This isn’t about race.

It’s rent-a-mob and anarchists, Versus police led by lambs,

They just stand there and take it, Lefty Cressida tied their hands.

Meanwhile America’s burning, It’s a tragedy we all agree,

That George Floyd lost his life, For all the world to see.

Justice must take its course, The cop has lost his job,

Now he faces twelve good and true, Not a braying mob.

So Monday I won’t be kneeling, I won’t even bow my head,

Because someone I don’t even know, Has wound up dead.

An armed robber and a felon, In and out of jail,

As a model citizen, He was a total fail.

I’ll weep for whom I choose to, I’ll say where and when,

Not because a lifelong offender, Bought it in the end.

I don’t condone the officers, They rightly face the wrath,

But ask me to kneel for a criminal? Don’t make me laugh.

You can keep your lefty rhetoric, Your dismantling of our state,

It’s BLM not Middle England, That’s peddling the hate.

You are part of the mainstream like most of us who can absorb and analyse things for yourself. Think yourself lucky!!

In the famous words of Monty Python................"You are all individuals, you can all think for yourselves, you don't have to follow anybody"!! tongue.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 17 2020, 08:52 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 16 2020, 09:25 PM) *
So.... China and India are going at it with estimates of a hundred dead, and now China, which had no infections for weeks suddenly has an isolated outbreak in Beijing. They lock down Beijing, stop all internal flights, but allow all international flights to continue. It's almost like the first version of the virus was not quite virulent enough, so they thought a 2nd go would be needed...

But hey, I dont want to start a conspiracy theory...🤣


Perish the thought.........Just don't dispose of that stockpile of PPE you have acquired quite yet. Never mind bumbling Boris will save us once more.......Or there again? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: MontyPython Jun 17 2020, 10:05 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 17 2020, 08:10 AM) *
You are part of the mainstream like most of us who can absorb and analyse things for yourself. Think yourself lucky!!

In the famous words of Monty Python................"You are all individuals, you can all think for yourselves, you don't have to follow anybody"!! tongue.gif



Thanks for the quote - fame at last! biggrin.gif

Posted by: newres Jun 17 2020, 10:56 AM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2020, 05:58 PM) *
I won’t kneel with the masses, I won’t be told my fate,

By people who hijack tragedy, To perpetuate their hate.

Don’t you shout Black Lives Matter, Whilst running through the streets,

When your people are burning Foot Locker, Stealing Nikes for their feet.

Don’t dance on The Cenotaph, Like it’s Carnival or Mardi Gras,

That sacred granite edifice, Marks people who died in war.

How dare you besiege Number 10, This isn’t even our fight,

If you want to go and protest, Get a 4,000 mile flight.

Social distancing flouted, Police punched in the face,

Missiles hurled at Downing Street., This isn’t about race.

It’s rent-a-mob and anarchists, Versus police led by lambs,

They just stand there and take it, Lefty Cressida tied their hands.

Meanwhile America’s burning, It’s a tragedy we all agree,

That George Floyd lost his life, For all the world to see.

Justice must take its course, The cop has lost his job,

Now he faces twelve good and true, Not a braying mob.

So Monday I won’t be kneeling, I won’t even bow my head,

Because someone I don’t even know, Has wound up dead.

An armed robber and a felon, In and out of jail,

As a model citizen, He was a total fail.

I’ll weep for whom I choose to, I’ll say where and when,

Not because a lifelong offender, Bought it in the end.

I don’t condone the officers, They rightly face the wrath,

But ask me to kneel for a criminal? Don’t make me laugh.

You can keep your lefty rhetoric, Your dismantling of our state,

It’s BLM not Middle England, That’s peddling the hate.


Little Johnny 5 1/2

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2020, 11:52 AM

BBC News - Black Lives Matter: Students 'need support' over George Floyd death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-53024298


laugh.gif laugh.gif dry.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 17 2020, 12:25 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2020, 12:52 PM) *
BBC News - Black Lives Matter: Students 'need support' over George Floyd death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-53024298


laugh.gif laugh.gif dry.gif laugh.gif


You couldn't make it up no matter how hard one tried. Those who thought we had elected a government who would give us back the ability to stand on our own two feet had better start packing because income tax is going to be 98p in the pound next year. The rest of us will just sit in a collective huddle with our hands outstretched citing our mental health is preventing us from working.

Posted by: Phil_D11102 Jun 17 2020, 01:54 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 17 2020, 01:25 PM) *
You couldn't make it up no matter how hard one tried. Those who thought we had elected a government who would give us back the ability to stand on our own two feet had better start packing because income tax is going to be 98p in the pound next year. The rest of us will just sit in a collective huddle with our hands outstretched citing our mental health is preventing us from working.



I have an Italian background. Can I say I need help for all the statues of Columbus being taken down?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 17 2020, 02:48 PM

I'm honestly tempted to ask them why they're treating a skin colour as a disability, when in reality we should be working to empower all ethnicities to be their best rather than patronise them for **** that they were victims of in centuries gone past. I wish the world would just go "ok done, we all learned from our past, let's put it behind us and move on with the lessons we've learned" but instead we need to drag this out as much as possible, every white knight must be acknowledged, every virtue signalling **** must be acknowledged, every person must have their little "I did my part" moment whilst achieving absolutely **** all at the same time. This is nothing but self serving bull**** yet again, if you really want to make a difference, then do something which actually matters, like donate to a cause which helps black people in poor, crime ridden neighbourhoods get an education and find prosperity in life.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 17 2020, 03:25 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 17 2020, 03:48 PM) *
I'm honestly tempted to ask them why they're treating a skin colour as a disability, when in reality we should be working to empower all ethnicities to be their best rather than patronise them for **** that they were victims of in centuries gone past. I wish the world would just go "ok done, we all learned from our past, let's put it behind us and move on with the lessons we've learned" but instead we need to drag this out as much as possible, every white knight must be acknowledged, every virtue signalling **** must be acknowledged, every person must have their little "I did my part" moment whilst achieving absolutely **** all at the same time. This is nothing but self serving bull**** yet again, if you really want to make a difference, then do something which actually matters, like donate to a cause which helps black people in poor, crime ridden neighbourhoods get an education and find prosperity in life.

It's no joke Je Suis. I am unable to return to work as I am so fragile from all the covid news and BLM protests. You need to pay for me for the rest of my life... thanks👍

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 18 2020, 08:45 AM

QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Jun 17 2020, 02:54 PM) *
I have an Italian background. Can I say I need help for all the statues of Columbus being taken down?


Oh you poor unfortunate person you. Of course you can remove everything associated with that dreadful man so an open cheque is in the post. Just fill in the appropriate amount.

ps Can I have recompense for 400 years of roman dominance 2000 years ago?

Posted by: newres Jun 18 2020, 09:58 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yrg7vV4a5o

It isn't about slavery. That's a side issue.

Posted by: Phil_D11102 Jun 18 2020, 10:44 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 18 2020, 10:58 AM) *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yrg7vV4a5o

It isn't about slavery. That's a side issue.


I don't think this is about much more that anger and wanting some sort of payback..

The U.S. had a Black POTUS for 8 years. Doesn't sound much like racism to me. You see black conservatives saying get away from the democratic party for it's them enacting the policies that hurt black folks. You see clips of black cops doing stuff, black folks doing stuff to white people, Asian, etc.. You see black folks doing violence to other black folks, and that is probably the highest statistic of when a black male will die.

There are cops who should not be on the street, but you can't label every cop bad the same as you can't say every protester is a rioter.

QUOTE
ps Can I have recompense for 400 years of roman dominance 2000 years ago?


Only if my ancestors snakes can get compensation for one bad snake in the garden of Eden.



Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 18 2020, 10:48 AM

QUOTE (newres @ Jun 18 2020, 10:58 AM) *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yrg7vV4a5o

It isn't about slavery. That's a side issue.


Please enlighten us??? I thought it was ALL about slavery as I do not see colour being an issue in this country with regards to opportunity, equality etc. The fact that it started in the USA has nothing to do with us.
No one has stood up and stated what exactly the ethnic community want? Simple enough question. If I was a black person living in the UK I would be fearful to where this is going to end, as a cause célèbre without a specific goal runs a very real risk of escalation into something a lot darker, (no pun), before it ends.

See they are going to pull poor old Cecil down.........Glad it's not my alma mater. angry.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 18 2020, 01:52 PM

Mirror Online: Uncle Ben's rice to 'evolve' appearance to combat 'racial bias and injustices'.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/uncle-bens-rice-ditch-name-22212057


And how long will it take do you think before the loons start screaming there's only white people on packages now. It's racist.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 18 2020, 02:00 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 18 2020, 02:52 PM) *
Mirror Online: Uncle Ben's rice to 'evolve' appearance to combat 'racial bias and injustices'.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/uncle-bens-rice-ditch-name-22212057


And how long will it take do you think before the loons start screaming there's only white people on packages now. It's racist.


Dont even start on coco pops...🤣

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 18 2020, 03:35 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 18 2020, 03:00 PM) *
Dont even start on coco pops...🤣


As a matter of interest is Robertson's jam still in production? Never thought it much of a product anyway but just wondered.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 18 2020, 03:40 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 18 2020, 02:52 PM) *
Mirror Online: Uncle Ben's rice to 'evolve' appearance to combat 'racial bias and injustices'.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/uncle-bens-rice-ditch-name-22212057


And how long will it take do you think before the loons start screaming there's only white people on packages now. It's racist.


They complain it has a white face, if it has a black face and little doubt if it was shade of puce. Has it occurred to anyone that they may just be taking the p**s

Posted by: Phil_D11102 Jun 18 2020, 03:43 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 18 2020, 11:48 AM) *
Please enlighten us??? I thought it was ALL about slavery as I do not see colour being an issue in this country with regards to opportunity, equality etc. The fact that it started in the USA has nothing to do with us.
No one has stood up and stated what exactly the ethnic community want? Simple enough question. If I was a black person living in the UK I would be fearful to where this is going to end, as a cause célèbre without a specific goal runs a very real risk of escalation into something a lot darker, (no pun), before it ends.

See they are going to pull poor old Cecil down.........Glad it's not my alma mater. angry.gif


The issue is that black men, unarmed black men are being killed in the U.S. by police officers. That is a fact. However, there is another fact that the number of unarmed black me being killed by police is lower than unarmed white men or hispanic men killed by police. The number may be lower because there are less blacks in America than whites and hispanics.

Another fact is if your a black man, than the risk of dying in violent act by another black man is greater than dying at the hands of the police.

There are issues in the black community, but I feel the BLM movement should focus on all of them, not just this issue with the police.

No one should die in the streets, be it at the hands of the police, a shooting by rival gangs, a drunken brawl, or being stabbed with a knife.

My ancestors faced pogroms in Russia which had them escape to America. Some stopped in Poland, and they didn't survive the Nazi's.

Slavery, be it white on black, black on black, black on white, has gone on for centuries. It wasn't right then, it isn't right now, but it has been outlawed in the U.S. since 1865. Men died over it, white men. That is a fact.

In Britain and America there are opportunities out there. Yes, you will run into jerks, but it shouldn't stop you if you really want it to happen. No one will hand you anything, if your white or black, unless your in that small percentage of the elite The vast majority of us have to work.

Try to focus on the positive. There was a two term black POTUS. Maybe there will be a black PM. We already had loads of clowns. But seriously, stop looking at the past, as that was then. You will never wipe out racism, because mankind is evil, and people don't wear signs..


Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 18 2020, 04:05 PM

QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Jun 18 2020, 04:43 PM) *
The issue is that black men, unarmed black men are being killed in the U.S. by police officers. That is a fact. However, there is another fact that the number of unarmed black me being killed by police is lower than unarmed white men or hispanic men killed by police. The number may be lower because there are less blacks in America than whites and hispanics.

Another fact is if your a black man, than the risk of dying in violent act by another black man is greater than dying at the hands of the police.

There are issues in the black community, but I feel the BLM movement should focus on all of them, not just this issue with the police.

No one should die in the streets, be it at the hands of the police, a shooting by rival gangs, a drunken brawl, or being stabbed with a knife.

My ancestors faced pogroms in Russia which had them escape to America. Some stopped in Poland, and they didn't survive the Nazi's.

Slavery, be it white on black, black on black, black on white, has gone on for centuries. It wasn't right then, it isn't right now, but it has been outlawed in the U.S. since 1865. Men died over it, white men. That is a fact.

In Britain and America there are opportunities out there. Yes, you will run into jerks, but it shouldn't stop you if you really want it to happen. No one will hand you anything, if your white or black, unless your in that small percentage of the elite The vast majority of us have to work.

Try to focus on the positive. There was a two term black POTUS. Maybe there will be a black PM. We already had loads of clowns. But seriously, stop looking at the past, as that was then. You will never wipe out racism, because mankind is evil, and people don't wear signs..


Well said. But you would say that as I guess you have white privilege. Off to the re-education camp with you!

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 18 2020, 06:46 PM

And here's a kick in the tits for the Guardianista,
That's not what they said in 1862! Guardian hypocrisy over BLM https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ticle-masthead

Posted by: spartacus Jun 18 2020, 11:22 PM

Harping back 200 years or more to highlight crappy things that happened to black folk, because some black folk rounded up other black folk and sold them to white folk and now we're meant to repent for things we had no part of. 200 years ago life was ****** for lots of people. Back then anyone who was anyone during the times of slavery would've owned slaves. ..but any textile mill owner during the times of slavery would have also had expendable child slaves (...white, poor and orphaned child slaves...) to be worked on the looms and spinning jennys and gotten rid of if injured... and any chimney sweep would have 'climbing boys' as young as 4 that would be shoved up with a pole to scrape soot till they got to the roof. There were plenty of **** jobs going round in those days... it wasn't all roses being white and poor back then. It's not just black people that can choose to have a grievance with the past and past masters....

Posted by: spartacus Jun 18 2020, 11:35 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 18 2020, 11:48 AM) *
See they are going to pull poor old Cecil down.........Glad it's not my alma mater. angry.gif
They're want to pull every statue down... strange that only a year or so back we looked on in dismay at the way that ISIS were wilfully destroying ancient history. "Heathens!! ...Maniacs! Pathetic! You can't scrub out history with a sledgehammer!" ISIS claimed they were symbols of idolatry and they were obeying their Prophet's command.

And yet, look where we are now.... It begs the question as to who the ‘Prophet’ is pulling the strings of the BLM movement and where will this end up


poor old Kitchener one of many targets to be pulled down. Kitchener... a chap who had the "failing acquired by most of the Egyptian officers, a taste for buggery". ....Oh gosh, that's a bit awkward for the Woke Collective then...

So.....BLM supporters try to push him into the sea, while LGBTQ supporters form a peaceful cordon to protect 'a heroic but repressed gay icon ahead of his time'

Tricky times indeed.....


Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 19 2020, 10:38 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53096766

So this is Mandela's legacy. Don't see a rush by the BLM to chuck his statues in the local pond. Maybe one of them would like to say something about it? But of course it's nice black folk doing it to other black folk and that is perfectly acceptable in the eyes of the loons.

Posted by: Andy1 Jun 21 2020, 10:02 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 19 2020, 11:38 AM) *
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53096766

So this is Mandela's legacy. Don't see a rush by the BLM to chuck his statues in the local pond. Maybe one of them would like to say something about it? But of course it's nice black folk doing it to other black folk and that is perfectly acceptable in the eyes of the loons.


Would that be statues torn down by black or white people?

Also why pick a news report about violence on women in Africa, is it like the only continent on the planet where violence on women happens?

This is about years of racism in our country, not the state of Africa.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 22 2020, 06:31 AM

Three weeks on and the news cycle moves on as well. Time for all the frustrated, remainer agitators to look for something else to be outraged about. 😆

Posted by: Phil_D11102 Jun 22 2020, 09:35 AM


QUOTE
Well said. But you would say that as I guess you have white privilege. Off to the re-education camp with you!


I grew up far from being rich. My parents struggled to put food on the table and clothes on our backs. Finally, with some help from family member, my parents bought a house. It was hard to keep up the payments. My Dad told me that if I wanted to hang out with my friends, go on dates, I would have to get a job on the weekends and after school. I delivered newspapers, worked in a pizzeria, was a foot courier in Manhattan, and lastly worked in a rich man's athletic club. I started off shining shoes there, because it paid a buck an hour more than minimum wage. My Dad took rent, 10 or 20 dollars depending on what I took home.

When I went to apply for college, NYC was coming out of bankruptcy. I was told I couldn't get a loan, grants, not even a travel pass as the college was 1.5 hours public transportation each way. Why, my parents were white, and the owned a house. Well, they had a mortgage and still two kids at home.

In the end I joined the Air Force, and I did pretty good out of it. I am still working in IT after 40 years from my initial training. I don't hold nothing against those who took advantage of their situations, they did what they had to do.

At the end of the day anything is possible in a democracy, as long as your willing to work at what you want to do.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 22 2020, 11:19 AM

QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Jun 22 2020, 10:35 AM) *
I grew up far from being rich. My parents struggled to put food on the table and clothes on our backs. Finally, with some help from family member, my parents bought a house. It was hard to keep up the payments. My Dad told me that if I wanted to hang out with my friends, go on dates, I would have to get a job on the weekends and after school. I delivered newspapers, worked in a pizzeria, was a foot courier in Manhattan, and lastly worked in a rich man's athletic club. I started off shining shoes there, because it paid a buck an hour more than minimum wage. My Dad took rent, 10 or 20 dollars depending on what I took home.

When I went to apply for college, NYC was coming out of bankruptcy. I was told I couldn't get a loan, grants, not even a travel pass as the college was 1.5 hours public transportation each way. Why, my parents were white, and the owned a house. Well, they had a mortgage and still two kids at home.

In the end I joined the Air Force, and I did pretty good out of it. I am still working in IT after 40 years from my initial training. I don't hold nothing against those who took advantage of their situations, they did what they had to do.

At the end of the day anything is possible in a democracy, as long as your willing to work at what you want to do.


An object lesson to all, Sir. The problem, (in the UK), is that we have had over 20 years of "nanny state" politics which at best has reassured the inhabitants that whatever life throws at them there is a steel floor which will not allow them to fall, but the flip side is that the intrinsically idle are in the same system and have exploited it without a second thought to the detriment of all. Do we wish to return to a pre-war type system where the few rich lorded it over the many poor? Of course not but it did mean everyone had to take some form of employment in order to survive and those who had the aptitude were rewarded for their endeavours.
Of course this has bugger all to do with the BLM farce but it needs to be recognised in the context of slavery per se having little to do with colour but a lot with exploitation. We have strict employment laws that protect not only employees but also prospective ones which means when a candidate presents himself for consideration it will not be a skin colour that sits across the table but someone who could potentially benefit the business. This simply means that the best (wo)man gets the job. Anyone who thinks that someone is going to be turned down because of their colour/race/religion is living in cloud cuckoo land as are those who bang on about equality.

Posted by: Biker1 Jun 23 2020, 07:07 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 22 2020, 12:19 PM) *
An object lesson to all, Sir. The problem, (in the UK), is that we have had over 20 years of "nanny state" politics which at best has reassured the inhabitants that whatever life throws at them there is a steel floor which will not allow them to fall, but the flip side is that the intrinsically idle are in the same system and have exploited it without a second thought to the detriment of all. Do we wish to return to a pre-war type system where the few rich lorded it over the many poor? Of course not but it did mean everyone had to take some form of employment in order to survive and those who had the aptitude were rewarded for their endeavours.
Of course this has bugger all to do with the BLM farce but it needs to be recognised in the context of slavery per se having little to do with colour but a lot with exploitation. We have strict employment laws that protect not only employees but also prospective ones which means when a candidate presents himself for consideration it will not be a skin colour that sits across the table but someone who could potentially benefit the business. This simply means that the best (wo)man gets the job. Anyone who thinks that someone is going to be turned down because of their colour/race/religion is living in cloud cuckoo land as are those who bang on about equality.

Hit the nail on the head in your usual eloquent way Sir W.! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Andy1 Jun 23 2020, 10:02 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 22 2020, 12:19 PM) *
An object lesson to all, Sir. The problem, (in the UK), is that we have had over 20 years of "nanny state" politics which at best has reassured the inhabitants that whatever life throws at them there is a steel floor which will not allow them to fall, but the flip side is that the intrinsically idle are in the same system and have exploited it without a second thought to the detriment of all. Do we wish to return to a pre-war type system where the few rich lorded it over the many poor? Of course not but it did mean everyone had to take some form of employment in order to survive and those who had the aptitude were rewarded for their endeavours.
Of course this has bugger all to do with the BLM farce but it needs to be recognised in the context of slavery per se having little to do with colour but a lot with exploitation. We have strict employment laws that protect not only employees but also prospective ones which means when a candidate presents himself for consideration it will not be a skin colour that sits across the table but someone who could potentially benefit the business. This simply means that the best (wo)man gets the job. Anyone who thinks that someone is going to be turned down because of their colour/race/religion is living in cloud cuckoo land as are those who bang on about equality.


In the meantime Black people in this country continue to receive racist abuse on a daily basis, whether it be directly, indirectly. That's ok though because employment law protects you on the street. Wait sorry that's farce, it doesn't happen.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 23 2020, 10:08 AM

QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 23 2020, 08:07 AM) *
Hit the nail on the head in your usual eloquent way Sir W.! biggrin.gif


Take care, rumour afoot that the there is a school of thought that believes that even inanimate objects such as fastenings should be afforded respect. After all your toilet cistern now contains a float valve as opposed to a ball ****, so from now on everything will be called "George". rolleyes.gif

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 23 2020, 10:11 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 23 2020, 11:08 AM) *
Take care, rumour afoot that the there is a school of thought that believes that even inanimate objects such as fastenings should be afforded respect. After all your toilet cistern now contains a float valve as opposed to a ball ****, so from now on everything will be called "George". rolleyes.gif


Forgot the censor doesn't like any form of reference to male poultry.......Must be a vegan laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 23 2020, 10:14 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 23 2020, 11:08 AM) *
Take care, rumour afoot that the there is a school of thought that believes that even inanimate objects such as fastenings should be afforded respect. After all your toilet cistern now contains a float valve as opposed to a ball ****, so from now on everything will be called "George". rolleyes.gif

George is a bit white "Kingy"...have to think of a better name sir..

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 23 2020, 10:19 AM

Meanwhile... in the communist utopian experiment that is CHAZ or CHOP..the woke have actually set up black only zones guarded by whites..thus recreating 1980s apartheid South Africa.😂

https://mobile.twitter.com/zionist_report/status/1274337412181823489


Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 23 2020, 12:10 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 23 2020, 11:14 AM) *
George is a bit white "Kingy"...have to think of a better name sir..


Leroy?

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 25 2020, 04:04 PM

A short instructional video,
https://youtu.be/OEvMc-K8XHY

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 25 2020, 06:25 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 25 2020, 05:04 PM) *
A short instructional video,
https://youtu.be/OEvMc-K8XHY


Oh how close to the truth this is. I particularly like the Martin Luther King quotation at the end. Not sure of the demographic involved in yesterday's London disruption that left 22 police officers requiring medical attention, but as the media was not forthcoming one assumes they weren't white middle class.
Bet even that brings a torrent of abuse. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 25 2020, 06:42 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 25 2020, 07:25 PM) *
Oh how close to the truth this is. I particularly like the Martin Luther King quotation at the end. Not sure of the demographic involved in yesterday's London disruption that left 22 police officers requiring medical attention, but as the media was not forthcoming one assumes they weren't white middle class.
Bet even that brings a torrent of abuse. rolleyes.gif

They should just have one purge night a year. No police. All crime allowed. See what's left. Just in Inner London. A pay per view event.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 25 2020, 09:02 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 25 2020, 07:42 PM) *
They should just have one purge night a year. No police. All crime allowed. See what's left. Just in Inner London. A pay per view event.


Ah the old entrepreneurial spirit that this country needs as it heads to financial obliteration. I expect that p**** of a mayor will consider it part of a wider integration programme.

Posted by: Turin Machine Jun 25 2020, 09:13 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 25 2020, 06:42 PM) *
They should just have one purge night a year. No police. All crime allowed. See what's left. Just in Inner London. A pay per view event.

I'd buy that for a dollar!

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 27 2020, 08:06 AM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 25 2020, 10:13 PM) *
I'd buy that for a dollar!


Wait a couple of years and it will be on "Dave" for free.

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 29 2020, 10:08 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 22 2020, 12:19 PM) *
An object lesson to all, Sir. The problem, (in the UK), is that we have had over 20 years of "nanny state" politics which at best has reassured the inhabitants that whatever life throws at them there is a steel floor which will not allow them to fall, but the flip side is that the intrinsically idle are in the same system and have exploited it without a second thought to the detriment of all. Do we wish to return to a pre-war type system where the few rich lorded it over the many poor? Of course not but it did mean everyone had to take some form of employment in order to survive and those who had the aptitude were rewarded for their endeavours.
Of course this has bugger all to do with the BLM farce but it needs to be recognised in the context of slavery per se having little to do with colour but a lot with exploitation. We have strict employment laws that protect not only employees but also prospective ones which means when a candidate presents himself for consideration it will not be a skin colour that sits across the table but someone who could potentially benefit the business. This simply means that the best (wo)man gets the job. Anyone who thinks that someone is going to be turned down because of their colour/race/religion is living in cloud cuckoo land as are those who bang on about equality.

There is evidence suggesting you’re wrong; this is just one example.

“ Wherever you look across society this yawning gap in the lives of the black and white population reveals itself.

In 2018, black people had the highest unemployment rate of any ethnicity at 9% – more than twice the white population at 4%. Data from the Office for National Statistics shows that, in 2018, only 66.9% of the black population was employed, versus 76.4% of the white population.
Even when they are employed, black people do not earn as much as others.

In London in 2018, ethnic minorities earned 21.7% less than the rest of the population. In the same year, the Resolution Foundation found that, overall, 1.9 million black and ethnic minority workers are paid about £3.2 billion less than their white counterparts every year.”

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/06/08/black-lives-dont-matter-in-britain/

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 30 2020, 11:30 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 29 2020, 11:08 PM) *
There is evidence suggesting you’re wrong; this is just one example.

“ Wherever you look across society this yawning gap in the lives of the black and white population reveals itself.

In 2018, black people had the highest unemployment rate of any ethnicity at 9% – more than twice the white population at 4%. Data from the Office for National Statistics shows that, in 2018, only 66.9% of the black population was employed, versus 76.4% of the white population.
Even when they are employed, black people do not earn as much as others.

In London in 2018, ethnic minorities earned 21.7% less than the rest of the population. In the same year, the Resolution Foundation found that, overall, 1.9 million black and ethnic minority workers are paid about £3.2 billion less than their white counterparts every year.”

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/06/08/black-lives-dont-matter-in-britain/


I do the same job as one of my black colleagues and he earns a lot more than me. 🤔

Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 30 2020, 11:41 AM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 29 2020, 11:08 PM) *
There is evidence suggesting you’re wrong; this is just one example.

“ Wherever you look across society this yawning gap in the lives of the black and white population reveals itself.

In 2018, black people had the highest unemployment rate of any ethnicity at 9% – more than twice the white population at 4%. Data from the Office for National Statistics shows that, in 2018, only 66.9% of the black population was employed, versus 76.4% of the white population.
Even when they are employed, black people do not earn as much as others.

In London in 2018, ethnic minorities earned 21.7% less than the rest of the population. In the same year, the Resolution Foundation found that, overall, 1.9 million black and ethnic minority workers are paid about £3.2 billion less than their white counterparts every year.”

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/06/08/black-lives-dont-matter-in-britain/


Have you ever asked the question Why? Statistics are just numbers we use to evaluate the picture without taking into account factors that influence them. If someone can show me evidence that a white applicant will have preference over a black one of similar merit I will happily change my view, but to expect me, as an employer, to take on staff of non white appearance just to appease the loony left to the detriment of the business is plain bonkers. What the BLM and other spurious pressure groups should be concentrating on is ensuring the education system is up to standard and every family whether black ,white or khaki takes responsibility for their children to accept this and not let them drift into an anti-social grouping.
Then we really will be a fully integrated country, but I doubt to many reading this will see it.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 30 2020, 11:50 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 30 2020, 12:41 PM) *
Have you ever asked the question Why? Statistics are just numbers we use to evaluate the picture without taking into account factors that influence them. If someone can show me evidence that a white applicant will have preference over a black one of similar merit I will happily change my view, but to expect me, as an employer, to take on staff of non white appearance just to appease the loony left to the detriment of the business is plain bonkers. What the BLM and other spurious pressure groups should be concentrating on is ensuring the education system is up to standard and every family whether black ,white or khaki takes responsibility for their children to accept this and not let them drift into an anti-social grouping.
Then we really will be a fully integrated country, but I doubt to many reading this will see it.

In other news.. the Countryside is now racist..

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1277277327639154688

Some quite funny responses to this..

Posted by: Andy Capp Jun 30 2020, 03:05 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 30 2020, 12:30 PM) *
I do the same job as one of my black colleagues and he earns a lot more than me. 🤔

Anecdotes don’t really prove anything.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 30 2020, 03:40 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 30 2020, 04:05 PM) *
Anecdotes don’t really prove anything.

True. The value of a person is what he or she can do. But then again as you know you can always prove anything with statistics. Without delving into the data and looking at the reasons to say it is "racism" is conjecture. Even Lammy knows that.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/15/families-need-fathers-david-lammy

Young black men are far more likely to earn little or no money, but rely on the spoils of crime as a result of the location and environment they are brought up in. Just saying its "racist" is the easy option.

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 30 2020, 04:00 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 30 2020, 12:50 PM) *
In other news.. the Countryside is now racist..

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCCountryfile/status/1277277327639154688

Some quite funny responses to this..

#oaksmakegoodburningcrossesandothersnowflakenonsense

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 30 2020, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 30 2020, 05:00 PM) *
#oaksmakegoodburningcrossesandothersnowflakenonsense

Are you one of the Klansmen patrolling the woods trying to spot any BAMEs infiltrating our glorious white countryside??

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 30 2020, 04:32 PM

First they reintroduced segregation, now they're shooting each other, so that's all worked well hasn't it.
BBC News - Two teenagers shot in Seattle's Chop autonomous zone
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53224445

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 30 2020, 04:34 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 30 2020, 05:14 PM) *
Are you one of the Klansmen patrolling the woods trying to spot any BAMEs infiltrating our glorious white countryside??

No, but I've just been lecturing an alder, a larch and two pines on the absolute necessity of being fully inclusive.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 30 2020, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 30 2020, 05:34 PM) *
No, but I've just been lecturing an alder, a larch and two pines on the absolute necessity of being fully inclusive.

Dont speak to the white poplar though. Always leaning to the right...

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 30 2020, 04:52 PM

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 30 2020, 05:32 PM) *
First they reintroduced segregation, now they're shooting each other, so that's all worked well hasn't it.
BBC News - Two teenagers shot in Seattle's Chop autonomous zone
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53224445

They need to make it pay per view. They have also built a wall.😂😂

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jun 30 2020, 05:07 PM

I'm also getting very confused...😂😂

https://mobile.twitter.com/RayGarciahawaii/status/1277882681922064386


Posted by: SirWilliam Jun 30 2020, 05:33 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 30 2020, 06:07 PM) *
I'm also getting very confused...😂😂

https://mobile.twitter.com/RayGarciahawaii/status/1277882681922064386


Makes one so proud to be a member of the human race. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: je suis Charlie Jun 30 2020, 06:33 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 30 2020, 06:33 PM) *
Makes one so proud to be a member of the human race. rolleyes.gif

He was black but his life didn't matter. 😆

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 2 2020, 08:02 AM

See there is a call to make Jesus black now. Bet that will go down well in leafy suburbia. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Jul 2 2020, 09:03 AM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 2 2020, 09:02 AM) *
See there is a call to make Jesus black now. Bet that will go down well in leafy suburbia. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

But what shade? Olive or Congolese? Best thing to do would be to make him a colour that isn't in the human race to avoid offending someone.😂

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 2 2020, 12:27 PM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jul 2 2020, 10:03 AM) *
But what shade? Olive or Congolese? Best thing to do would be to make him a colour that isn't in the human race to avoid offending someone.😂


If he's as clever as they say he is then he could change his colour accordingly like a chameleon to ever he happened to be talking to at the time.
Oh sorry I forgot he doesn't visit very often and especially at the moment as he is obviously observing social distancing.

Posted by: Mr Brown Jul 3 2020, 08:30 PM

QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jul 2 2020, 01:27 PM) *
If he's as clever as they say he is then he could change his colour accordingly like a chameleon to ever he happened to be talking to at the time.
Oh sorry I forgot he doesn't visit very often and especially at the moment as he is obviously observing social distancing.


No escaping the fact that Jesus is a Jew so he’d be of colour and unpopular in certain circles.

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 15 2020, 05:22 PM

Another of those little videos you can believe or not, but haven't heard to many ridiculing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61do-MF8aw0

Posted by: Phil_D11102 Jul 16 2020, 11:55 AM

QUOTE
No escaping the fact that Jesus is a Jew so he’d be of colour and unpopular in certain circles.


I have traveled to and lived in 7 different Middle Eastern Countries, to include Israel.

I would safely say that there are light and dark skin people all over the region. Even some red headed people.



Posted by: Mr Brown Jul 16 2020, 02:08 PM

QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Jul 16 2020, 12:55 PM) *
I have traveled to and lived in 7 different Middle Eastern Countries, to include Israel.

I would safely say that there are light and dark skin people all over the region. Even some red headed people.


Presumably not in circa 33AD ?

Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 16 2020, 05:28 PM

QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Jul 16 2020, 03:08 PM) *
Presumably not in circa 33AD ?


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Posted by: Phil_D11102 Jul 20 2020, 02:40 PM

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No I traveled there a little later. I was there 53 AD.

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Posted by: SirWilliam Jul 20 2020, 06:26 PM

QUOTE (Phil_D11102 @ Jul 20 2020, 03:40 PM) *
No I traveled there a little later. I was there 53 AD.

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Should that not read 806 AUC? Oh sorry I forgot all history is to be erased from the record as even those nasty Romans had a few African slaves in their stable, along with thousands of Europeans. So any time before 2020 is of no relevance. rolleyes.gif

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