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post Jul 23 2011, 11:06 AM
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Firstly; The company and people involved will not be named and no indication as to which company it is will be given.

I am facing dismissal from a throwaway comment put up on Facebook.
My managers found out by someone telling them who I had added as a friend.
My settings are set to the highest levels of Privacy and nobody can access my profile unless I have accept them as a friend.
The comment in question is about managers using no swear words.
I was never given the handbook or policy so know nothing about these kind of comments being forbidden. I had NO idea that it was considered "Gross Misconduct" and I never mentioned the company in this status, neither have I ever had the company listed as my employer.

I am not a member of a union and will see CAB on monday but does anyone have any advice on this?
I find it hideously unfair considering I didn't know how serious this matter was and considering I have never stated who my employers are.
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post Jul 23 2011, 11:11 AM
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Funny, it would seem that in the case you are the idiot! If you wouldn't stand up and say something publicly, don't put it on the internet. Not mentioning your employer could serve as a small defence but if I were you I would be searching the NWN job section not bothering with the CAB.
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post Jul 23 2011, 11:15 AM
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There is no need to call me names. I came on here for advice, not to be insulted.
I'm already upset enough over this, do you think that comment has made me feel in the slightest bit better?
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post Jul 23 2011, 11:27 AM
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Simple truth is social networks are as useful as a chocolate fireguard if you want a private conversation, and the sooner people realise that the fewer of these events there will be. Don't say anything on a network you wouldn't shout in a crowded pub.
Once you press 'send', the comment is as published as if you placed an ad in the NWN - or left a message on someones voicemail.
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post Jul 23 2011, 11:31 AM
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Ok,
the fact is that I did not know that this was considered Gross Misconduct because the company had never told or shown me.
If I had thought for a second about it then I probably would have thought not to put it on but we all know how easy it is to type something on the internet. We don't sit and plan out and develope every tiny comment we make on here.
If I had known I would never have done it.

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post Jul 23 2011, 11:35 AM
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How did your company find out about it?
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post Jul 23 2011, 11:37 AM
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A colleague I had added as a friend went and showed them. They have admitted they cannot access my profile because it is private which means they have not been able to print anything.
They have also admitted that I have never recieved the relevant documentation telling me this is forbidden and how serious it is.
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post Jul 23 2011, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE (Decarix @ Jul 23 2011, 12:37 PM) *
A colleague I had added as a friend went and showed them. They have admitted they cannot access my profile because it is private which means they have not been able to print anything.
Except they can access your profile through your "friend" at work.
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post Jul 23 2011, 11:57 AM
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Proving it is not accesible to the public
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post Jul 23 2011, 11:59 AM
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I feel we are getting away from the point.
I did not know this was such a serious offence, I did not even know it was an offence.
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post Jul 23 2011, 12:05 PM
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Presumably Decarix you may have signed a contract, which gives you a form of protection.
Not sure how Gross Misconduct is thought of these days.I would have thought you should be given the
written warnings etc, then you would have a chance to find a new employer (perhaps with luck a simple reference even).

I agree with earlier comments, you have to keep thoughts to yourself these days...How many "Toxic e-mails" are made public?
I am sure you would have read some of the stuff posted by MPs on twitter are a source of humiliation.
Sally Bercow is a bit of a loose cannon for example.

Hope the news from your company is not too bad.ce
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post Jul 23 2011, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE (Decarix @ Jul 23 2011, 12:59 PM) *
I feel we are getting away from the point.
I did not know this was such a serious offence, I did not even know it was an offence.


Seems the company are being a bit too touchy to me? Are you sure that is all you stated? If everyone got dismissed for saying that Managers are useless then job centers would be inundated! rolleyes.gif


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post Jul 23 2011, 12:12 PM
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This is why I feel it is so unfair. I said the managers comment then when someone asked why I said
"Because I am a *specific job role* and I keep being put on different departments so I cannot complete work vital to the smooth running of my department, then I get spoken to about why I am not doing the jobs for my department"

I never said which company it was for or which manager(s) I was referring to.

I'm here for advice, I wouldn't withhold anything. I can honestly say I didn't even use any swear words!
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post Jul 23 2011, 12:18 PM
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How long have you been employed by the employer?
Were you given written statement of the complaint against you before your disciplinary hearing?
Were you given the opportunity to be represented?
Were you given an opportunity to appeal the decision?
Is the employer a public body or a private company?
Were you already under a written warning for misconduct?

I would say that a private statement refering to your managers as idiots could ammount to gross misconduct if for example you made the statement to a client, but to friends and colleagues I'd say it was at worst misconduct. I think your employer has over-reacted, but the question now is what to do about it. If you have been dismissed then you may possibly be able to bring a claim for unfair dismissal at an employment tribunal, but they're unlikely to give you your job back so the best you'll get is a bit of compensation.


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post Jul 23 2011, 12:34 PM
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I have not been with them long enuogh for any legal standing or tribunals. 8 months.
I was not given anything before they investigated me, I have my disciplinary hearing early next week.
Yes to representation but I was not a member of a union before the start of this investigation so there wasn't much I could do about that.
A decision has not been made yet.
The employer is a shop commonly found on highstreets.
I have an exmplary record with this company and have even been praised by managers for my customer service and hard work and have been recognised in the company to become a manager "in 12-18 months"
My customer service has regularly contributed to our customer service weekly score to 70% and above. I have been rewarded twice for my skills and services to the company.

In the investigation I said that I would like all of this to be taken into consideration and they told me they can only use what is in fron tof them for this investigation. Nothing outisde of it.


They are saying that my friends are potential customers.
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post Jul 23 2011, 12:48 PM
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Practice grovelling over the next few days. Sounds like you have a good record,
and some managers have recognised that...Shame you can't use those details in your hearing
The panel will have your history though. Maybe in the right hands it will help.
Good luck.ce
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post Jul 23 2011, 12:49 PM
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Thank you all for your advice.

I don't think I have much chance, this is a very large company and it definately feels like they are bulldozing me.

All they needed to do was make sure I knew the rules and it would have come down immediately.

Sucks.
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post Jul 23 2011, 12:57 PM
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I would say that you colleague is after your job ! why dont you just take the comment off of FB ? unless your colleague has already printed it out.
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post Jul 23 2011, 01:14 PM
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The comment was taken off before the investigation began because another colleague who actually IS a friend warned me. They have no proof but all they need is other peoples word against mine.
They have two different peoples statementss saying they saw this comment on my facebook.
They havent printed it off because they can't access it! Because it is not publically open!
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post Jul 23 2011, 01:25 PM
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This sounds like a very popular supermarket that I am familiar with. They are allegedly a vengeful employer and apparently have a poor attitude to employees. Their union is hopeless as well.
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