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Oct 9 2016, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 9 2016, 11:30 AM) So what? I seem to remember a very large number round here didn't want the Vodafone development. Isn't the fracking issue a national issue; same reaction can be expected in any locality where it was proposed. In fact, this particular issue demonstrates why centralising things is actually fairer and better. Blimey, that's a fairly contemptuous of local people's views coming from one of our local politicians there. I take it you voted Remain then, as you think centralising things is actually fairer and better?
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Oct 9 2016, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 9 2016, 01:08 PM) Blimey, that's a fairly contemptuous of local people's views coming from one of our local politicians there.
I take it you voted Remain then, as you think centralising things is actually fairer and better? No, quite the reverse! I certainly hope I'm not a 'local' politician, and getting closer as made me even less inclined. Seeing things at close quarters brings them into sharp focus; if you do a dispassionate a analysis, the existing system is damaged beyond repair. Until we can get a mechanisim that delivers real local accountability, nothing will change. What real power does a local council have over any service it delivers? Where does the bulk of their money come from? What real difference in services is Joe Average wanting to see when he has a choice of house in different local authority areas? When we are scrabbling around for coins behind the sofa to pay for essential services, we really can't afford the comic opera going on between District and parish level councils.
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Oct 9 2016, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 9 2016, 01:50 PM) No, quite the reverse! I certainly hope I'm not a 'local' politician, and getting closer as made me even less inclined. Seeing things at close quarters brings them into sharp focus; if you do a dispassionate a analysis, the existing system is damaged beyond repair. Until we can get a mechanisim that delivers real local accountability, nothing will change. What real power does a local council have over any service it delivers? Where does the bulk of their money come from? What real difference in services is Joe Average wanting to see when he has a choice of house in different local authority areas? When we are scrabbling around for coins behind the sofa to pay for essential services, we really can't afford the comic opera going on between District and parish level councils. I take it you voted Remain then, as you think centralising things is actually fairer and better?
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Oct 9 2016, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 9 2016, 01:54 PM) I take it you voted Remain then, as you think centralising things is actually fairer and better? Quite the reverse. I voted Brexit to leave the stultifying, dead hand of the un representative self satisfied bureaucracy that epitomises the EU. Far from encouraging fairness, it's doing the opposite. The idea is great, the institutionalised incompetence isn't - get the picture?
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Oct 9 2016, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 9 2016, 03:51 PM) Quite the reverse. I voted Brexit to leave the stultifying, dead hand of the un representative self satisfied bureaucracy that epitomises the EU. Far from encouraging fairness, it's doing the opposite. The idea is great, the institutionalised incompetence isn't - get the picture? You said centralising things is actually fairer and better, yet you voted against it in the EU Referendum. Can't have it both ways mate.
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Oct 9 2016, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 9 2016, 08:13 PM) You said centralising things is actually fairer and better, yet you voted against it in the EU Referendum. Can't have it both ways mate. Of course I can. Get rid of unnecessary, expensive and incompentent bureacracy either side of our parliament. What's wrong with that? What properly focussed organisation hasn't done exactly the same. Centralising things properly doesn't actually mean loss of democratic or indeed local input IF the organisation set up to deliver the service is created properly. After all, that's exactly what's happening with schools right now. Odd, I thought you'd get that.
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Oct 9 2016, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 9 2016, 08:57 PM) Of course I can. Get rid of unnecessary, expensive and incompentent bureacracy either side of our parliament. What's wrong with that? What properly focussed organisation hasn't done exactly the same.
Centralising things properly doesn't actually mean loss of democratic or indeed local input IF the organisation set up to deliver the service is created properly. After all, that's exactly what's happening with schools right now.
Odd, I thought you'd get that. Centralising things would be giving more power to Brussels, not one of 28 regional parliaments taking back control. What's happening with schools right now is a fair few are close to going bust.
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Oct 9 2016, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 9 2016, 09:19 PM) Centralising things would be giving more power to Brussels, not one of 28 regional parliaments taking back control. What's happening with schools right now is a fair few are close to going bust. Sigh, no, now we have Brexit, centralisation will just give more power to Westminister, actually finalising a process already underway. As for schools, yes, failures finish; what's wrong with that? Equally, 'close to going bust' is a million miles from actually doing so. Most competent organisations I know operate on a financial knife edge, very successfully, as the saying goes, every penny counts. Do you know any public sector finance officer who'd say in public he had enough money?
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Oct 9 2016, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 9 2016, 09:35 PM) Sigh, no, now we have Brexit, centralisation will just give more power to Westminister, actually finalising a process already underway. As for schools, yes, failures finish; what's wrong with that? Equally, 'close to going bust' is a million miles from actually doing so. Most competent organisations I know operate on a financial knife edge, very successfully, as the saying goes, every penny counts. Do you know any public sector finance officer who'd say in public he had enough money? Sign, no, Brexit is exactly the opposite of centralisation. Odd, I thought you'd get that.
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Oct 9 2016, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 9 2016, 09:40 PM) Sign, no, Brexit is exactly the opposite of centralisation.
Odd, I thought you'd get that. Don't you understand the concept of sovereignty? That's what Brexit is about. Like it or not, the majority in the Country are not internationalists. It's disenjenuous to suggest otherwise.
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Oct 9 2016, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Oct 9 2016, 09:45 PM) Don't you understand the concept of sovereignty? That's what Brexit is about. Like it or not, the majority in the Country are not internationalists. It's disenjenuous to suggest otherwise. We were discussing centralisation. You said you support that approach. Then we discussed Brexit which is essentially decentralisation from Europe. You said you support that too. You're either confused or on the wind up, taking two contrary points on the same topic. Either way, I'm out.
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Oct 10 2016, 06:09 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 9 2016, 09:57 PM) We were discussing centralisation. You said you support that approach.
Then we discussed Brexit which is essentially decentralisation from Europe. You said you support that too.
You're either confused or on the wind up, taking two contrary points on the same topic.
Either way, I'm out. By your elementary logic, and your previous responses take it that you are a 'Remainer' couple that with what you've said here means you must strongly support my contention that centralisation is the way forward, so we are both looking forward to the abolition of WBC. Either way, you know you can't sustain your position, so of course you are out!
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Oct 10 2016, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Oct 9 2016, 09:57 PM) Then we discussed Brexit which is essentially decentralisation from Europe. I don't see it as decentralisation. More like raise-the-drawbridge inward looking centralisation.
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Oct 13 2016, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (HJD @ Oct 13 2016, 03:56 PM) Ah well it seems those over the border in Hampshire are going to get permits after all, although they have got to wait till Christmas though . So, then, back to square one, except some of us still can't use the dump because we turn up in a WBC licenced taxi, and we have been issued with passes checked by paid staff when we turn up. Mmm, yet another sparkling success for our superb local authority. As a previous response pointed out; you couldn't make it up!
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