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Andy Capp
post Dec 14 2011, 03:31 AM
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It would seem that Joseph Mallord William Turner, a world famous Romantic landscape painter, painted Donnington Castle. I have never heard of this before. I understand that William Turner of Oxford (a different Turner than the one famous for painting 'The Fighting Temeraire') painted a very similar picture to that listed at Dreweatts.

Are there any art gurus on this forum that could confirm whether the picture is a legitimate JMW Turner, or not? I have a feeling a mistake has been made.


Turner's Donnington Castle painting up at auction



Donnington Castle, taken from a Field adjoining the Road to East Ilsley, from Newbury - by William Turner of Oxford
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IanB
post Dec 14 2011, 05:42 PM
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Interesting speculation.

If there is an error somewhere, I also notice the same has happened with another of JMW Turner's watercolour pieces.

'Newbury, from Speen Hill' circa 1805 is listed on the Tate Collection here:

http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cg...p;searchid=9289

It is also attributed to a 'William Turner (of Oxford)', having also been engraved by William Byrne here:

http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk/work.aspx?obj=20238

Interestingly, both this and the Donnington Castle lot were purchased at Sotheby's 22nd February 1977...
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post Dec 14 2011, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE (IanB @ Dec 14 2011, 05:42 PM) *
Interesting speculation.

If there is an error somewhere, I also notice the same has happened with another of JMW Turner's watercolour pieces.

'Newbury, from Speen Hill' circa 1805 is listed on the Tate Collection here:

http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cg...p;searchid=9289

It is also attributed to a 'William Turner (of Oxford)', having also been engraved by William Byrne here:

http://www.gac.culture.gov.uk/work.aspx?obj=20238

Interestingly, both this and the Donnington Castle lot were purchased at Sotheby's 22nd February 1977...

Yes, here's an engraving of the same original attributed to JMW Turner.



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- Andy Capp   Turner painting of Donnington to be auctioned   Dec 14 2011, 03:31 AM
- - Dodgys smarter brother.   If that picture is actually the one being sold, th...   Dec 14 2011, 07:51 AM
- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Dec 14 2011,...   Dec 14 2011, 09:35 AM
|- - admin   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 14 2011, 09:35 AM)...   Dec 14 2011, 09:48 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (admin @ Dec 14 2011, 09:48 AM) Mor...   Dec 14 2011, 10:15 AM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 14 2011, 10:15 AM)...   Dec 14 2011, 10:53 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 14 2011, 10:53 AM) How...   Dec 14 2011, 11:08 AM
|- - Simon Kirby   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 14 2011, 10:53 AM) How...   Dec 14 2011, 11:08 AM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 14 2011, 11:08 A...   Dec 14 2011, 11:20 AM
|- - JeffG   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 14 2011, 11:08 A...   Dec 14 2011, 12:43 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (JeffG @ Dec 14 2011, 12:43 PM) And...   Dec 14 2011, 12:52 PM
|- - Dodgys smarter brother.   Interesting that there is no Castle called Donning...   Dec 14 2011, 01:15 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Dec 14 2011,...   Dec 14 2011, 01:27 PM
- - Simon Kirby   Government Art Collection says Andy Capp is right....   Dec 14 2011, 10:00 AM
- - Dodgys smarter brother.   There is certainly no mention of Donnington on thi...   Dec 14 2011, 12:42 PM
- - NWNREADER   Does this help? Note the comment 'currently u...   Dec 14 2011, 01:30 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Dec 14 2011, 01:30 PM)...   Dec 14 2011, 01:34 PM
- - Dodgys smarter brother.   Except that we know Sothebys had it in 1999. (If i...   Dec 14 2011, 01:36 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Dodgys smarter brother. @ Dec 14 2011,...   Dec 14 2011, 01:37 PM
- - Simon Kirby   I'm wondering if JMW Turner painted the origin...   Dec 14 2011, 04:16 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 14 2011, 04:16 P...   Dec 14 2011, 04:57 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (IanB @ Dec 14 2011, 05:42 PM) Inte...   Dec 14 2011, 07:53 PM
- - Dodgys smarter brother.   There is always the possibility that someone, some...   Dec 14 2011, 06:54 PM
- - Dodgys smarter brother.   Stand down. It didn't sell. That it was a T...   Dec 15 2011, 07:26 AM
- - Nothing Much   Bit of excitement there. I thought I would mentio...   Dec 15 2011, 12:01 PM
- - Nothing Much   Sorry . Silly repeat posting   Dec 15 2011, 12:03 PM
- - Simon Kirby   I've received a very nice response from the Go...   Dec 15 2011, 12:06 PM
|- - Andy Capp   QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Dec 15 2011, 12:06 P...   Dec 15 2011, 12:33 PM
- - Dodgys smarter brother.   So all we have to do now is get the picture of the...   Dec 15 2011, 01:36 PM


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