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post Jun 22 2010, 01:17 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/10373292.stm

Can we have this for Newbury please as well?

NorthBrook Street, West Mills, Bartholomew Street, Station Road, Cheap Street, Market Place.

(and anywhere else that has this to put up with)
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post Jun 22 2010, 03:03 PM
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I thought they had already used dispersal orders in Newbury (e.g. the small park opposite St. John's Post Office).
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post Jun 22 2010, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Jun 22 2010, 04:03 PM) *
I thought they had already used dispersal orders in Newbury (e.g. the small park opposite St. John's Post Office).


If they do it is not working. The last time I went through Newbury I was surprised with the amount of drinkers on our streets. Police were also there, but they took no notice.
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post Jun 22 2010, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Jun 22 2010, 04:25 PM) *
If they do it is not working

They are not a blanket ban. They apply to specific locations.
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post Jun 22 2010, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Jun 22 2010, 04:28 PM) *
They are not a blanket ban. They apply to specific locations.


But it still is not a good image for Newbury.
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post Jun 22 2010, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Jun 22 2010, 04:25 PM) *
If they do it is not working. The last time I went through Newbury I was surprised with the amount of drinkers on our streets. Police were also there, but they took no notice.


I noticed with one group, they had decanted their booze into pop bottles.
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post Jun 22 2010, 04:35 PM
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Where would you disperse them to and how would you stop them congregating in another area?
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post Jun 22 2010, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Jun 22 2010, 05:35 PM) *
Where would you disperse them to and how would you stop them congregating in another area?


If you made a blanket ban and they did it somewhere else then they should be arrested.
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post Jun 22 2010, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE (Exhausted @ Jun 22 2010, 05:28 PM) *
I noticed with one group, they had decanted their booze into pop bottles.


Yes, I've seen that. It is a popular move by some youngsters. But I am sure the police are aware of such tricks.
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post Jun 23 2010, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Jun 22 2010, 05:44 PM) *
Yes, I've seen that. It is a popular move by some youngsters. But I am sure the police are aware of such tricks.

Yes. I regularly see them swigging from coke bottles too! blink.gif
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post Jun 23 2010, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (Batfink @ Jun 23 2010, 12:13 PM) *
Yes. I regularly see them swigging from coke bottles too! blink.gif


How do you know it is not Coke?
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post Jun 23 2010, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE (Jayjay @ Jun 23 2010, 05:30 PM) *
How do you know it is not Coke?



The give away is by how they act... and if you walk passed them you can smell the alcohol.
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post Jun 24 2010, 07:43 AM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Jun 23 2010, 07:43 PM) *
The give away is by how they act... and if you walk passed them you can smell the alcohol.

This is an example of yet another law that the police won't or can't enforce because the drunks don't have any money to pay the fines and a short stretch in gaol would be like a visit too Butlins for them.


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post Jun 24 2010, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jun 24 2010, 08:43 AM) *
This is an example of yet another law that the police won't or can't enforce because the drunks don't have any money to pay the fines and a short stretch in gaol would be like a visit too Butlins for them.
I agree, they need rehabilitating, not punishing.

Giving them fines they can't pay or threatening to give them three meals a day, a bed and a roof over their head in prison isn't really any deterrent.
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post Jun 24 2010, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jun 24 2010, 08:43 AM) *
This is an example of yet another law that the police won't or can't enforce because the drunks don't have any money to pay the fines and a short stretch in gaol would be like a visit too Butlins for them.



What about firing squad?
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post Jun 24 2010, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE (user23 @ Jun 24 2010, 08:09 PM) *
I agree, they need rehabilitating, not punishing.

Giving them fines they can't pay or threatening to give them three meals a day, a bed and a roof over their head in prison isn't really any deterrent.



The trouble is they are not being rehabilitated, just allowed to carry on as they have been doing.
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post Jun 25 2010, 07:43 AM
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QUOTE (GMR @ Jun 24 2010, 09:19 PM) *
The trouble is they are not being rehabilitated, just allowed to carry on as they have been doing.

One answer would be not to give them money but give them food vouchers instead.
These guys don't want to be rehabilitated as they enjoy their lifestyle.
Society tolerates this drunken behaviour and so it will continue until we decide enough is enough.


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post Jun 25 2010, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jun 25 2010, 08:43 AM) *
One answer would be not to give them money but give them food vouchers instead.
These guys don't want to be rehabilitated as they enjoy their lifestyle.
Society tolerates this drunken behaviour and so it will continue until we decide enough is enough.



Keeping on agreeing with you Bloggo is becoming embarrassing wink.gif

But yes absolutely.


Only trouble is if you do not give money they will just nick the booze.

(PS Bloggo and I are not the same person!)
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post Jun 25 2010, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Jun 25 2010, 12:23 PM) *
Keeping on agreeing with you Bloggo is becoming embarrassing wink.gif

I'm sure it won't last and I will p**s you off at some time. laugh.gif



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post Jun 25 2010, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Jun 25 2010, 08:43 AM) *
One answer would be not to give them money but give them food vouchers instead.
These guys don't want to be rehabilitated as they enjoy their lifestyle.
Society tolerates this drunken behaviour and so it will continue until we decide enough is enough.


The trouble with food vouchers is that the innocent will suffer as well. Also; they can be sold on the black market and all you end up doing is penalising the honest person.
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