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Nov 24 2012, 08:47 AM
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http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/567966080 fines for using Park Way bridge since it was restricted. How many were repeat offenders? Either way that's a scary amount of inattentive drivers out there, but I'm sure they all had a perfectly valid 'excuse'...
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Nov 24 2012, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE (Darren @ Nov 24 2012, 08:47 AM) http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2012/567966080 fines for using Park Way bridge since it was restricted. How many were repeat offenders? Either way that's a scary amount of inattentive drivers out there, but I'm sure they all had a perfectly valid 'excuse'... I must admit, that it's going to be difficult for people to argue about it this time around. The locals should be used to the road layout by now and anyone who doesn't know the area should have a good deal of observation built into their driving. Perhaps instead of fining people WBC could offer a driving observation course or a few hours of community service?
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Nov 24 2012, 09:55 AM
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Are the signs lit now? Because if they are not lit you can't see them, or the bloody great 3 foot letters in the road!! Perhaps if they raise enough in fines they may be able to pay for a new, 2 - way bridge which is what should have been built in the first place.
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Nov 24 2012, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 24 2012, 09:55 AM) Are the signs lit now? Because if they are not lit you can't see them, or the bloody great 3 foot letters in the road!! Perhaps if they raise enough in fines they may be able to pay for a new, 2 - way bridge which is what should have been built in the first place. I don't think a two way bridge is 'what is needed', before that you would need a better traffic system in Bear Lane. That is the 'problem'. I have a better solution: I rarely, if ever, use Parkway.
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Nov 24 2012, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 24 2012, 11:09 AM) I don't think a two way bridge is 'what is needed', before that you would need a better traffic system in Bear Lane. That is the 'problem'. I have a better solution: I rarely, if ever, use Parkway. Agreed, which could or should be incorporated in any bridge project. However, "pie in the sky". I too, because of the current traffic arrangements, never drive in Parkway. "Round the Robin Hood" every time for me I'm afraid!
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Nov 24 2012, 11:00 AM
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QUOTE (Adrian Hollister @ Nov 24 2012, 09:53 AM) I must admit, that it's going to be difficult for people to argue about it this time around. The locals should be used to the road layout by now and anyone who doesn't know the area should have a good deal of observation built into their driving. Perhaps instead of fining people WBC could offer a driving observation course or a few hours of community service? Precisely, and if they can't see these signs would they not see a child in the road either? One or two motorists may claim to have made a mistake but not this many. Rank stupidity.
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Nov 24 2012, 11:06 AM
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QUOTE (Penelope @ Nov 24 2012, 12:00 PM) Precisely, and if they can't see these signs would they not see a child in the road either? One or two motorists may claim to have made a mistake but not this many. Rank stupidity. I'm fairly certain that in many instances it is not a case of drivers not seeing the signs. It is more a case of seeing them but thinking "I am too important for this to apply to me, I'll chance it". Much the same drivers as those who refuse to queue with everybody else, and who jump red traffic lights.
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Nov 24 2012, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE (Penelope @ Nov 24 2012, 11:00 AM) Precisely, and if they can't see these signs would they not see a child in the road either? One or two motorists may claim to have made a mistake but not this many. Rank stupidity. I suspect people do see the signs but don't understand them. I wonder why Keith Ulyatt won't say what happened to the £12, 400.00 they should have received. "Each fine is £30 if it is paid within 14 days, rising to £60 thereafter, therefore the council could have made at least £182,400 from the 6,080 upheld fines. However, public relations manager for the district council, Keith Ulyatt, said the local authority had only made £170,000 from the fines – but he refused to explain why."
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Nov 24 2012, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:06 AM) I'm fairly certain that in many instances it is not a case of drivers not seeing the signs. It is more a case of seeing them but thinking "I am too important for this to apply to me, I'll chance it". I'm more inclined to think it is people not being sure of their rights to use the bridge.
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Nov 24 2012, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 24 2012, 01:10 PM) I suspect people do see the signs but don't understand them. And these people are DRIVING!! How can you misinterpret written in the road in big letters:- BUSES AND TAXIS ONLY??
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Nov 24 2012, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:12 AM) And these people are DRIVING!! Back to the Highway Code for them pronto! I would imagine the vast majority of these drivers are otherwise perfectly safe by comparison to other drivers. I think the 'danger' aspect is over-hyped. Not with out more information. I'd like to know what the ratio is of drivers that cross compared to these that turn away. QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:12 AM) How can you misinterpret written in the road in big letters:-BUSES AND TAXIS ONLY?? Well since you ask: the statement can mean at least two things. BUSES AND TAXIS ONLY can mean only they can, or can't do something. In any case, it is easier to examine signage from the relative calm of a computer desk, but not so easy when you only have seconds to read an absorb new signage in the relative pressure situation of driving on the road. The traffic situation is rather ambiguous in so far as there are a number of signs detailing conditional use. That will mean people will more likely do the wrong thing compared to, say, a NO ENTRY sign, for instance. I'm not excusing anyone, I can just see how it happens, and I don't accept the argument that these people are more likely to hit children who stray in the road, and such arguments. I think that is sensationalist, unless there is data to support it of course.
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Nov 24 2012, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 24 2012, 01:17 PM) I think the 'danger' aspect is over-hyped. Not with out more information. I agree, hence my earlier comments - they see the signs but chance it, not realising that 24hr cameras are watching them.
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Nov 24 2012, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (Biker1 @ Nov 24 2012, 11:20 AM) I agree, hence my earlier comments - they see the signs but chance it, not realising that 24hr cameras are watching them. Yes it seems the council can operate effective camera systems when they want to.
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Nov 24 2012, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 24 2012, 11:34 AM) Yes it seems the council can operate effective camera systems when they want to. Where do the fines go? Is it to central government fund or does WBC get some or all of it?
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Nov 24 2012, 12:19 PM
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/8 QUOTE (Darren @ Nov 24 2012, 11:43 AM) Looking at the photos, the signs are very clear on what and isn't permitted. Perhaps they'd be bet off stopping off at the library and reading the Highway Code. That is a sensible idea; however, we are more likely to make a 'mistake' when we are presented with situations we are not familiar with. It is very easy when we have the time and comfort of our own home (or library) to ponder the definition of road signs and markings. No one can see us get it wrong for starters!
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Nov 24 2012, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE (Bartholomew @ Nov 24 2012, 12:09 PM) Where do the fines go? Is it to central government fund or does WBC get some or all of it? Back to council I believe. What we might consider is, did the council install a traffic light system to make money. I don't think so, although I would imagine they are eager to make-up for the short fall in 'expected' traffic fines from other areas.
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