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post Jun 11 2017, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 11 2017, 10:41 AM) *
Forgive my ignorance but what has the make/model of transport parked in the drive have to do with fox hunting ?
I profess to knowing very little about boxes on rubber wheels but I do have a wider insight into the " the unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable " pastime .
In days of yore the landed gentry divided quite happily between the shooting fraternity , who slaughtered every fox in the vicinity so as to raise copious amounts of game birds for the sole purpose of .... shooting them , and the hunting brigade who sought to facilitate the breeding of as many numbers of Vulpes vulpes as possible , for the dubious pleasure of chasing them across a muddy field whilst astride a large piece of horse meat . This " quaint " rural idiosyncrasy existed side by side quite happily, until some left wing activist who probably did not know a fox from a feasant ( sic ), thought it would kick the idle rich in the nether regions by abolishing it .
So £millions of tax payers money was poured into producing a situation where it is illegal to chase a fox with a pack of dogs but not to chase after your dogs who just happen to be chasing a fox . Bloody absurd !!!!
If you wish to prevent animal cruelty then look closer to home .

More wildlife , of all species , are slaughtered on our roads than all the other reasons combined but any suggestion of the automobile being abolished would be met with hoots of derision .
Thank you for the opportunity to express my view , you may now return to the relative safety of your respective 4x4s.


Much the same could be said of former townie sports like bear bateing, c0ck fighting etc. Presumably, you and the farming community also resent the cost of stunning your livestock when it is sent for slaughter?


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post Jun 11 2017, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 01:38 PM) *
Much the same could be said of former townie sports like bear bateing, c0ck fighting etc. Presumably, you and the farming community also resent the cost of stunning your livestock when it is sent for slaughter?


No need to worry about stunning. If its Ok for one community its Ok for the British farmer.
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post Jun 11 2017, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2017, 02:28 PM) *
No need to worry about stunning. If its Ok for one community its Ok for the British farmer.


Worrying, you are seeing every problem in terms of Islam, it's taking a hold TDH!


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post Jun 11 2017, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 03:08 PM) *
Worrying, you are seeing every problem in terms of Islam, it's taking a hold TDH!


Who mentioned Islam? Not me. Do you defend this particular practice then?
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post Jun 11 2017, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 11 2017, 03:11 PM) *
Who mentioned Islam? Not me. Do you defend this particular practice then?


Oh come on TDH! Of course you didn't .....directly.

No I don't condone or defend the practice and to register that joined a group lobbying ministers to get it stopped. Have you? Ironic that the NFU have been arguing about penny returns on milk production but keep quiet about this potential cost saving.


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post Jun 11 2017, 02:27 PM
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As far as the animal is concerned it matters not one jot who's name it is killed in , death is death . To place one furry creature in the "protect me " box whilst turning a blind eye to the welfare of his cousin seems a little hypocritical .
To answer those who think the farming community condones the barbarism of the halal slaughterhouse shows how out of touch with reality the average town dweller is . We breed animals for food because we are too damned lazy to go hunting . Vegetarians apart , we are omnivorous as a species and therefore require alarming quantities of protein in the form of meat . The quality of the finished article is directly proportional to the welfare it receives in it's live state and that is only achieved by selfish husbandry , which in turn demands an element of compassion . To then see their hard work simply suffer at the hands of those to ignorant to know different is plainly unacceptable , but outside their control .
Ever wondered where all the songbirds have gone ? Blame the farmer , blame johnny foreigner on the banks of the Mediterranean with his shotgun , even the EU referendum result but how many look at the family cat who has spent the night raiding the surrounding gardens ?
The whole planet is one massive feeding machine and will continue to be so long after we , as a species , have gone the way of the dinosaur .


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post Jun 11 2017, 02:30 PM
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One of the worst things was to ban local slaughter, animals now get packed into trucks in the most appalling conditions only to end their suffering all too often at the hands of some petty little sadist.
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post Jun 11 2017, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 11 2017, 03:27 PM) *
As far as the animal is concerned it matters not one jot who's name it is killed in , death is death . To place one furry creature in the "protect me " box whilst turning a blind eye to the welfare of his cousin seems a little hypocritical .
To answer those who think the farming community condones the barbarism of the halal slaughterhouse shows how out of touch with reality the average town dweller is . We breed animals for food because we are too damned lazy to go hunting . Vegetarians apart , we are omnivorous as a species and therefore require alarming quantities of protein in the form of meat . The quality of the finished article is directly proportional to the welfare it receives in it's live state and that is only achieved by selfish husbandry , which in turn demands an element of compassion . To then see their hard work simply suffer at the hands of those to ignorant to know different is plainly unacceptable , but outside their control .
Ever wondered where all the songbirds have gone ? Blame the farmer , blame johnny foreigner on the banks of the Mediterranean with his shotgun , even the EU referendum result but how many look at the family cat who has spent the night raiding the surrounding gardens ?
The whole planet is one massive feeding machine and will continue to be so long after we , as a species , have gone the way of the dinosaur .


Yeah but Cats are cute to the townie. And foxes.. No fooking clue. The lot. They all want to live in Corbynland. A fantasy land. He is a marxist. Always will be. If he gets in the Country will be like Zimbabwe within a few years.
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post Jun 11 2017, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 11 2017, 03:27 PM) *
As far as the animal is concerned it matters not one jot who's name it is killed in , death is death . To place one furry creature in the "protect me " box whilst turning a blind eye to the welfare of his cousin seems a little hypocritical .
To answer those who think the farming community condones the barbarism of the halal slaughterhouse shows how out of touch with reality the average town dweller is . We breed animals for food because we are too damned lazy to go hunting . Vegetarians apart , we are omnivorous as a species and therefore require alarming quantities of protein in the form of meat . The quality of the finished article is directly proportional to the welfare it receives in it's live state and that is only achieved by selfish husbandry , which in turn demands an element of compassion . To then see their hard work simply suffer at the hands of those to ignorant to know different is plainly unacceptable , but outside their control .
Ever wondered where all the songbirds have gone ? Blame the farmer , blame johnny foreigner on the banks of the Mediterranean with his shotgun , even the EU referendum result but how many look at the family cat who has spent the night raiding the surrounding gardens ?
The whole planet is one massive feeding machine and will continue to be so long after we , as a species , have gone the way of the dinosaur .



So then, this justifies cruelty when it is in their control.

I don't think we are too lazy to go hunting for food anymore than we are too lazy to build bourbon cars to go driving! In fact, probably a majority, have no big issue with anyone hunting for food. Just to spell it out, it's hunting for fun that's the issue.


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post Jun 11 2017, 02:43 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 03:38 PM) *
So then, this justifies cruelty when it is in their control.

I don't think we are too lazy to go hunting for food anymore than we are too lazy to build bourbon cars to go driving! In fact, probably a majority, have no big issue with anyone hunting for food. Just to spell it out, it's hunting for fun that's the issue.

What's a bourbon car? Sounds delicious, is it a special labour thing? Like "this lane reserved for bourbons only". What will the French say? So many questions, so few answers.
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post Jun 11 2017, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 11 2017, 03:43 PM) *
What's a bourbon car? Sounds delicious, is it a special labour thing? Like "this lane reserved for bourbons only". What will the French say? So many questions, so few answers.


Absolutley! Sadly a rather simple answer, just the wretched automatic checker coming up with 'bourbon' for 'our own'.

(I suppose it's a result of Tory cuts to our education system, degraded to the
point where US giant, Microsoft think we can't be trusted to write on our own! tongue.gif )


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post Jun 11 2017, 05:13 PM
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(I suppose it's a result of Tory cuts to our education system, degraded to the
point where US giant, Microsoft think we can't be trusted to write on our own! tongue.gif )
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Conspiracy theory leads one to conclude that if we educate the masses to a level that encompasses simple spelling then they are more likely to question such heady topics as :- why are politicians allowed to breed let alone run a Country ?


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post Jun 11 2017, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 11 2017, 06:13 PM) *
(I suppose it's a result of Tory cuts to our education system, degraded to the
point where US giant, Microsoft think we can't be trusted to write on our own! tongue.gif )



Conspiracy theory leads one to conclude that if we educate the masses to a level that encompasses simple spelling then they are more likely to question such heady topics as :- why are politicians allowed to breed let alone run a Country ?



Well, that might seem odd, but politicians don't run the Country. The country is actually run by the Prime Minister wholly on her own, helped only by stroppy PA and a Graduate researcher. Everything is her decision and responsibility, no one else is involved.

NOTE ironically, there have been a lot of media reports, including on the BBC where politicians, particularly sensible Tory ones' are saying this.



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post Jun 11 2017, 05:58 PM
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OTE is correct when he says that the issue is "hunting for fun".
Whether foxes or other wild animals need controlling is a separate issue.
To unearth and then pursue a wild animal to a horrible death in the name of "sport" in the supposedly enlightened 21st Century is unacceptable.
It's all about money and social climbing.
If you want to help to keep this barbaric practice banned (well illegal!)and to bring about further bans on other cruel "sports" look here.
I'll give you one pertinent quote from the site.....
"Foxes are also captured by hunts and kept in ‘artificial earths’ or disused buildings, so they can then be released in front of the hounds during the hunt. This proves that fox hunting is nothing to do with ‘fox control’ or ‘wildlife management’, as the hunts claim, and is purely about providing sport for the hunters."
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post Jun 11 2017, 06:30 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 06:56 PM) *
Well, that might seem odd, but politicians don't run the Country. The country is actually run by the Prime Minister wholly on her own, helped only by stroppy PA and a Graduate researcher. Everything is her decision and responsibility, no one else is involved.

NOTE ironically, there have been a lot of media reports, including on the BBC where politicians, particularly sensible Tory ones' are saying this.


I stand corrected . One learns something new on an almost daily basis . Thank you for the enlightenment .


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post Jun 11 2017, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 03:38 PM) *
So then, this justifies cruelty when it is in their control.

I don't think we are too lazy to go hunting for food anymore than we are too lazy to build bourbon cars to go driving! In fact, probably a majority, have no big issue with anyone hunting for food. Just to spell it out, it's hunting for fun that's the issue.

The image of a bunch of West Berkshire's finest floundering around a muddy field, armed, scratching​ their heads and wondering when the pizza season started is somehow appealing and worrying at one and the same time. 🤣
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post Jun 11 2017, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 11 2017, 07:30 PM) *
I stand corrected . One learns something new on an almost daily basis . Thank you for the enlightenment .


Yes, I think we've all learned something about the state of the governing political party at the moment, but that's exactly as its being portrayed.

It beggars belief that this large group of apparently intelligent and assertive individuals could have idly stood by and watched this preventable disaster, certainly for the Country, happen.

So, given this, does anyone still believe these unprincpled, self centred, graspers are fit to run the Country anyway?



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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 09:24 PM) *
Yes, I think we've all learned something about the state of the governing political party at the moment, but that's exactly as its being portrayed.

It beggars belief that this large group of apparently intelligent and assertive individuals could have idly stood by and watched this preventable disaster, certainly for the Country, happen.

So, given this, does anyone still believe these unprincpled, self centred, graspers are fit to run the Country anyway?

Who? Labour? Deffo not.
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 11 2017, 09:51 PM) *
Who? Labour? Deffo not.


No dearest, all those TORY MPs coming forward saying Mrs May 'did it all on her own' she simply wouldn't listen to any of them.....in other words, not a lot of point in them even being there at all.


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post Jun 12 2017, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 11 2017, 09:24 PM) *
Yes, I think we've all learned something about the state of the governing political party at the moment, but that's exactly as its being portrayed.

It beggars belief that this large group of apparently intelligent and assertive individuals could have idly stood by and watched this preventable disaster, certainly for the Country, happen.

So, given this, does anyone still believe these unprincpled, self centred, graspers are fit to run the Country anyway?


How long has it taken you to reach this conclusion ? Anyone who is arrogant enough to stand for election should be prevented doing so on the grounds of questionable mentality .
The "alternative" though is even worse .
1 President May / Corbyn / Other ?
2. King / Queen having absolute power .
3 Military Junta .
4 Angela Merkel .
5. ISIS
6.Me
7.Other.
My problem is not the competence of those who court our support but the sycophantic grovelling of their respective supporters who wrap themselves round the leg of the top table in order to receive a crumb of acknowledgement and so keep them in power .
The Greeks tried democracy and chucked it in the bin after a couple of years because it didn't work . The problem is no one , even after 3,000 years ,has developed a viable alternative .


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