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Posted by: newres Nov 14 2016, 06:18 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37978582

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 14 2016, 09:02 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 14 2016, 06:18 PM) *
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37978582


White extremist kills liberal politician.
We all know that. You dont have to buy tabloid garbage.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 14 2016, 10:13 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 14 2016, 07:18 PM) *
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37978582

We knew that at the time, you're not revealing any mystery's of the universe there old son.

Posted by: newres Nov 14 2016, 10:18 PM

QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 14 2016, 10:13 PM) *
We knew that at the time, you're not revealing any mystery's of the universe there old son.

Knew what? That the press have double standards?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 14 2016, 10:23 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 14 2016, 10:18 PM) *
Knew what? That the press have double standards?


Yep. Juat like the evening standard and the guardian.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 14 2016, 10:58 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 14 2016, 11:18 PM) *
Knew what? That the press have double standards?

Of course they do old boy, they're the press!

Posted by: JeffG Nov 15 2016, 09:43 AM

QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 14 2016, 09:02 PM) *
White extremist kills liberal politician.
We all know that. You dont have to buy tabloid garbage.

She was Labour, not Liberal. Lower-case "liberal" is creeping into this forum used as a pejorative, just as the right do in the USA.

Posted by: dannyboy Nov 15 2016, 11:39 AM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Nov 15 2016, 09:43 AM) *
She was Labour, not Liberal. Lower-case "liberal" is creeping into this forum used as a pejorative, just as the right do in the USA.


I'm sure TDH knows that.

Posted by: On the edge Nov 15 2016, 12:35 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Nov 15 2016, 09:43 AM) *
She was Labour, not Liberal. Lower-case "liberal" is creeping into this forum used as a pejorative, just as the right do in the USA.


Yes, it's quite weird really. To me, liberal means Cobden and Bright, the stuff of Mrs Thatcher, that is 'small government'. Whereas stateside and increasingly over here, liberal has come to mean quite the reverse, 'big government' nanny knows best and everyone has an allocated social worker. I'm an old fashioned liberal!

Posted by: JeffG Nov 15 2016, 12:57 PM

QUOTE (dannyboy @ Nov 15 2016, 11:39 AM) *
I'm sure TDH knows that.

Whether he does or not is hardly relevant: I was making a point about the use of the word.

Posted by: dannyboy Nov 15 2016, 01:18 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Nov 15 2016, 12:57 PM) *
Whether he does or not is hardly relevant: I was making a point about the use of the word.



Me too - I'm saying TDH purposely used the word for the very reason you indicated.



Posted by: Andy Capp Nov 15 2016, 01:44 PM

If Wiki is right:

liberal
ˈlɪb(ə)r(ə)l
adjective
1. willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
"liberal views towards divorce"

2. (of education) concerned with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
"the provision of liberal adult education"

synonyms: wide-ranging, broad-based, general, humanistic "the provision of liberal adult education"

noun
1. a person of liberal views.
"a concern among liberals about the relation of the citizen to the state"


Then count me in; however, I find 'political' Liberals - the 'tree-hugging girls' blouses' - are far from accepting of behaviour or opinions different from their own and can be every bit as narrow-minded in outlook as the 'temple-bursting swivel-eyed'.

Posted by: On the edge Nov 15 2016, 05:05 PM

QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 15 2016, 01:44 PM) *
If Wiki is right:

liberal
ˈlɪb(ə)r(ə)l
adjective
1. willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
"liberal views towards divorce"

2. (of education) concerned with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
"the provision of liberal adult education"

synonyms: wide-ranging, broad-based, general, humanistic "the provision of liberal adult education"

noun
1. a person of liberal views.
"a concern among liberals about the relation of the citizen to the state"


Then count me in; however, I find 'political' Liberals - the 'tree-hugging girls' blouses' - are far from accepting of behaviour or opinions different from their own and can be every bit as narrow-minded in outlook as the 'temple-bursting swivel-eyed'.


Quite so. Indeed recent events seem to demonstrate that the term Liberal Democrat is an oxymoron.

Posted by: user23 Nov 15 2016, 05:07 PM

Liberal seems to be used to mean Left-Wing quite a lot these days, but as OTE says it's possible to be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_conservatism.

Posted by: newres Nov 15 2016, 06:31 PM

QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 15 2016, 05:05 PM) *
Quite so. Indeed recent events seem to demonstrate that the term Liberal Democrat is an oxymoron.

I think the issue here is that liberal minded people have a strong suspicion that some opinions of others and their votes are based upon greed and prejudice. See the other thread where someone suggests that if a refugee from a war zone crosses a border after reaching a "safe" country, they are no longer refugees and become economic migrants and therefore presumably not deserving of assistance. We saw Farage using race in the EU vote and Donald Trump doing the same. They aren't creating opinion - they are being populist. People like Trump and Farage are very divisive.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 15 2016, 07:32 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 15 2016, 07:31 PM) *
I think the issue here is that liberal minded people have a strong suspicion that some opinions of others and their votes are based upon greed and prejudice. See the other thread where someone suggests that if a refugee from a war zone crosses a border after reaching a "safe" country, they are no longer refugees and become economic migrants and therefore presumably not deserving of assistance. We saw Farage using race in the EU vote and Donald Trump doing the same. They aren't creating opinion - they are being populist. People like Trump and Farage are very divisive.

If you had bothered to read it you would have seen the quotation marks. Means it's a quote. From the guardian

Still. Don't let facts stop you.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 15 2016, 07:32 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 15 2016, 07:31 PM) *
I think the issue here is that liberal minded people have a strong suspicion that some opinions of others and their votes are based upon greed and prejudice. See the other thread where someone suggests that if a refugee from a war zone crosses a border after reaching a "safe" country, they are no longer refugees and become economic migrants and therefore presumably not deserving of assistance. We saw Farage using race in the EU vote and Donald Trump doing the same. They aren't creating opinion - they are being populist. People like Trump and Farage are very divisive.

If you had bothered to read it you would have seen the quotation marks. Means it's a quote. From the guardian

Still. Don't let facts stop you.

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 15 2016, 07:33 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 15 2016, 06:31 PM) *
I think the issue here is that liberal minded people have a strong suspicion that some opinions of others and their votes are based upon greed and prejudice. See the other thread where someone suggests that if a refugee from a war zone crosses a border after reaching a "safe" country, they are no longer refugees and become economic migrants and therefore presumably not deserving of assistance. We saw Farage using race in the EU vote and Donald Trump doing the same. They aren't creating opinion - they are being populist. People like Trump and Farage are very divisive.


And increasingly it seems "popular". Also can you define what a safe and war torn country is? A lot of it is defined by what is reported on by the broadcasting authorities and press. Some parts of some Countries may be perfectly safe whereas other parts are desperate and war torn. How do you tell? I'm not saying it is easy but as I am sure you will agree some will take advantage...

Posted by: user23 Nov 15 2016, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 15 2016, 06:31 PM) *
I think the issue here is that liberal minded people have a strong suspicion that some opinions of others and their votes are based upon greed and prejudice.
Do they?

Posted by: TallDarkAndHandsome Nov 15 2016, 07:43 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 15 2016, 07:41 PM) *
Do they?

newes does.

Posted by: Turin Machine Nov 15 2016, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (JeffG @ Nov 15 2016, 01:57 PM) *
Whether he does or not is hardly relevant: I was making a point about the use of the word.

As opposed to the use of "swivel eyed loon" which apparently isn't worth him worrying about.

Posted by: newres Nov 15 2016, 08:32 PM

QUOTE (user23 @ Nov 15 2016, 07:41 PM) *
Do they?

Well certainly some do.

Posted by: user23 Nov 15 2016, 08:41 PM

QUOTE (newres @ Nov 15 2016, 08:32 PM) *
Well certainly some do.
And some don't.

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