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post Jun 15 2017, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 15 2017, 07:45 PM) *
Rolling in it doesn't mean it is spent wisely; however, whether or not it is because of social neglect, the fact remains she will be feeling contrite right now. I see she was too scared to meet residents today.

So it does compute.


Just give everyone a 5 bedroom house, wherever they want ro live. Simples. Surprised JC hasn't promised it... Yet..
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post Jun 15 2017, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 15 2017, 07:48 PM) *
Just give everyone a 5 bedroom house, wherever they want ro live. Simples. Surprised JC hasn't promised it... Yet..

Perhaps we could see money spent on things that can protect people from dangerous environments first.
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post Jun 15 2017, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 15 2017, 07:45 PM) *
Rolling in it doesn't mean it is spent wisely; however, whether or not it is because of social neglect, the fact remains she will be feeling contrite right now. I see she was too scared to meet residents today.

So it does compute.


Sadly, as you say, indeed it does compute.


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post Jun 15 2017, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 15 2017, 08:40 PM) *
Perhaps we could see money spent on things that can protect people from dangerous environments first.

Like wat elf and safety offer up ? Wonder how much tax payers loose change has gone on building regulations ? All very well promising us baskets of goodies in exchange for our patronage, but how about ensuring that the Country is fit to live in . Maybe this will act as a kick in the backside to all of those in power to put aside their political differences to act for the common good .


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post Jun 15 2017, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 15 2017, 08:40 PM) *
Perhaps we could see money spent on things that can protect people from dangerous environments first.


Would you support the demolition of all these 70s tower blocks?
I agree that they are dangerous eyesores. Where would you put the thousands of people though? They would have to be relocated from places like Kensington and they would resist. Not that I blame them for that. It is home to them. I don't have an answer and I doubt even JC does unlesss he landgrabs from the rich.
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post Jun 15 2017, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 15 2017, 09:24 PM) *
Would you support the demolition of all these 70s tower blocks?
I agree that they are dangerous eyesores. Where would you put the thousands of people though? They would have to be relocated from places like Kensington and they would resist. Not that I blame them for that. It is home to them. I don't have an answer and I doubt even JC does unlesss he landgrabs from the rich.

Dangerous yes, but eyesore is a trivial concern. It is too early to say, but it looks like people needn't have died for the sake of poor building control and regulations. If the reports are true, it seems fire alarms didn't work and an inferior building material was used; however, we will need to wait for the report.

In a country like this I find it incredible something like this can happen. It's third world stuff.
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post Jun 15 2017, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 15 2017, 09:24 PM) *
Would you support the demolition of all these 70s tower blocks?
I agree that they are dangerous eyesores. Where would you put the thousands of people though? They would have to be relocated from places like Kensington and they would resist. Not that I blame them for that. It is home to them. I don't have an answer and I doubt even JC does unlesss he landgrabs from the rich.


The issue comes down to competence and good stewardship.

There is probably very little wrong with those tower blocks which were thoroughly structurally checked after the Rowan Point disaster. So we need to await the outcome of the enquiry as to the subsequent failure. High rise got a very bad name because the local government housing maintenance management of the time was appalling. Failing to keep common areas clean and tidy, failing basic common area maintenance such as lighting and lifts, failing to properly manage bad tenants on and on endlessly. Ironically bad practices exacerbated by cuts carried out by Tory controlled councils even back then. High risers in private or better condominium type management are actually much sought after.

I am fearful we are going to find that building control relaxations and standards reductions made in the name of increased efficiency and economy is likely to have caused the problem. An exactly similar situation to the dreadful safety lapses the railways got into after privatisation caused such a muddle.


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post Jun 15 2017, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 15 2017, 10:49 PM) *
Dangerous yes, but eyesore is a trivial concern. It is too early to say, but it looks like people needn't have died for the sake of poor building control and regulations.


100+ people by all accounts. Why not be truthful? If people lived there and have not been seen since then they are gone. Landlords should NOT be voting on any laws in parliament to do with building or fire regulations in Parliament. Conflict of interest. Would not be allowed in the Corporate world. Change is needed. But blame of individuals is dangerous. People are looking for individuals to take anger out on. It's the system that is broken. Fix that first and then look to see if any blame should be assigned.
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post Jun 15 2017, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 15 2017, 07:45 PM) *
Rolling in it doesn't mean it is spent wisely; however, whether or not it is because of social neglect, the fact remains she will be feeling contrite right now. I see she was too scared to meet residents today.

So it does compute.

So, A, you 'just know' how she's feeling, and B, she didn't want a media scrum, you know? Show respect? Something the corduroy clown doesn't understand.
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post Jun 15 2017, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2017, 12:23 AM) *
So, A, you 'just know' how she's feeling, and B, she didn't want a media scrum, you know? Show respect? Something the corduroy clown doesn't understand.

It's nothing to do with what she is feeling. If she wants to be a leader, she has to be prepared to do the hard stuff. Swingeing cuts are easy, facing the public isn't. Shes not fit to be prime minister; she's got to go before she can do any more damage.
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post Jun 15 2017, 11:38 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 15 2017, 11:00 PM) *
I am fearful we are going to find that building control relaxations and standards reductions made in the name of increased efficiency and economy is likely to have caused the problem. An exactly similar situation to the dreadful safety lapses the railways got into after privatisation caused such a muddle.

And the banking system.
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post Jun 15 2017, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 15 2017, 11:05 PM) *
100+ people by all accounts. Why not be truthful? If people lived there and have not been seen since then they are gone. Landlords should NOT be voting on any laws in parliament to do with building or fire regulations in Parliament. Conflict of interest. Would not be allowed in the Corporate world. Change is needed. But blame of individuals is dangerous. People are looking for individuals to take anger out on. It's the system that is broken. Fix that first and then look to see if any blame should be assigned.

Agreed. It is too early to say too much, but a 20 story roman candle in the middle of London in the 21stC is incredible. It just shows how quick we have fallen.

Despite what it might look like, I don't blame Blair, Brown, Cameron/Clegg or May; I blame you and me.


We are seriously turning into a shoite country and Tory vanity is accelerating things.
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post Jun 15 2017, 11:55 PM
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And the banking system.

And Brexit!
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post Jun 15 2017, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 16 2017, 12:40 AM) *
Agreed. It is too early to say too much, but a 20 story roman candle in the middle of London in the 21stC is incredible. It just shows how quick we have fallen.

Despite what is might look like, I don't blame Blair, Brown, Cameron/Clegg or May; I blame you and me.


We are seriously turning into a shoite country and Tory vanity is accelerating things.

And Brexit!
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post Jun 16 2017, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2017, 12:56 AM) *
And Brexit!

Fark the EU, this happened on their watch too, but I don't see anything getting better while we have a parliament like the one we have at the moment.
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post Jun 16 2017, 05:14 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 16 2017, 12:23 AM) *
So, A, you 'just know' how she's feeling, and B, she didn't want a media scrum, you know? Show respect? Something the corduroy clown doesn't understand.

How is avoiding the victims showing respect? She's inept. Jeremy Corbyn has never been afraid of people. As time goes on the worse he makes May look.
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post Jun 16 2017, 06:36 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 15 2017, 11:05 PM) *
100+ people by all accounts. Why not be truthful? If people lived there and have not been seen since then they are gone. Landlords should NOT be voting on any laws in parliament to do with building or fire regulations in Parliament. Conflict of interest. Would not be allowed in the Corporate world. Change is needed. But blame of individuals is dangerous. People are looking for individuals to take anger out on. It's the system that is broken. Fix that first and then look to see if any blame should be assigned.


That's just the point, this conflict of interest is exactly what the corporate world is all about today. Before the Tory 'greed is good' became the mantra we started to live by. Andy Capp is right when he says we are to blame here.


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post Jun 16 2017, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 15 2017, 09:24 PM) *
Would you support the demolition of all these 70s tower blocks?
I agree that they are dangerous eyesores. Where would you put the thousands of people though? They would have to be relocated from places like Kensington and they would resist. Not that I blame them for that. It is home to them. I don't have an answer and I doubt even JC does unlesss he landgrabs from the rich.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40285994

He's nicked my idea... ohmy.gif
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post Jun 16 2017, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 16 2017, 06:14 AM) *
How is avoiding the victims showing respect? She's inept. Jeremy Corbyn has never been afraid of people. As time goes on the worse he makes May look.


He'll be afraid of the people soon enough if he gets the top job.
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post Jun 16 2017, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 15 2017, 02:07 PM) *
A bit like today, may visits a disaster scene I private, no camera no media, JC arrived with retinue, full on media scrum, full exposure. "Ooh, a disaster, time to win some political advantage, Diane! Round up the posse!"


And boy did that blow up in her face -- but she made sure there were plenty of media when she went to the hospital to visit the injured!

She constantly messes up the PR, she and her advisors are hopeless - she spends far too much time avoiding contat with the uncontrolled public, makes it look as if she's scared. Whereas Corbyn is at his best in such an environment.
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