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je suis Charlie
post Jun 4 2017, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 4 2017, 07:34 PM) *
I'd start with anyone practicing shariah. Thats normally a good indicator. Oh and those holding up placards with things like "death to the infidels" and "make London Londonistan" Also anyone returning from a "holiday" to places like Somalia, Libya, or an extended trip to Turkey. Oh and yes profiling works.

Then Id insist on CCTV and sound in all the mosques.

It may impinge on freedoms but its a small price to pay.

On the basis of if they've nothing to hide, then, why not?
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post Jun 4 2017, 06:55 PM
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On the basis of if they've nothing to hide, then, why not?


More than happy to have it in Churches as well just in case a few old biddies are planning some atrocity.
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post Jun 4 2017, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 4 2017, 07:34 PM) *
I'd start with anyone practicing shariah. Thats normally a good indicator. Oh and those holding up placards with things like "death to the infidels" and "make London Londonistan" Also anyone returning from a "holiday" to places like Somalia, Libya, or an extended trip to Turkey. Oh and yes profiling works.

Then Id insist on CCTV and sound in all the mosques.

It may impinge on freedoms but its a small price to pay.


Can't we delete 'extended' from the Turkey requirement? I'd also round up anyone who looks as if they come from these places; even just for questioning. Easy pickings, just stand outside RBH staff entrance....


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post Jun 4 2017, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 4 2017, 07:34 PM) *
I'd start with anyone practicing shariah. Thats normally a good indicator. Oh and those holding up placards with things like "death to the infidels" and "make London Londonistan" Also anyone returning from a "holiday" to places like Somalia, Libya, or an extended trip to Turkey. Oh and yes profiling works.

Then Id insist on CCTV and sound in all the mosques.

It may impinge on freedoms but its a small price to pay.


So what you are suggesting is round up all Muslims, is that a correct interpretation?

And how do you know someone has been on holiday in those countries you have listed if they first go to another country and then back to another EUropean country before coming back to Britain?

I am not disagreeing with the idea of rounding up terrorists but trying to demonstrate it is not quite as easy as you are implying. If you can demonstrate just how easy it is I feel sure the security services, police and the General public at large will be very grateful indeed.


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post Jun 4 2017, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Jun 4 2017, 08:42 PM) *
So what you are suggesting is round up all Muslims, is that a correct interpretation?

And how do you know someone has been on holiday in those countries you have listed if they first go to another country and then back to another EUropean country before coming back to Britain?

I am not disagreeing with the idea of rounding up terrorists but trying to demonstrate it is not quite as easy as you are implying. If you can demonstrate just how easy it is I feel sure the security services, police and the General public at large will be very grateful indeed.


Where have I said all Muslims? You said that.
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post Jun 4 2017, 08:09 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 4 2017, 08:52 PM) *
Where have I said all Muslims? You said that.


Read my last post again!

That was how I interpreted your reply, hence the "is that correct" which is why I asked you to clarify?

Do try to answer the queries given rather than try to obfuscate with a non answer.

All I am trying to elucidate is how do you identify and round up those who you think will be going to commit these terrible types of atrocities. If you can demonstrate how to do this you will have my full backing plus the gratitude of most Britain's.


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post Jun 4 2017, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Jun 4 2017, 09:09 PM) *
Read my last post again!

That was how I interpreted your reply, hence the "is that correct" which is why I asked you to clarify?

Do try to answer the queries given rather than try to obfuscate with a non answer.

All I am trying to elucidate is how do you identify and round up those who you think will be going to commit these terrible types of atrocities. If you can demonstrate how to do this you will have my full backing plus the gratitude of most Britain's.


Go hug a terrorist. I have already suggested ways. You chose to ignore them. Cos it suits your agenda. You can come back again if you like as I know you have to have the last word. The pub bore.
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post Jun 5 2017, 05:27 AM
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Go hug a terrorist. I have already suggested ways. You chose to ignore them. Cos it suits your agenda. You can come back again if you like as I know you have to have the last word. The pub bore.

As opposed to the forum bore.
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post Jun 5 2017, 06:14 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 4 2017, 09:20 PM) *
Go hug a terrorist. I have already suggested ways. You chose to ignore them. Cos it suits your agenda. You can come back again if you like as I know you have to have the last word. The pub bore.


You have failed to suggest ways to identify future terrorists and just resort to insults as usual.
I even agreed to round up these terrorists with you if you were able to explain how to identify them. You completely failed to do so.
You insult the security services and police by suggesting they have failed in their duties by not rounding up these terrorists as you imply it is very easy to identify them before they committed these atrocities.

Unless these individuals make clear and dangerous threats, and of course not many are going to do that, I certainly would not be able to detect one walking through any of our town's and cities.

If you have a system to detect them then please get in touch with the security services as they need as much assistance as possible instead of your implying they have failed in your eyes by not rounding them up.



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post Jun 5 2017, 06:21 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 4 2017, 09:20 PM) *
Go hug a terrorist. I have already suggested ways. You chose to ignore them. Cos it suits your agenda. You can come back again if you like as I know you have to have the last word. The pub bore.


Yep, Cognosco is wholly 'on side'. All he wants to know is how we can do it with one added word, successfully. Yes, you have suggested ways, but they've all been tried in various places before and simply don't work. Those solutions are like saying the common cold can be easily cured, if the sufferer simply drinks bleach.


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post Jun 5 2017, 08:10 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 5 2017, 07:21 AM) *
Yep, Cognosco is wholly 'on side'. All he wants to know is how we can do it with one added word, successfully. Yes, you have suggested ways, but they've all been tried in various places before and simply don't work. Those solutions are like saying the common cold can be easily cured, if the sufferer simply drinks bleach.

Well, you can always console yourselves with the thought that if hug a Jihadist don't work you can always defend your family and friends by waving a unicorn horn at them. That'll work. Personally I think I spot a new opportunity, I'm looking to invest in a company that makes body bags. Gotta be a winner.
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post Jun 5 2017, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 5 2017, 09:10 AM) *
Well, you can always console yourselves with the thought that if hug a Jihadist don't work you can always defend your family and friends by waving a unicorn horn at them. That'll work. Personally I think I spot a new opportunity, I'm looking to invest in a company that makes body bags. Gotta be a winner.


So, then, what's your answer, or hasn't the Mail got round to telling you what to say yet?
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post Jun 5 2017, 08:37 AM
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Your next PM.
"Throughout the Eighties and Nineties, Corbyn and McDonnell were the IRA's most vigorous allies in Westminster, attending the annual gathering of the Wolfe Tone Society, an organisation which honours dead IRA members and imprisoned volunteers. The event's 1986 programme declared: 'Force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united socialist Ireland.'
IRA man Patrick Magee was in 1986 convicted at the Old Bailey of murdering five people in the Brighton bombing. Corbyn was arrested for staging a protest outside against the strip-searching of the killer's co-defendants."
"At an Irish Republican event in 1987, Corbyn took part in a minute's silence to commemorate eight IRA men shot dead by the SAS as they travelled to attack a police station in County Armagh. 'I'm happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland,' he said.
Corbyn appointed as research assistant, Ronan Bennett, a suspected IRA man who'd served 13 months in prison for fatally shooting a policeman in the chest (his conviction was overturned on appeal). Unsurprisingly, Bennett was banned from the Commons — a decision described by Corbyn as 'a disgraceful attack and character assassination of an innocent man'."

During the 2015 Labour leadership election, Corbyn was repeatedly asked whether he condemned murders by the IRA but refused to answer, saying only: 'I condemn what was done by the British Army as well as the other sides.'
"Last month, on a Sunday morning TV interview, Corbyn was asked five times to 'unequivocally condemn' the IRA. Five times he declined."
The other one.
Diane Abbott endorsed the IRA in an interview with pro-Republican journal Labour And Ireland in 1984, saying: 'Every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.' Challenged last week, she said she no longer had the same views, 33 years on.
After the Brighton Bomb, in which the IRA murdered five people, London Labour Briefing published a reader's letter stating: 'What do you call four dead Tories? A start!' Next to a picture of Lord Tebbit, who was seriously hurt (and whose wife would be wheelchair-bound for life) it added: 'Try riding your bike now, Norman!'
Weeks after the Brighton attack, Corbyn invited two IRA terrorists to the Commons for a PR stunt where they 'protested about strip-searches in Northern Ireland's prisons'.

"Less than a month after becoming an MP in 1983, Corbyn 'organised a Commons visit and meeting' for Gerry Adams.
Gerry Adams spoke in Corbyn's constituency in 1987, asking the Labour Party to formally endorse his cause. His remarks were 'given a standing ovation' by Corbyn.
A few weeks after the IRA's 1996 bombing of Manchester which caused massive devastation, Corbyn agreed to host the launch of Adams's autobiography in the Commons. The book included an account (allegedly fictional) of killing a British soldier, plus a passage in which Adams declared: 'It might, or might not, be right to kill, but sometimes it is necessary.' The event was cancelled after the then Labour leader Tony Blair threatened to kick Corbyn out of the Labour Party."

During a 1988 ceremony to commemorate the death of the IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, Corbyn criticised the Anglo-Irish Agreement, precursor to the Peace Process, declaring: 'It strengthens rather than weakens the border… and those of us who wish to see a united Ireland oppose the agreement for that reason.'
John McDonnell attempted to derail pre-Good Friday Agreement negotiations for a new power-sharing assembly in the late Nineties, telling the IRA's official newspaper, An Phoblacht: 'An assembly is not what people have laid down their lives for over 30 years.'
Corbyn has opposed at least 13 Prevention of Terrorism bills. In Socialist Campaign Group News, he has said he regularly hosts meetings by 'international solidarity groups' at which 'many express sympathy for armed insurrection'. Corbyn asked: 'Are they, or those attending, to be criminalised?'
Months before 9/11, Diane Abbott voted against a bill to proscribe al-Qaeda as a terrorist organisation. This was one of 30 occasions when she opposed anti-terror legislation. Last month, she refused to apologise, saying the bill would have wrongly banned a number of 'dissident' groups, too.
In 2009, Corbyn called for Hamas to be taken off the terror list, telling Al Jazeera: 'Contacts with Hamas by politicians are increasing day after day. All want to find a peaceful solution to the problem.'
Following the terror attacks in Paris in 2015, Corbyn said he opposed police being allowed to shoot terror suspects, saying he's 'not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in general'.


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post Jun 5 2017, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 5 2017, 09:37 AM) *
Your next PM.
"Throughout the Eighties and Nineties, Corbyn and McDonnell were the IRA's most vigorous allies in Westminster, attending the annual gathering of the Wolfe Tone Society, an organisation which honours dead IRA members and imprisoned volunteers. The event's 1986 programme declared: 'Force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united socialist Ireland.'
IRA man Patrick Magee was in 1986 convicted at the Old Bailey of murdering five people in the Brighton bombing. Corbyn was arrested for staging a protest outside against the strip-searching of the killer's co-defendants."
"At an Irish Republican event in 1987, Corbyn took part in a minute's silence to commemorate eight IRA men shot dead by the SAS as they travelled to attack a police station in County Armagh. 'I'm happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland,' he said.
Corbyn appointed as research assistant, Ronan Bennett, a suspected IRA man who'd served 13 months in prison for fatally shooting a policeman in the chest (his conviction was overturned on appeal). Unsurprisingly, Bennett was banned from the Commons — a decision described by Corbyn as 'a disgraceful attack and character assassination of an innocent man'."

During the 2015 Labour leadership election, Corbyn was repeatedly asked whether he condemned murders by the IRA but refused to answer, saying only: 'I condemn what was done by the British Army as well as the other sides.'
"Last month, on a Sunday morning TV interview, Corbyn was asked five times to 'unequivocally condemn' the IRA. Five times he declined."
The other one.
Diane Abbott endorsed the IRA in an interview with pro-Republican journal Labour And Ireland in 1984, saying: 'Every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.' Challenged last week, she said she no longer had the same views, 33 years on.
After the Brighton Bomb, in which the IRA murdered five people, London Labour Briefing published a reader's letter stating: 'What do you call four dead Tories? A start!' Next to a picture of Lord Tebbit, who was seriously hurt (and whose wife would be wheelchair-bound for life) it added: 'Try riding your bike now, Norman!'
Weeks after the Brighton attack, Corbyn invited two IRA terrorists to the Commons for a PR stunt where they 'protested about strip-searches in Northern Ireland's prisons'.

"Less than a month after becoming an MP in 1983, Corbyn 'organised a Commons visit and meeting' for Gerry Adams.
Gerry Adams spoke in Corbyn's constituency in 1987, asking the Labour Party to formally endorse his cause. His remarks were 'given a standing ovation' by Corbyn.
A few weeks after the IRA's 1996 bombing of Manchester which caused massive devastation, Corbyn agreed to host the launch of Adams's autobiography in the Commons. The book included an account (allegedly fictional) of killing a British soldier, plus a passage in which Adams declared: 'It might, or might not, be right to kill, but sometimes it is necessary.' The event was cancelled after the then Labour leader Tony Blair threatened to kick Corbyn out of the Labour Party."

During a 1988 ceremony to commemorate the death of the IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands, Corbyn criticised the Anglo-Irish Agreement, precursor to the Peace Process, declaring: 'It strengthens rather than weakens the border… and those of us who wish to see a united Ireland oppose the agreement for that reason.'
John McDonnell attempted to derail pre-Good Friday Agreement negotiations for a new power-sharing assembly in the late Nineties, telling the IRA's official newspaper, An Phoblacht: 'An assembly is not what people have laid down their lives for over 30 years.'
Corbyn has opposed at least 13 Prevention of Terrorism bills. In Socialist Campaign Group News, he has said he regularly hosts meetings by 'international solidarity groups' at which 'many express sympathy for armed insurrection'. Corbyn asked: 'Are they, or those attending, to be criminalised?'
Months before 9/11, Diane Abbott voted against a bill to proscribe al-Qaeda as a terrorist organisation. This was one of 30 occasions when she opposed anti-terror legislation. Last month, she refused to apologise, saying the bill would have wrongly banned a number of 'dissident' groups, too.
In 2009, Corbyn called for Hamas to be taken off the terror list, telling Al Jazeera: 'Contacts with Hamas by politicians are increasing day after day. All want to find a peaceful solution to the problem.'
Following the terror attacks in Paris in 2015, Corbyn said he opposed police being allowed to shoot terror suspects, saying he's 'not happy with the shoot-to-kill policy in general'.


Gosh! Didn't expect the bile tank pumped; hit the wrong button there.

All we added was how you do identify them? Not anything else, simply how do you identify them? In spite of all those words, still no answer and Google still can't think!


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post Jun 5 2017, 12:02 PM
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Let's not mention Maria Gatland and also the arms to Saudi Arabia and Iraq of course.
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 5 2017, 01:02 PM) *
Let's not mention Maria Gatland and also the arms to Saudi Arabia and Iraq of course.

Did the arms industry suddenly spring into existence during a Tory government? Are you sure?
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post Jun 5 2017, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 5 2017, 12:30 PM) *
Gosh! Didn't expect the bile tank pumped; hit the wrong button there.

All we added was how you do identify them? Not anything else, simply how do you identify them? In spite of all those words, still no answer and Google still can't think!

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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 5 2017, 01:02 PM) *
Let's not mention Maria Gatland and also the arms to Saudi Arabia and Iraq of course.

You might find some research regarding Labours selling of arms to Indonesia interesting. A conflict some still regard as a Holocaust.
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 5 2017, 02:05 PM) *
You might find some research regarding Labours selling of arms to Indonesia interesting. A conflict some still regard as a Holocaust.

And should we forever make the same mistakes, or should we stop profiting from war and instead look to resolve conflict where we can?


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