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post May 11 2017, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 11 2017, 08:19 PM) *
Yep, I enjoy my job, and have reached the stage where it's almost a hobby. So, perhaps a touch of sage advice. Put it this way, I worked somewhere we changed from ICL mainframes as did many others. VME, like OS.2, they comes they goes. Some kept upgrading their skills; meant leaving the workbench now and again. Then there is the other issue; loss of concentration and effectiveness after sustained long hours. Ironically, even accountants worry about colleagues working very long hours. All the time your employers don't worry about quality or security you haven't got a problem. In my line of business, it's critical; they want to keep customers.


May I auggest you retire then and give your job to someone who wont consider it a hobby. Judging by the technology you were using back in the day it must be pretty close anyway.🐢
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post May 11 2017, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 11 2017, 01:11 PM) *
That is a vote for Tory in practical terms. Tories will want people not to turn-up, unless it is for them, but I agree there is not a preferred candidate or party.

I think all parties subscribe to that view.
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post May 11 2017, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 11 2017, 08:31 PM) *
May I auggest you retire then and give your job to someone who wont consider it a hobby. Judging by the technology you were using back in the day it must be pretty close anyway.��


Your enthusiasm and commitment are laudable, but why the hours; what are you so afraid of? Even if you discount the professional downside; surely there is more to your life than just work. I've clearly touched a raw nerve, sorry.

(Hobby was perhaps the wrong word in this conversation, for a better descriptor look at the top of Maslows pyramid)


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post May 11 2017, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ May 11 2017, 08:35 PM) *
I think all parties subscribe to that view.

Not necessarily as it is conditional. If I were Labour in West Berks, I'd hope people would vote Lib Dem.
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post May 11 2017, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 11 2017, 09:27 PM) *
Not necessarily as it is conditional. If I were Labour in West Berks, I'd hope people would vote Lib Dem.


I suppose that's logical if you think they have even a gnat's chance of defeating RB. Trouble is, they are throwing all they've got at it and as our country Cousins believe they'll bring back hunting, RB is here to stay. So, as the opportunity to de seat isn't there, I'd rather point out to the local establishment that Liberal Democracy isn't the alternative.


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post May 11 2017, 11:55 PM
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Jeremy Corbyn = weapons grade disaster.


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post May 12 2017, 05:21 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 12 2017, 12:55 AM) *
Jeremy Corbyn = weapons grade disaster.

La La land. I want a unicorn and a dragon. And im going on strike unless it is provided.Why not aim a bit higher? I suggest some deep space mining and the exploration and colonization of planets in another dimension. Oh and every one has a human right to win 20 million on the lottery.
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post May 12 2017, 06:10 AM
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Interesting stuff! Anyone care to say what they think is so bad about any item on the Labour manifesto, then we might be getting somewhere. The media are suggesting Labour want to take us back to the 1970's quite forgetting the Tories want to go further and take us back to the 1870s.


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post May 12 2017, 07:23 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ May 10 2017, 07:55 PM) *
I voted Lib Dem when Rendel last stood in Newbury on this single issue - I always admired that he made such a definite anti-hunting stand in a constituency where that was obviously going to cost him votes. For me it's just another reason why I'm voting Labour.

No sugar Sherlock, you're a labour activist who floods every thread here in the forum and every story in the main part of the website with leftist drivel, whenever there's a hint of Council or Government involvement, and from memory even on threads and stories that have no political stuff in them will attract your propaganda. The usual "Pin the red rosette to the donkey"....
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post May 12 2017, 08:15 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 12 2017, 07:10 AM) *
Interesting stuff! Anyone care to say what they think is so bad about any item on the Labour manifesto, then we might be getting somewhere. The media are suggesting Labour want to take us back to the 1970's quite forgetting the Tories want to go further and take us back to the 1870s.

That's best left to the Labour party, and I quote, "One senior Labour candidate said: "This is nothing more than an expensive wishlist. Some of it may be harmless but the rest of it reads like a 10 year old's letter to Santa Claus."

Another, fighting to hold onto a marginal seat, said: "You could promise unicorns for everyone, none of this is going to happen.

"It's a ludicrous document, it won't serve Labour MPs well on the doorstep and the public have largely stopped listening and taking us seriously anyway.”

And there, dear readers, you have it.


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post May 12 2017, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 12 2017, 09:15 AM) *
That's best left to the Labour party, and I quote, "One senior Labour candidate said: "This is nothing more than an expensive wishlist. Some of it may be harmless but the rest of it reads like a 10 year old's letter to Santa Claus."

Another, fighting to hold onto a marginal seat, said: "You could promise unicorns for everyone, none of this is going to happen.

"It's a ludicrous document, it won't serve Labour MPs well on the doorstep and the public have largely stopped listening and taking us seriously anyway.”

And there, dear readers, you have it.

Except you didn't answer his question.
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post May 12 2017, 08:27 AM
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My view is I remember public ownership and union militancy.
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post May 12 2017, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 12 2017, 09:15 AM) *
That's best left to the Labour party, and I quote, "One senior Labour candidate said: "This is nothing more than an expensive wishlist. Some of it may be harmless but the rest of it reads like a 10 year old's letter to Santa Claus."

Another, fighting to hold onto a marginal seat, said: "You could promise unicorns for everyone, none of this is going to happen.

"It's a ludicrous document, it won't serve Labour MPs well on the doorstep and the public have largely stopped listening and taking us seriously anyway.”

And there, dear readers, you have it.


Rather like the LibDem manifestos then, but they are rather more dangerous, because of the chance they get to deliver some of the weirder and more expensive nostrums. Like free meals for your kids, designed to dramatically increase scholastic perfirmance! Notice any difference in the tables yet?

Now that's the detail I was hoping for. Not the knock about jokes published by that tribune of the people, dear Lord Rothermere. By the way, Rothermere had a lot in common with the late Tony Benn - both have acknowledged mad ancestors! Shock, horror, Rothermere had socialist tendancies!


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post May 12 2017, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE (GrumblingAgain @ May 12 2017, 08:23 AM) *
No sugar Sherlock, you're a labour activist who floods every thread here in the forum and every story in the main part of the website with leftist drivel, whenever there's a hint of Council or Government involvement, and from memory even on threads and stories that have no political stuff in them will attract your propaganda. The usual "Pin the red rosette to the donkey"....


Last time he appeared to support another party, and then another. To me, that suggests a bit of analysis and thinking - rather than simply doing whatever this week's party mantra happens to be. Suggesting that government should butt out of our lives is actually the true free trade Liberalisim of Cobden, Bright, Gladstone and ironically Mrs Thatcher. I appreciate thinking in the County where the term 'if they painted a pig blue, they'd vote for it' probably came from is difficult, but in spite of the frustration, worth it.


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post May 12 2017, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 12 2017, 09:24 AM) *
Except you didn't answer his question.

Yes, yes I did.


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post May 12 2017, 09:02 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 12 2017, 09:27 AM) *
My view is I remember public ownership and union militancy.


Yes, potent issues.

Personally, I think Labour's trouble with public ownership was to equate it with centralisation and deliver it through a traditional civil service model. I worked for a few. However, we can all now see that certain things, particularly common services, are in effect de facto monopolies. Electricity distribution, railways, telecom networks etc. In constrained free market competition, even with sophisticated rules to create pseudo markets doesn't work. So, let's take them into public control, perhaps franchised by region to aid performance measurement, but modelled on a cooperative (John Lewis) or non profit basis (BBC).

Trades Unions are likely to be a harder nut to crack. However, most business schools now accept that the bad behaviours which came out of the UK Trades Union model in the 1970s hid an even worse and far more damaging phenomena. Poor British management coupled with under or misplaced investment in British industry. Hindsight is always 20/20, but the collapse of British Leyland, BSA motorcycles, etc,etc,etc wasn't just down to labour disputes however ugly they were.

Ironically, with us coming out of Europe, the German Union model is far far better, as employees become properly involved in the management and direction of the business. They also treat management and management training very seriously as well as having properly constructed financial backing. Probably the reason they still have two mass market car producers.

So, I think Labour is on the right track BUT and its a very big but, there will need to be some paradigm change in concepts. Hence nationally we do need many more political thinkers who are willing to input propositions .


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post May 12 2017, 10:51 AM
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If true,this smacks of desperation verging on insanity,
"Jeremy Corbyn's most loyal supporters have accused a BBC cameraman of intentionally getting run over by a car carrying the Labour leader yesterday in a 'set up'.
Giles Wooltorton fell to the ground yelling in pain when his foot was driven over by the vehicle taking Mr Corbyn to a manifesto meeting with MPs and other Labour figures yesterday.
The 51-year-old cameraman suffered two broken toes and bruising to his foot in the incident, which happened outside the Institution of Engineering and Technology in London.
But some of Mr Corbyn's supporters have suggested that it was an attempt to undermine his election campaign hours after Labour's manifesto was leaked a week early.
BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg has also been accused of being in on a bizarre conspiracy to 'smear' the under pressure Labour leader because Mr Wooltorton was her cameraman.
Trolls calling her 'Laura Torygirl' and a 'Conservative stooge' and even accusing the experienced journalist of pushing him in the way or 'kicking his foot'."

Bear in mind it's from the swivel eyed loons handbook cool.gif


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post May 12 2017, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ May 12 2017, 11:51 AM) *
If true,this smacks of desperation verging on insanity,
"Jeremy Corbyn's most loyal supporters have accused a BBC cameraman of intentionally getting run over by a car carrying the Labour leader yesterday in a 'set up'.
Giles Wooltorton fell to the ground yelling in pain when his foot was driven over by the vehicle taking Mr Corbyn to a manifesto meeting with MPs and other Labour figures yesterday.
The 51-year-old cameraman suffered two broken toes and bruising to his foot in the incident, which happened outside the Institution of Engineering and Technology in London.
But some of Mr Corbyn's supporters have suggested that it was an attempt to undermine his election campaign hours after Labour's manifesto was leaked a week early.
BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg has also been accused of being in on a bizarre conspiracy to 'smear' the under pressure Labour leader because Mr Wooltorton was her cameraman.
Trolls calling her 'Laura Torygirl' and a 'Conservative stooge' and even accusing the experienced journalist of pushing him in the way or 'kicking his foot'."

Bear in mind it's from the swivel eyed loons handbook cool.gif



I have heard Jeremy Corbyn's great grandparents won't be backing him at the polls. He also cuts his finger nails and usually has a sh1t at least once a day which can smell bad. He's also used public transport when he has purchased a ticket, often not knowing the names of the ticket collectors kids. What a ****.

Apparently, there are even people about who believe press reporters make up,their own stories and even use illegal ways of getting information shocking isn't it. There's a name for these people, High Court Judges.....

Now then, as to the manifesto, which you clearly haven't read..........



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post May 12 2017, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 12 2017, 07:10 AM) *
Interesting stuff! Anyone care to say what they think is so bad about any item on the Labour manifesto, then we might be getting somewhere. The media are suggesting Labour want to take us back to the 1970's quite forgetting the Tories want to go further and take us back to the 1870s.
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That's best left to the Labour party, and I quote, "One senior Labour candidate said: "This is nothing more than an expensive wishlist. Some of it may be harmless but the rest of it reads like a 10 year old's letter to Santa Claus."

Another, fighting to hold onto a marginal seat, said: "You could promise unicorns for everyone, none of this is going to happen.

"It's a ludicrous document, it won't serve Labour MPs well on the doorstep and the public have largely stopped listening and taking us seriously anyway.”

And there, dear readers, you have it.


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Except you didn't answer his question.
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Yes, yes I did.


You made oblique references to comments about the manifesto, but have not singled out anything in particular, so I don't think you have.
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post May 12 2017, 12:16 PM
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Hold-on you bleedin' hijackers, this is about Tory toffs in hunting pink killing foxes for fun!!! angry.gif
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