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post Apr 10 2017, 09:07 PM
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Why would someone use WMD, when they knew full well what the response would be. They're either mad or claim false flag in order to blame someone else.
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post Apr 11 2017, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE (Andy1 @ Apr 10 2017, 09:07 PM) *
Why would someone use WMD, when they knew full well what the response would be. They're either mad or claim false flag in order to blame someone else.


I would say WMD are 'usually' a last resort, so why would Assad use them when he is gaining ground?


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post Apr 11 2017, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Apr 11 2017, 10:24 AM) *
I would say WMD are 'usually' a last resort, so why would Assad use them when he is gaining ground?


Maybe because trump had said he wanted nothing to do with the syrian conflict and Putin back them in anything they do so, the syrian regime thought they could get away with it and it met some local targeted aim in that location. Trump ordering that missile barrage was actually very out of character if you look at his previous stance.
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post Apr 12 2017, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE (Rdg @ Apr 11 2017, 12:31 PM) *
Maybe because trump had said he wanted nothing to do with the syrian conflict and Putin back them in anything they do so, the syrian regime thought they could get away with it and it met some local targeted aim in that location. Trump ordering that missile barrage was actually very out of character if you look at his previous stance.


Hope you preppers are ready for ww3. Most US Billionaires are already residing in New Zealand... Its coming....
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post Apr 14 2017, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 12 2017, 11:42 PM) *
Hope you preppers are ready for ww3. Most US Billionaires are already residing in New Zealand... Its coming....


And now the end is near... And we have reached the final curtain. Lead could be a good commodity buy.
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post Apr 17 2017, 06:42 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 10 2017, 05:11 PM) *
If it read like I was obfuscating that fact then I apologise, that wasn't my intention. The invasion of Iraq under the fabricated pretext of WMD was a horrendous thing and the misery of that decision will be working itself out for the rest of the century. That was a decision made by a Labour government under Tony Blair and people should indeed be reminded of that.

The UK courts are reported in the Grauniad as saying the the UK head of state has an implied immunity from prosecution for war crimes but I don't understand that reasoning. I would like to see Blair and Straw prosecuted and let the court settle the question.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/a...r-over-iraq-war


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post Apr 17 2017, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 17 2017, 07:42 AM) *
The UK courts are reported in the Grauniad as saying the the UK head of state has an implied immunity from prosecution for war crimes but I don't understand that reasoning. I would like to see Blair and Straw prosecuted and let the court settle the question.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/a...r-over-iraq-war


I'd suggest the last paragraph in the report has it 'everyone should welcome this case'. It's not over and the Court has yet to decide. It's only the Government law officer that is claiming 'implied immunity', and in words used in another establishment cover up case back in the 1960's 'well, he would, wouldn't he'. The judge in that one was very keen on a saying 'no one us above the law', quite right, not even Tony Blair. Will be interesting to see the outcome, but let's just hope the understated 'reforms' Blair and his old puppet master made to our old legal system haven't mortally wounded our constitution.

There is a much bigger issue in this case, which is the offence on which it is founded. Tony Blair can't simply be prosecuted for 'war crimes' or even aggression, the breach must be specified. From what I can see, this aspect is where the deficiencies are. Sadly, that means the action could well be lost but that other wholly undesirable decisions collected along the way will get set in concrete.


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post Apr 17 2017, 07:15 PM
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I must admit, I've got serious doubts about the plantiff's legal team in this case. Perhaps I'm being too old fashioned, but they are coming across as being rather more interested in the commercial publicity as opposed to the legalities. It would seem to me, that this action would have been far better coming from another nation ideally via the UN.


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post Apr 18 2017, 10:57 AM
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Well, that was a surprise! Jeremy has his work cut out for him, but if he can strike a deal with lib Dems (who, let's face it will share anyone's bed) he may be able to pull this one off. Just need ukip to shut up now. ohmy.gif
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post Apr 18 2017, 03:41 PM
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Going to be interesting this one. The old regime still haven't quite understood that the 'jam's' are the very ones who like Jeremy Corbyn.

Trouble is, rather too many pundits confuse charisma with leadership. Let's face it, Clement Atlee would have got nowhere today and look how well the Tory wannabes fared immediately post Thatcher.

Time to forget Esso Blue style opposition.


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post Apr 18 2017, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 18 2017, 04:41 PM) *
Going to be interesting this one. The old regime still haven't quite understood that the 'jam's' are the very ones who like Jeremy Corbyn.

Trouble is, rather too many pundits confuse charisma with leadership. Let's face it, Clement Atlee would have got nowhere today and look how well the Tory wannabes fared immediately post Thatcher.

Time to forget Esso Blue style opposition.


I dint know anyone who would vote for Corbyn. Lets face it if he gets in we may as well all give our jobs up and live off the state. Free money for everyone.
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post Apr 18 2017, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 18 2017, 08:00 PM) *
I dint know anyone who would vote for Corbyn. Lets face it if he gets in we may as well all give our jobs up and live off the state. Free money for everyone.


No, probably because you don't live neat bus constituency but you might know a lot of people who'd vote Labour. Does anyone really vote for 'the leader' these days?


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post Apr 18 2017, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 18 2017, 08:00 PM) *
I dint know anyone who would vote for Corbyn. Lets face it if he gets in we may as well all give our jobs up and live off the state. Free money for everyone.

Most people have empathy, so there's this natural inclination to help other people who are less well off because you can't help putting yourself in their shoes and feeling their pain. However, on the one hand you want to help people who have less than you, while on the other hand there's a natural inclination to want to keep everything you have to yourself, and while some people resolve that conflict by reconciling themselves to giving away some of what they have so that other people don't have to suffer, others resolve that conflict by stopping themselves thinking about other people as people and that effectively quenches their empathy - so for example you'd talk about the feckless rather than jobless, immigrants rather than refugees, or numbers rather than names.

So yes, if that narrative helps you cope, then OK, but another way to look at it is that taxation pays for services that any of us might have a need for but which we'd find hard to afford on our own - that's more or less a definition of socialism.


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post Apr 18 2017, 11:19 PM
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Free vodka and potato soup for all eh comrade? A country of lager swilling, fag smoking, 55" TV owning, BK eating, work shy oxygen thieves​. Still, it's a vision, of sorts.
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post Apr 19 2017, 05:26 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 19 2017, 12:19 AM) *
Free vodka and potato soup for all eh comrade? A country of lager swilling, fag smoking, 55" TV owning, BK eating, work shy oxygen thieves​. Still, it's a vision, of sorts.


Think of the poor drug addicts. They need free cash otherwise they have to commit crime. Vote Corbyn. As I said if he gets in I dont see the point in working. May as well join in with the big spend on the Country credit card. Pub TV and free Sky for everyone.👍
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post Apr 19 2017, 05:33 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 18 2017, 10:51 PM) *
Most people have empathy, so there's this natural inclination to help other people who are less well off because you can't help putting yourself in their shoes and feeling their pain. However, on the one hand you want to help people who have less than you, while on the other hand there's a natural inclination to want to keep everything you have to yourself, and while some people resolve that conflict by reconciling themselves to giving away some of what they have so that other people don't have to suffer, others resolve that conflict by stopping themselves thinking about other people as people and that effectively quenches their empathy - so for example you'd talk about the feckless rather than jobless, immigrants rather than refugees, or numbers rather than names.

So yes, if that narrative helps you cope, then OK, but another way to look at it is that taxation pays for services that any of us might have a need for but which we'd find hard to afford on our own - that's more or less a definition of socialism.


Im sorry but I've never read such a steaming pile of tosh. Helps you cope???? Socialism???? Better move to France Simon and vote for Melenchon. 90% tax and a maximum 32 hour week! Id be finished by Wednesday each week...😂
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post Apr 19 2017, 06:29 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Apr 18 2017, 10:51 PM) *
Most people have empathy, so there's this natural inclination to help other people who are less well off because you can't help putting yourself in their shoes and feeling their pain. However, on the one hand you want to help people who have less than you, while on the other hand there's a natural inclination to want to keep everything you have to yourself, and while some people resolve that conflict by reconciling themselves to giving away some of what they have so that other people don't have to suffer, others resolve that conflict by stopping themselves thinking about other people as people and that effectively quenches their empathy - so for example you'd talk about the feckless rather than jobless, immigrants rather than refugees, or numbers rather than names.

So yes, if that narrative helps you cope, then OK, but another way to look at it is that taxation pays for services that any of us might have a need for but which we'd find hard to afford on our own - that's more or less a definition of socialism.

Great post, but I can't help thinking that it's less a coping mechanism and more plain nastiness.
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post Apr 19 2017, 06:34 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 19 2017, 06:33 AM) *
Im sorry but I've never read such a steaming pile of tosh. Helps you cope???? Socialism???? Better move to France Simon and vote for Melenchon. 90% tax and a maximum 32 hour week! Id be finished by Wednesday each week...😂


Umm, so you work an excessively long week and haven't made any 'overseas' arrangement to deal with your tax? Sure, that's the lot of many of us today. Of course, whilst all the time one's boss is floating about the Med, whilst his gold stacks up. Who's the sucker TDH?

Oh well, best keep our heads down and earn enough to help the kids through Uni, at least the way we are, not having the high end jobs in this Country means they'll never have to pay back their student loan! And anyway, at least when we stop work age, the NI contributions we've made will keep us comfortable 'till the van comes, won't they?





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post Apr 19 2017, 06:46 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 19 2017, 07:34 AM) *
Umm, so you work an excessively long week and haven't made any 'overseas' arrangement to deal with your tax? Sure, that's the lot of many of us today. Of course, whilst all the time one's boss is floating about the Med, whilst his gold stacks up. Who's the sucker TDH?

Oh well, best keep our heads down and earn enough to help the kids through Uni, at least the way we are, not having the high end jobs in this Country means they'll never have to pay back their student loan! And anyway, at least when we stop work age, the NI contributions we've made will keep us comfortable 'till the van comes, won't they?


I see my boss every day working his balls off as a FTSE250 CEO. Don't believe all the cr@p that you read. Sure you have bad bosses. You alao have bad employees.
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post Apr 19 2017, 08:07 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 19 2017, 07:46 AM) *
I see my boss every day working his balls off as a FTSE250 CEO. Don't believe all the cr@p that you read. Sure you have bad bosses. You alao have bad employees.


So that's one......and counting!

So, I shouldn't believe that Weetabix is now on foreign hands, as are most of our utilities or that the only car industry we have is bolting up foreign designs and we can't even scrape enough engineers to design a big power station, and, and, and.

Would your Boss care to explain his success? Seriously, we need a national lesson, because the only one we are getting from HMG is 'greed is good'.


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