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Andy Capp
post Feb 28 2016, 10:01 AM
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My spin, but it's fun.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-34...r-filthier.html
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post Feb 28 2016, 11:14 AM
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Oh no! Plagues of locusts oer the earth, world stops spinning, sun explodes, woe is me! Oh, and AC reads the Wail! tongue.gif
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post Feb 28 2016, 01:21 PM
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Yes I do, but I don't inhale and only the bits I approve of or supports my views! tongue.gif
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post Mar 2 2016, 11:07 AM
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Interesting spin - mine would be:

EU attempt to save lives foiled by UK government bungling.
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post Mar 2 2016, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Mar 2 2016, 12:07 PM) *
Interesting spin - mine would be:

EU attempt to save lives foiled by UK government bungling.

OK, but trouble is the EU has no control over the world's worst polluters.
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Andy Capp
post Mar 2 2016, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Mar 2 2016, 11:07 AM) *
Interesting spin - mine would be:

EU attempt to save lives foiled by UK government bungling.

I'm not sure about that, this is the bit that inspired my headline: The New Labour government decided to do that in the wake of a 1998 EU directive, which compelled Britain to cut CO2 emissions from vehicles by 25 per cent by 2020.
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post Mar 2 2016, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Mar 2 2016, 12:19 PM) *
I'm not sure about that, this is the bit that inspired my headline: The New Labour government decided to do that in the wake of a 1998 EU directive, which compelled Britain to cut CO2 emissions from vehicles by 25 per cent by 2020.

But petrol cars are the worst polluters of CO2, so drive a diesel! Ah, see the problem?
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post Feb 23 2017, 05:18 PM
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Bump!!

VW, up 17% in the states while every one else including the likes of GM are down, static or at best 2% up and what's helping to fuel the rise? Yup, you guessed it, peoples who took vw up on their offer to buy back their nasty products going back into showrooms to buy another. Ask me? They deserve Donald.
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post May 3 2017, 11:20 AM
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Volkswagen said profit at its troubled core division soared in the first three months of the year, first-quarter operating profit at VW's largest division surged to 869 million euros ($948.9 million) from 73 million a year earlier, the carmaker said on Wednesday, group operating profit jumped 40 percent to 4.37 billion euros in the three months to the end of March, one of the carmaker's highest-ever quarterly results. The Wolfsburg-based group expects the 2017 return on sales to come in between 6 and 7 percent, after reaching 6.7 percent in 2016, and group revenue to exceed last year's record 217 billion euros by as much as 4 percent. smile.gif
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post May 3 2017, 12:08 PM
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post May 3 2017, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 3 2017, 12:20 PM) *
Volkswagen said profit at its troubled core division soared in the first three months of the year, first-quarter operating profit at VW's largest division surged to 869 million euros ($948.9 million) from 73 million a year earlier, the carmaker said on Wednesday, group operating profit jumped 40 percent to 4.37 billion euros in the three months to the end of March, one of the carmaker's highest-ever quarterly results. The Wolfsburg-based group expects the 2017 return on sales to come in between 6 and 7 percent, after reaching 6.7 percent in 2016, and group revenue to exceed last year's record 217 billion euros by as much as 4 percent. smile.gif


Was it Lincoln who said you can only govern with the consent of the people.

The public take as much notice of the 'emission figures' as they did of the 'miles per gallon' numbers in years gone by.


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post May 3 2017, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ May 3 2017, 01:35 PM) *
Was it Lincoln who said you can only govern with the consent of the people.

The public take as much notice of the 'emission figures' as they did of the 'miles per gallon' numbers in years gone by.

Which is why it is important that mummy is there to hide the matches in a safe place, just in case baby finds them!
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post May 3 2017, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 3 2017, 08:22 PM) *
Which is why it is important that mummy is there to hide the matches in a safe place, just in case baby finds them!

It might help if you didn't just bump the keyboard with your forehead.
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post May 4 2017, 06:12 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 3 2017, 08:22 PM) *
Which is why it is important that mummy is there to hide the matches in a safe place, just in case baby finds them!


Yes, quite right; the key is 'in a safe place'!

I must admit, when it comes to this type of failure, which is akin to tax dodging by certain big companies the underlying problem is that the Government (Mummy) has failed to create the right rules and certainly failed to properly manage adherence. i.e. a good example of good adherence is Weights and Measures, their tests (periodically) will include the software and mechanics of the scale they are testing.


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post May 4 2017, 08:24 AM
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That's right: while we have companies that do things like VW did and a load of baying sheep that suck-up their hype, we need an authority to protect us. Sadly we were let down and people are apparently dying because of it.
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post May 4 2017, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 4 2017, 09:24 AM) *
That's right: while we have companies that do things like VW did and a load of baying sheep that suck-up their hype, we need an authority to protect us. Sadly we were let down and people are apparently dying because of it.

We should start seeing less of them post Brexit as people won't be able to afford them.
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post May 4 2017, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 4 2017, 09:36 AM) *
We should start seeing less of them post Brexit as people won't be able to afford them.

Only poor people old boy, only poor people.
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post May 6 2017, 05:51 PM
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Let's not forget Gordon Brown drove this cheered on by the myopic green lobby.

Besides those purchased by private owners, many companies on the CO2
reduction excursion/ green agenda, changed their company car policies overnight.
Their employees with jobs requiring company cars had to accept diesel cars.
And business purchasers were by far the biggest share of the market.
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post May 8 2017, 08:41 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ May 4 2017, 09:24 AM) *
That's right: while we have companies that do things like VW did and a load of baying sheep that suck-up their hype, we need an authority to protect us. Sadly we were let down and people are apparently dying because of it.


I still don't see that VW has done anything wrong legally.

They were given a set of regulations and testing conditions and optimised their vehicles to that regime.

US manufacturers have been doing it for decades. In California, exhausts emissions are set lower than other states. What did GM. Ford, etc do - simply added an engine-driven air pump to dilute the exhaust gas prior to the tailpipe so that the lower CO percentages were reached. This, of course, didn't change the overall exhaust pollution at all.
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post May 8 2017, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE (gel @ May 6 2017, 06:51 PM) *
Let's not forget Gordon Brown drove this cheered on by the myopic green lobby.

Besides those purchased by private owners, many companies on the CO2
reduction excursion/ green agenda, changed their company car policies overnight.
Their employees with jobs requiring company cars had to accept diesel cars.
And business purchasers were by far the biggest share of the market.



This whole thing is nothing to do with clean air and saving lives, but just another way of raising revenue.

If diesels were actually so bad, they would be banned altogether on health grounds, but this is not what is happening merely additional tax and all those filthy black cabs, vans, buses, etc get off scot free.

Scrappage makes not a blind bit of difference for me. I have an old (2002) diesel Rover 75 and I am about to retire. Even if the government offered me £5000 scrappage, I still could not afford a new car.
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