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Richard Garvie
post Mar 8 2011, 09:13 AM
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Hi everyone. I asked a question at full council the other night asking what value the council places on consultation. As my follow up question, I asked if the Pavilion project would be scrapped if the people of Newbury did not want it. Graham Jones agreed that the Pavilion would not be built if it did not have broad public support. As a result, I am hoping to get 2,000 signatures on my petition for the next full council meeting so we can stop this project once and for all.

The link is http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/savevictoriapark
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Simon Kirby
post Mar 8 2011, 09:59 AM
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Richard, could you post a link to some information about the pavilion please. I've heard about it, but I don't know much about it, and although it sounds like a stupid idea to build on the park there might be some merit in the idea that I've missed so I'd like to make an informed choice.


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Andy Capp
post Mar 8 2011, 10:20 AM
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This is the original draft proposal, but not the one that was presented last year, or so.

http://www.newbury.gov.uk/VPexhibition/

Pictures of the updated one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/berkshire/hi/p...000/8342757.stm
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Richard Garvie
post Mar 8 2011, 10:21 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/berkshire/hi/p...000/8342757.stm
http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/Article...articleID=11499
http://www.newburysound.co.uk/pavilion-rea...pics-i-3407.php
http://www.newbury.net/forum/m-1257379199/
http://forum.newburytoday.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=332
http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/Article...?articleID=9988
http://consultationfinder.westberks.gov.uk...%20Brochure.pdf
http://cy-gb.facebook.com/group.php?gid=321108630593
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100...4924&ref=ts
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100...id=190319386418
http://www.surfersparadise.net/forum/m-1256648074/s-0/

Just some links from a google search. I support the art centre being replaced with a town centre facility, but I can't support any large development in the park.
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post Mar 8 2011, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Mar 8 2011, 09:13 AM) *
Hi everyone. I asked a question at full council the other night asking what value the council places on consultation. As my follow up question, I asked if the Pavilion project would be scrapped if the people of Newbury did not want it. Graham Jones agreed that the Pavilion would not be built if it did not have broad public support. As a result, I am hoping to get 2,000 signatures on my petition for the next full council meeting so we can stop this project once and for all.

The link is http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/savevictoriapark

I think you'll need to know what 'broad public support' is and, to be fair you should also run a 'we want the Pavillion' petition too.
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Richard Garvie
post Mar 8 2011, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Mar 8 2011, 10:56 AM) *
I think you'll need to know what 'broad public support' is and, to be fair you should also run a 'we want the Pavillion' petition too.


There is a facebook group in support of the Pavilion. It has 8 members. The facebook group opposed to the pavilion has 700 members, and another Victoria Park group exists too. If somebody wants to campaign for it, that's up to them. I've never had anyone say "Richard, I support the idea of a pavilion". It's clear to me that the 700 or so people against it on facebook far outweigh the support the council recieved for it.

Let's have a new arts centre, but let's not build it on the park.
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post Mar 8 2011, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Mar 8 2011, 10:59 AM) *
There is a facebook group in support of the Pavilion. It has 8 members. The facebook group opposed to the pavilion has 700 members, and another Victoria Park group exists too. If somebody wants to campaign for it, that's up to them. I've never had anyone say "Richard, I support the idea of a pavilion". It's clear to me that the 700 or so people against it on facebook far outweigh the support the council recieved for it.

Let's have a new arts centre, but let's not build it on the park.

Planning notice for the new childrens playground states that it is being moved N to accommodate the pavillion should it be built.

I can understand why the park is the councils perefered site.
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Richard Garvie
post Mar 8 2011, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Mar 8 2011, 11:03 AM) *
Planning notice for the new childrens playground states that it is being moved N to accommodate the pavillion should it be built.

I can understand why the park is the councils perefered site.


Have you got a link to the planning application?

It doesn't make sense to build it in the park. Where will people park?
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post Mar 8 2011, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Mar 8 2011, 11:05 AM) *
Have you got a link to the planning application?

It doesn't make sense to build it in the park. Where will people park?



Where will people park? LOL?

The planning is attached to the gate into the playground.

You must be thinking of a new green field site out of town if parking is your only issue. People park for the Corn Exchange.

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Richard Garvie
post Mar 8 2011, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Mar 8 2011, 11:12 AM) *
Where will people park? LOL?

The planning is attached to the gate into the playground.

You must be thinking of a new green field site out of town if parking is your only issue. People park for the Corn Exchange.


As I've said before, Let's build it adjacent to the museum so the two could be linked with a walkway, allowing visiting exhibitions to the museum to use the arts centre making the museum more attractive / viable in the process.

I'll have a look at the planning notice later. It wouldn't surprise me though, it's what everyone has been expecting!!! Oh well, when the Pavilion is defeated, we'll have a bit extra space for picnics etc. That area of the park by the canal does get busy on a warm sunny day!!!
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post Mar 8 2011, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Mar 8 2011, 11:20 AM) *
As I've said before, Let's build it adjacent to the museum so the two could be linked with a walkway, allowing visiting exhibitions to the museum to use the arts centre making the museum more attractive / viable in the process.

I'll have a look at the planning notice later. It wouldn't surprise me though, it's what everyone has been expecting!!! Oh well, when the Pavilion is defeated, we'll have a bit extra space for picnics etc. That area of the park by the canal does get busy on a warm sunny day!!!

Adjacent to the museum? Err, isn;t that going to be reducuing the available parking further?

And I would not purt much credence in numbers on facebook groups. Seems to me those in favour of a pavillion won't even know what facebook is.
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post Mar 8 2011, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE (Richard Garvie @ Mar 8 2011, 11:20 AM) *
I'll have a look at the planning notice later. It wouldn't surprise me though, it's what everyone has been expecting!!!


I noticed the wording on the planning application too. So, it would appear that whatever other reasons were given for moving the skatepark north, the real reason would be to accomodate the pavillion (should it be built).
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post Mar 8 2011, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Mar 8 2011, 11:21 AM) *
Adjacent to the museum? Err, isn't that going to be reducing the available parking further?


The issue with parking is not that there will be no parking - but that it will not be convenient for users of the arts centre (especially for those with mobility problems). There will be parking on the other side of the A339 (I don't think they have said exactly where or how big) - presumably the current football ground park and part of the football ground. They are also proposing an expensive new wheelchair friendly pedestrian bridge from the library to the pavilion - so users will also be able to use the car parks behind the library and museum (those in front will go as part of the Wharf development). The other alternative will be the Parkway car park (how many will want to cross a dark park for an event on a winter's evening?).

An arts centre could be built behind the musuem or library taking up relatively few parking spaces - but it is an issue, some spaces would inevitably go. However, WBC are already getting rid of a load of spaces on the wharf, telling us that the new Parkway car park will take up the slack (would you opt to park there for an evening out in Newbury - where all the attractions are south of the river?). Perhaps the old idea of a multi-story alongside the A339 behind the library should be revisited; include an arts centre in the build and we'd kill two birds with one stone!

WBC (in the Newbury Vision 2025) declared that the area around the Market Place and the Wharf should be the town's 'cultural and leisure quarter' - hence the cinema, the transformation of the Market Place from a place to shop to a sea of eateries. Now they want to put a cultural facility across the river, outside of the 'quarter'...
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post Mar 8 2011, 11:59 AM
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IMHO parking isn't the issue. I didn't use it as a negative for the Pavillion in the Park.
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post Mar 8 2011, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE (dannyboy @ Mar 8 2011, 11:59 AM) *
IMHO parking isn't the issue. I didn't use it as a negative for the Pavillion in the Park.

It's not THE issue but it is AN issue - it's just daft to put a facility like this in a place that dissuades people from using it.

Access in general is a bigger issue - no access for large vehicles will cause problems at times, no adjacent parking for the disabled drivers will limit their attendence.

Of course there are plenty of other issues ...
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post Mar 8 2011, 12:56 PM
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I have to say that the thing I find most silly and petty about local politics is that stopping something from happening is the best we hope for.


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post Mar 8 2011, 01:25 PM
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I like the idea of a pavilion.. you will always find more people opposed. People who want it don't go looking for petitions!
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Richard Garvie
post Mar 8 2011, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Mar 8 2011, 12:56 PM) *
I have to say that the thing I find most silly and petty about local politics is that stopping something from happening is the best we hope for.


It's not about stopping a new arts centre, it's about stopping it from being built on the park. The cost of putting it behind the museum in lost parking revenue is around £160k per annum.

Also, if Greenham want to move the centre, they could pay the costs of doing up the museum in return for allowing it to be built in town. We then save the million or so that the council is spending on lotery funding, so it's a double win for the taxpayer.
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post Mar 8 2011, 02:55 PM
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Lots wrong about the way this project has been run, it seems, right from the start. The original idea for The Wharf regeneration as a whole vision was much more joined up. The only building proposed then, as I remember, was for facilities that contributed to the park/canal. An Arts Centre, while worthy, does not.

So much about the presentation of information that supposedly supports the proposal looks more like 'hiding bad news'.

Whether or not the idea is right I reserve judgement. The process is wrong, wrong, wrong.
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post Mar 8 2011, 06:02 PM
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Says 27 members here, not 700.

I think the parking charges at the NDC group showed how quickly people are to protest and how slow they are to provide constructive alternatives for funding to keep the Centre going.
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