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Andy Capp
post Dec 15 2019, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Dec 15 2019, 09:56 PM) *
The past three years has taught me not to believe these one liner 'facts' so I've put my cynical lenses in and added a response under each!

Many replies didn’t actually address the point and some merely questions. Like I said, if you see those points as functioning despite the removal of unnecessary expenditure, then you are correct.
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post Dec 16 2019, 06:21 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 15 2019, 11:58 PM) *
Many replies didn’t actually address the point and some merely questions. Like I said, if you see those points as functioning despite the removal of unnecessary expenditure, then you are correct.


Essentially then, I can't see the purpose of the long list of unrelated statements. I'd certainly agree that recent Tory administrations have taken steps to rapidly stop the ship of state sinking simply by strictly disciplined spending following the global economic and are now set fair to move us forward again. And yes, letting Captain Corbyn and his chums anywhere near the helm doesn't bear thinking about.
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post Dec 16 2019, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Dec 16 2019, 06:21 AM) *
Essentially then, I can't see the purpose of the long list of unrelated statements. I'd certainly agree that recent Tory administrations have taken steps to rapidly stop the ship of state sinking simply by strictly disciplined spending following the global economic and are now set fair to move us forward again. And yes, letting Captain Corbyn and his chums anywhere near the helm doesn't bear thinking about.

In it together.
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post Dec 16 2019, 12:50 PM
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Anyhoo, it turns out it wasn't dislike of Corbyn, lack of enthusiasm for living under a Marxist state, fear for the economy or even distrust of their threat to security that caused them to lose. Nope, it was the BBC. J M concluded "we'll have to see what can be done about that". laugh.gif way to go! BBC? It's the gulag for you.


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post Dec 16 2019, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Dec 16 2019, 12:50 PM) *
Anyhoo, it turns out it wasn't dislike of Corbyn, lack of enthusiasm for living under a Marxist state, fear for the economy or even distrust of their threat to security that caused them to lose. Nope, it was the BBC. J M concluded "we'll have to see what can be done about that". laugh.gif way to go! BBC? It's the gulag for you.


And there I was thinking the BBC left wing bias was, at times, nauseating. The character of an individual can best be evaluated by their response to being beaten fair and square. Time to man up Mr Corbyn.


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post Dec 16 2019, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Dec 16 2019, 01:09 PM) *
And there I was thinking the BBC left wing bias was, at times, nauseating. The character of an individual can best be evaluated by their response to being beaten fair and square. Time to man up Mr Corbyn.

I’m not sure he was beaten fair and square; the press were mainly against him, but he was always never going to win over over the electorate; him and his shadow cabinet.
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post Dec 17 2019, 06:31 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 16 2019, 09:33 PM) *
I’m not sure he was beaten fair and square; the press were mainly against him, but he was always never going to win over over the electorate; him and his shadow cabinet.

To be fair, I'm sure that for every instance of media bias you can supply I could possibly give you two instances of media giving the opposite view.


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post Dec 17 2019, 09:44 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Dec 16 2019, 09:33 PM) *
I’m not sure he was beaten fair and square; the press were mainly against him, but he was always never going to win over over the electorate; him and his shadow cabinet.


I thought they were also critical of Johnson, the one who seemed to get off lightly was Swinson and she wanted to ignore democracy! But perhaps that is also a case of my bias in what I saw based on my feelings.
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post Dec 17 2019, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE (MontyPython @ Dec 17 2019, 09:44 AM) *
I thought they were also critical of Johnson, the one who seemed to get off lightly was Swinson and she wanted to ignore democracy! But perhaps that is also a case of my bias in what I saw based on my feelings.


Boris Johnson would have been absolutely destroyed if he had participated in either the BBC or ITV one-to-one interviews so in my opinion he is the one who got off lightly.
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post Dec 17 2019, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Dec 17 2019, 01:40 PM) *
Boris Johnson would have been absolutely destroyed if he had participated in either the BBC or ITV one-to-one interviews so in my opinion he is the one who got off lightly.

He knew if he said nothing in the campaign apart from "Get Brexit Done"..that a big majority would follow.
Simples.
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post Dec 17 2019, 08:06 PM
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Simple question to the left wing element of this little forum-

"Has a Labour government ever done ANYTHING for the working class? With the possible exception of the post war Attlee regime the answer is an emphatic no, which is why the electorate is at last throwing off this silly family voting tradition and using their eyes.


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post Dec 17 2019, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Dec 17 2019, 03:46 PM) *
He knew if he said nothing in the campaign apart from "Get Brexit Done"..that a big majority would follow.
Simples.


Yes, he did exactly the right thing for himself and the Conservatives. He still got off extremely lightly compared to the other party leaders though.
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post Dec 17 2019, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Dec 17 2019, 08:45 PM) *
Yes, he did exactly the right thing for himself and the Conservatives. He still got off extremely lightly compared to the other party leaders though.


He did the right thing for the people who have now demanded Brexit twice.

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post Dec 17 2019, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Dec 17 2019, 04:46 PM) *
He knew if he said nothing in the campaign apart from "Get Brexit Done"..that a big majority would follow.
Simple.

Corrected for you! tongue.gif
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QUOTE (James_Trinder @ Dec 17 2019, 08:45 PM) *
Yes, he did exactly the right thing for himself and the Conservatives. He still got off extremely lightly compared to the other party leaders though.

He played a good hand, a better hand. He knew he was onto a loser with the Neil interview, he also knew the others were too so he played to his strengths and let the others get clawed instead. To win anything you need to play to your strengths. I look forward to at least ten years under his leadership.


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post Dec 18 2019, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Dec 17 2019, 08:06 PM) *
Simple question to the left wing element of this little forum-

"Has a Labour government ever done ANYTHING for the working class? With the possible exception of the post war Attlee regime the answer is an emphatic no, which is why the electorate is at last throwing off this silly family voting tradition and using their eyes.

Not that Im a Labour fan, but on top of the Attlee years...

Barbara Castle introduced the Equal Pay Act of 1970. New labour introduced the National Minimum Wage.

Labour also oversaw the decriminalisation of homosexuality (compared to the Tories attempt at Section 28), legislation to outlaw racial discrimination, the establishment of the Open University, Civil Partnerships, the Equality Act, the Human Rights Act and legislating for equality of opportunity for all, cancelled up to 100 per cent of debt for the world’s poorest countries and brought about the world’s first Climate Change Act. of course some of the above would have been cross-party.
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post Dec 30 2019, 01:20 AM
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Wcmut?
https://youtu.be/f2zJ8vaB5jo
This laugh.gif
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post Dec 31 2019, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Dec 30 2019, 01:20 AM) *


Not only very funny but pretty accurate. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Jan 29 2020, 07:34 PM
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Just two days left,. sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif , flying out tomorrow, wonder if they'll let me in again? Hmmm. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 29 2020, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jan 29 2020, 07:34 PM) *
Just two days left,. sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif , flying out tomorrow, wonder if they'll let me in again? Hmmm. biggrin.gif

Depends where you are going...you may be in quarantine for 2 weeks when you get back...🤣🤣
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