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post Jun 14 2019, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 14 2019, 09:41 AM) *
Do businsess people like to enter into credit agreements with people who refuse to pay their bills?

The customer has the right to query the bill if it is unreasonable or do you just pay all your bills even if you think the bill is too much?
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post Jun 14 2019, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 14 2019, 09:44 AM) *
The customer has the right to query the bill if it is unreasonable or do you just pay all your bills even if you think the bill is too much?

There's a difference between a bill and a legally binding contract. Sure, you can query whether the service meets the contractual conditions, but that isn't what's happening here. It's gammon meltdown.
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post Jun 14 2019, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 14 2019, 11:18 AM) *
There's a difference between a bill and a legally binding contract. Sure, you can query whether the service meets the contractual conditions, but that isn't what's happening here. It's gammon meltdown.

No contract, no legal reasons to pay. (Apparently).
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post Jun 14 2019, 11:11 AM
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I work for a contractor on a PFI set up. It's a nightmare because everything is grey so I understand there are many areas where we have to negotiate where we expect people to pay and areas where we will argue and come to an agreement. However when we feel our client doesn't play ball or acts unfairly, it means we put procedures in place to make sure it doesn't happen again, and we hold them to account on future payments as well. I suspect the EU and everyone else who wants a deal with us will act the same way, we will be seen as not wanting to pay our fair share.
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post Jun 14 2019, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE (Strafin @ Jun 14 2019, 12:11 PM) *
I work for a contractor on a PFI set up. It's a nightmare because everything is grey so I understand there are many areas where we have to negotiate where we expect people to pay and areas where we will argue and come to an agreement. However when we feel our client doesn't play ball or acts unfairly, it means we put procedures in place to make sure it doesn't happen again, and we hold them to account on future payments as well. I suspect the EU and everyone else who wants a deal with us will act the same way, we will be seen as not wanting to pay our fair share.

Or in this case, more than our fair share. I mean, we wouldn't want to short-change thesis civil servants of some of their pensions, now would we?
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post Jun 14 2019, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 14 2019, 12:41 PM) *
Or in this case, more than our fair share. I mean, we wouldn't want to short-change thesis civil servants of some of their pensions, now would we?

Certainly Farage isn’t giving his up.
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post Jun 14 2019, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 14 2019, 12:49 PM) *
Certainly Farage isn’t giving his up.

He's trying to. But you lot won't let him.🤣🤣🤣🤣
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post Jun 14 2019, 12:46 PM
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If we owe the money, legally owe, not as some part of a 'gentlemans' agreement, not that any party involved could be described as gentlemanly. Then yes it ought to be paid.


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post Jun 14 2019, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 14 2019, 01:46 PM) *
If we owe the money, legally owe, not as some part of a 'gentlemans' agreement, not that any party involved could be described as gentlemanly. Then yes it ought to be paid.

I don't disagree. How much of the 39 billion is legally owed though? Why have they not told us? They must have a ball park number.
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post Jun 14 2019, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 14 2019, 01:21 PM) *
He's trying to. But you lot won't let him.🤣🤣🤣🤣

Nope. He's keeping his £73,000 a year pension. Total hypocrite.
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post Jun 14 2019, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Jun 14 2019, 01:46 PM) *
If we owe the money, legally owe, not as some part of a 'gentlemans' agreement, not that any party involved could be described as gentlemanly. Then yes it ought to be paid.

I think it's along the lines of international treaties. So we could for example withdraw from the Good Friday Agreement and no court could do anything. That's the thing with sovereign nations.
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post Jun 14 2019, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 14 2019, 02:37 PM) *
Nope. He's keeping his £73,000 a year pension. Total hypocrite.

Good luck to him. I'm sure the EU could pass a law to stop it after we have left.
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post Jun 14 2019, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 14 2019, 03:01 PM) *
Good luck to him. I'm sure the EU could pass a law to stop it after we have left.

That's the thing. It doesn't matter his hypocrisy and lies, you'll still be a fan boi. There isn't a politician alive who's hypocrisy I'd ignore.
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post Jun 14 2019, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 14 2019, 05:16 PM) *
That's the thing. It doesn't matter his hypocrisy and lies, you'll still be a fan boi. There isn't a politician alive who's hypocrisy I'd ignore.

I'm no fan. He's just representing a lot of disenfranchised people. Oh and all politicians, with the very odd exception are Hypocrites. That's the nature of the job. Johnson, Gove, Lammy, Abbott , Bercow.
The list is endless.
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post Jun 14 2019, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 14 2019, 05:29 PM) *
I'm no fan. He's just representing a lot of disenfranchised people. Oh and all politicians, with the very odd exception are Hypocrites. That's the nature of the job. Johnson, Gove, Lammy, Abbott , Bercow.
The list is endless.

There’s degrees of hypocrisy. Taking a pension from an organisation whose life’s “work” and raison d’etre it is to undermine is about as shocking as it’s possible to get for hypocrisy. So Abbott sending her son to a private school is arguably hypocrisy, but a strong argument can be put to defend it. Farage’s only defence is to make up some nonsense about them trying to take it off him.
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post Jun 14 2019, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 14 2019, 08:01 PM) *
There’s degrees of hypocrisy. Taking a pension from an organisation whose life’s “work” and raison d’etre it is to undermine is about as shocking as it’s possible to get for hypocrisy. So Abbott sending her son to a private school is arguably hypocrisy, but a strong argument can be put to defend it. Farage’s only defence is to make up some nonsense about them trying to take it off him.

You just hate Farage. That's your perogative but he's no worse than the others. Me? Of all of the British politicians Corbyn is the one that sends chills down my spine. He is not only ecomically illiterate but a real danger to security. Choices fella... just choices and poor ones at that.
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post Jun 14 2019, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Jun 14 2019, 08:01 PM) *
There’s degrees of hypocrisy. Taking a pension from an organisation whose life’s “work” and raison d’etre it is to undermine is about as shocking as it’s possible to get for hypocrisy. So Abbott sending her son to a private school is arguably hypocrisy, but a strong argument can be put to defend it. Farage’s only defence is to make up some nonsense about them trying to take it off him.


Nonsense. You are confusing the European Psrliament as a commercial firm, it isn't. If it has any claim at all to being a representative democracy, then like it or not Farage had and continues to fulfil his elected role properly. A sizeable number in the UK want to exit the EU and have wanted to for many years - Farage represents them. Frankly, paying him is rather more defendable than paying a good few other of our MEPs. Ms Abbott on the other hand represents a party who have a fundamental belief in state education. Most would be hard put to find any justification for her using the private system for her children. Her actions are true hypocracy.
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post Jun 14 2019, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE (The Hatter @ Jun 14 2019, 09:02 PM) *
Nonsense. You are confusing the European Psrliament as a commercial firm, it isn't. If it has any claim at all to being a representative democracy, then like it or not Farage had and continues to fulfil his elected role properly. A sizeable number in the UK want to exit the EU and have wanted to for many years - Farage represents them. Frankly, paying him is rather more defendable than paying a good few other of our MEPs. Ms Abbott on the other hand represents a party who have a fundamental belief in state education. Most would be hard put to find any justification for her using the private system for her children. Her actions are true hypocracy.


Quite. That's why Newres has it all wrong. The House of Lords? That's a REAL waste of money. Taxi to the HOL sir? Pop in for 30 secs. Sign in whilst taxi is waiting. Go home. Claim expenses. That's real fookin Hypocrites.
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post Jun 14 2019, 09:44 PM
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And, I'll just leave this here, don't trip over it.

The Guardian: Chuka Umunna’s self-serving hypocrisy is emblematic of our broken politics.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...ocrat-hypocrisy


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post Jun 15 2019, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 14 2019, 08:09 PM) *
You just hate Farage. That's your perogative but he's no worse than the others. Me? Of all of the British politicians Corbyn is the one that sends chills down my spine. He is not only ecomically illiterate but a real danger to security. Choices fella... just choices and poor ones at that.

I can't deny that I despise Farage. But I dislike Corbyn too. You assume that because I don't like Farage I support Corbyn. Wrong.
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