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post Jun 13 2017, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 13 2017, 08:50 PM) *
To say the DUP are Tories is rather like suggesting that Attila the Hun was a Seventh Day Evangelist in drag .( Other religions are , I am reliably informed , available ).
I agree quite a few of the 1922 club would like to follow a more right wing strategy but even they know their limitations .
The crazy part of the whole episode is that a party with 10 MPs can dictate to one with 318 and restrict the views of one with 262 .
That's democracy folks .



What's wrong with that? A few days back, the Tories were claiming that one Woman MP could and was dictating to a party with a reasonable majority! Was Mrs M a DUP sleeper all along laugh.gif


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post Jun 13 2017, 09:29 PM
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I had a boss who always claimed he'd triple his salary if he went to the States. When we got taken over by a US firm, he was one of the first to get the chop.
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post Jun 13 2017, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 13 2017, 10:19 PM) *
No, let's hold the door open!

Take you TDH, the ulcers you are going to get from worry will be a drain on the NHS, you aren't going to be convinced, so as the saying has it 'we don't want to loose you but we think you ought to go'. Do it now, before it's too late.


Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.
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post Jun 13 2017, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 13 2017, 10:36 PM) *
Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.

Everyone needs an exit strategy, gold and foreign property are good bets.
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post Jun 13 2017, 11:55 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 13 2017, 10:36 PM) *
Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.

QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 14 2017, 12:02 AM) *
Everyone needs an exit strategy, gold and foreigners property are good bets.

Buk, Buk, bukaaaaaaaaaaaark!
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post Jun 14 2017, 05:45 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 14 2017, 12:55 AM) *
Buk, Buk, bukaaaaaaaaaaaark!

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post Jun 14 2017, 05:55 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 14 2017, 12:55 AM) *
Buk, Buk, bukaaaaaaaaaaaark!

Droll, very droll. What passes for humour amongst poor people one supposes. 😯
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post Jun 14 2017, 06:53 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 14 2017, 06:55 AM) *
Droll, very droll. What passes for humour amongst poor people one supposes. 😯

"A poor man wants the oyster
A rich man wants the pearl
But the man who can grin when he hasn't got a thing
He's the king of the whole wide world!"
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post Jun 14 2017, 07:00 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 14 2017, 07:53 AM) *
"A poor man wants the oyster
A rich man wants the pearl
But the man who can grin when he hasn't got a thing
He's the king of the whole wide world!"

Whatever makes you happy, try buying groceries with a grin though.
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post Jun 14 2017, 08:09 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 14 2017, 07:53 AM) *
"A poor man wants the oyster
A rich man wants the pearl
But the man who can grin when he hasn't got a thing
He's the king of the whole wide world!"



Bet the chap who coined that one didn't want for much . The collective cake is of a given size , ( usually referred to as the GDP ) , and is therefore divisible by the those at the table . Some have a crumb , some have a chunk so big that a few crumbs fall down to the "privileged " few at his/her feet ,and some starve . JC , ( the first one not the present ), must have dined out for a long time on that trick with a loaf of bread and dead fish .


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post Jun 14 2017, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Jun 13 2017, 10:36 PM) *
Foot "loose" and free. Loving it!!! I gave up worrying years ago. All ducks are lined.


Clearly you haven't.

Actually, it's one of my worries. All these 'rich Tories' emigrating and our international reputation plummets. Do you really think Canada or New Zealand wants hordes of miserly old codgers with a sense of entitlement flooding in, swamping their services with all their demands yet not wanting to contribute much save a bit of cash? No, I'd rather have the young and fit we could get in return who are willing to do even menial tasks to help us move forward.

Seriously, liquidate your assets and join your fellow travellers, with our blessing and hope that the wadge lasts long enough.


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post Jun 14 2017, 09:00 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 14 2017, 09:09 AM) *
Bet the chap who coined that one didn't want for much . The collective cake is of a given size , ( usually referred to as the GDP ) , and is therefore divisible by the those at the table . Some have a crumb , some have a chunk so big that a few crumbs fall down to the "privileged " few at his/her feet ,and some starve . JC , ( the first one not the present ), must have dined out for a long time on that trick with a loaf of bread and dead fish .


In reality, the 'poor' don't actually want much at all. Provision of a half decent home, a job an income they can be content with, a reasonable health service and something that gives the kids the practical basics to survive. Nothing too hard there; it's what 'One Nation' conservatives aspired to provide, not much different truth to tell to the socialist vision.

So as to your cake, us unwashed don't really want anymore than a small slice. Which means that the envy for a bigger cut of the cake comes from those who already have a much bigger slice than everyone else, but still want even more.

Worth thinking about other people and their needs because then you might just find that meeting their needs enable you to protect yours even tighter.


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post Jun 14 2017, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 14 2017, 10:00 AM) *
In reality, the 'poor' don't actually want much at all. Provision of a half decent home, a job an income they can be content with, a reasonable health service and something that gives the kids the practical basics to survive. Nothing too hard there; it's what 'One Nation' conservatives aspired to provide, not much different truth to tell to the socialist vision.

So as to your cake, us unwashed don't really want anymore than a small slice. Which means that the envy for a bigger cut of the cake comes from those who already have a much bigger slice than everyone else, but still want even more.

Worth thinking about other people and their needs because then you might just find that meeting their needs enable you to protect yours even tighter.


On the principal that if a man has a penny and you double his wealth by giving him another ,is he happier than the millionaire who has just made £10,000 ? I very much doubt it . We all want to better our living standards but quite simply some are more adept than others at succeeding .
In a perverse case of irony had the third reich achieved it's deplorable aim most of us alive today would come from selective breeding stock and therefore be at the top of the global pile .
Should we all adopt an altruistic approach to the plight of others or continue to support a system of welfare handouts via taxation ?
Maybe the real problem is that modern media brings the plight of others into our homes to the extent our collective consciousness feels compelled to help .



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post Jun 14 2017, 01:19 PM
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I'd just say that there but for the grace of God go I. I find selfishness will always be recognisable by most and being well off when all around are not, is not as much fun as it sounds.
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post Jun 14 2017, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Jun 14 2017, 01:44 PM) *
On the principal that if a man has a penny and you double his wealth by giving him another ,is he happier than the millionaire who has just made £10,000 ? I very much doubt it . We all want to better our living standards but quite simply some are more adept than others at succeeding .
In a perverse case of irony had the third reich achieved it's deplorable aim most of us alive today would come from selective breeding stock and therefore be at the top of the global pile .
Should we all adopt an altruistic approach to the plight of others or continue to support a system of welfare handouts via taxation ?
Maybe the real problem is that modern media brings the plight of others into our homes to the extent our collective consciousness feels compelled to help .


Lovely society we aspire to eh?


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post Jun 15 2017, 08:14 AM
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Ahh, the democratic process,. Labours vision.

"John McDonnell has urged unions to mobilise a million people 'on to the streets' in a bid to oust Theresa May.
The shadow chancellor - who has previously praised London rioters and backed 'insurrection' against the government - said a march would help increase pressure on the Prime Minister.
Left-wing groups are plotting a protest in the capital on July 1 demanding that Mrs May step aside from power - despite the Tories still being by far the largest party in the Commons after the election. "
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post Jun 15 2017, 09:37 AM
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Ahh, the democratic process,. Labours vision.

"John McDonnell has urged unions to mobilise a million people 'on to the streets' in a bid to oust Theresa May.
The shadow chancellor - who has previously praised London rioters and backed 'insurrection' against the government - said a march would help increase pressure on the Prime Minister.
Left-wing groups are plotting a protest in the capital on July 1 demanding that Mrs May step aside from power - despite the Tories still being by far the largest party in the Commons after the election. "


........and?

Sorry, but people have always taken to the streets to protest against things they don't like which the majority do. Countryside Alliance and the All in it together Remainers being other examples.


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post Jun 15 2017, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Jun 15 2017, 10:37 AM) *
........and?

Sorry, but people have always taken to the streets to protest against things they don't like which the majority do. Countryside Alliance and the All in it together Remainers being other examples.

Ah, so using the unions to support insurrection on the capitals streets is a good thing. So sorry, should have read JC's little red book earlier.
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post Jun 15 2017, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jun 15 2017, 02:09 PM) *
Ah, so using the unions to support insurrection on the capitals streets is a good thing. So sorry, should have read JC's little red book earlier.

More hysterical rightie cooblers.
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post Jun 15 2017, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Jun 15 2017, 06:07 PM) *
More hysterical rightie cooblers.

Or is it? The truth is out there. Still All Hail King of Cord!
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