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[massifheed]

Google it.

You make a compelling argument.

[Rusty Bullet]

I'm saying that I don't think benefits should be given to anyone who was not born in the UK.

So under your watch, none of these would receive benefits if they ever needed them??

Greg Rusedski
Joanna Lumley
Rudyard Kipling
Cliff Richard
Mike Catt
Richard Curtis
HRH Duke of Edinburgh
J R R Tolkien
Richard E Grant
Joe Strummer
George Orwell
Eddie Izzard
Bradley Wiggins
Emma Watson
Freddie Mercury
John Barnes
Zola Budd

[On the edge]

Regrettably and this is what causes the contention, we have blurred the distinction between National Insurance and National Assistance. Those who are 'members of the scheme' should receive the benefits, no matter where they may be resident. On the other hand, welfare assistance is simply a dole, in the correct sense of the word, arguably restricted to the domiciled population.

[motormad]

So under your watch, none of these would receive benefits if they ever needed them??

Greg Rusedski
Joanna Lumley
Rudyard Kipling
Cliff Richard
Mike Catt
Richard Curtis
HRH Duke of Edinburgh
J R R Tolkien
Richard E Grant
Joe Strummer
George Orwell
Eddie Izzard
Bradley Wiggins
Emma Watson
Freddie Mercury
John Barnes
Zola Budd

I do not care for famous people unlike most of the yoots of today. I'm sure the Emma Watson appreciation society might feel differently but yeah.
Frankly they are all rich enough to never have to need benefits.

[FactFile]

I do not care for famous people unlike most of the yoots of today. I'm sure the Emma Watson appreciation society might feel differently but yeah.
Frankly they are all rich enough to never have to need benefits.

I think you're confusing 'Celebrity' with 'Famous'. Sir Issac Newton is 'famous', Isambard Kingdom Brunel is 'famous' Emily Watson merely a 'celebrity' (at the moment - unless she comes up with a cure for cancer).

But you deflected the question it seems. The question posed was if they needed benefits. e.g if they suddenly had no money. It's at that point you would see to it that Bradley Wiggins got no benefits yes?

[motormad]

That's a hypothetical question like your best mate saying "if I was a girl would we be dating?"

I'm sure at your weekly railway meetings where you drop apples on your heads, they would be appreciative for the support.
I've always wanted for a level playing field. EG you can never claim more in benefits than you've paid in tax. That way no single person would have a negative value to the country (easiest way to explain it).

So yes if Bradley Wiggins, whatever he is or whoever he does earnt £1000 then he could claim £1000 in benefits.
But I do not want a bunch of immigrants coming over and then claiming benefits for them and their 18 kids.

[Berkshirelad]

Er, I can't see Freddie Mercury claiming somehow...

[Amelie]

But I do not want a bunch of immigrants coming over and then claiming benefits for them and their 18 kids.

And there we have it.

Methinks you've been flushed out.

[x2lls]

That's a hypothetical question like your best mate saying "if I was a girl would we be dating?"

I'm sure at your weekly railway meetings where you drop apples on your heads, they would be appreciative for the support.
I've always wanted for a level playing field. EG you can never claim more in benefits than you've paid in tax. That way no single person would have a negative value to the country (easiest way to explain it).

So yes if Bradley Wiggins, whatever he is or whoever he does earnt £1000 then he could claim £1000 in benefits.
But I do not want a bunch of immigrants coming over and then claiming benefits for them and their 18 kids.

Which be getting out more than putting in.

[motormad]

^ true. I should have said "paid £1000 in tax and NI contributions".

And there we have it.

Methinks you've been flushed out.

Flushed out? I said that before. I don't think immigrants should be able to claim benefits. I'm welcome for anyone of any culture, background or country of origin to make their lives in the UK. All I ask is that they are somewhat skilled (eg working in IT, engineering, Doctor, etc) and speak English enough to be able to communicate with someone of the native tongue - not to a Shakesperian level but a "hi, how are you? thanks" would be nice. EU or outside of the EU..

Is that unreasonable?

Personally I don't think so. If I moved to another country I wouldn't dream of not learning their language. It would be disrespectful not to. I certainly wouldn't dream of claiming benefits from their state.

[massifheed]

So yes if Bradley Wiggins, whatever he is or whoever he does earnt £1000 then he could claim £1000 in benefits.

Not by your logic.

I'm saying that I don't think benefits should be given to anyone who was not born in the UK.

[massifheed]

I'm welcome for anyone of any culture, background or country of origin to make their lives in the UK. All I ask is that they are somewhat skilled...

So we shouldn't accept any people seeking asylum (people who's lives are generally in danger - often as a consequence of UK foreign policy) into the country from anywhere until they have a skilled profession and can speak English? And once they have met your entrance criteria, they will at no point be able to claim benefits of any kind - ever? Quite a utopia you're planning.

[motormad]

So we shouldn't accept any people seeking asylum (people who's lives are generally in danger - often as a consequence of UK foreign policy) into the country from anywhere until they have a skilled profession and can speak English? And once they have met your entrance criteria, they will at not point be able to claim benefits of any kind - ever? Quite a utopia you're planning.

Bit simplistic.

If the UK foreign policy is so oppressive why would people flock here?
It's like saying "oh look, a man with a gun threatening to shoot me... I'm going to go round to his house for dinner.

I would like to see an increase in skilled professions of the immigrant population. There is still unfortunately a lot of unemployment in this country, many of the lower paying jobs, eg supermarkets, "crappy" jobs could and should be filled by British nationals. It's unfortunate and bad that (some) immigrants are willing to work in places where the British man wouldn't. EG Burger King/. Meaning, it's bad on the UK population who refuse to work in such positions.. it's a job at end of t'day.

*edit okay that came out wrong.

[JeffG]

(some) immigrants are willing to work in places where the white man wouldn't.

I can't believe I just read that.

[Amelie]

No, no, no, what you actually said was:

But I do not want a bunch of immigrants coming over and then claiming benefits for them and their 18 kids.

You did not qualify it at all. Don't try to weasel out of it. There are those on this thread who will know that you've got economic migrants, Immigrants and probably Asylum-Seekers all confused into one.

You probably won't like this, but here is the Tier system that prospective Immigrants must satisfy: Not quite as easy as the Tabloids make out

[Weavers Walk]

It's unfortunate and bad that (some) immigrants are willing to work in places where the white man wouldn't.

I think, as 'Amelie' said, you've been 'flushed out'. We already know where you're coming from. Don't make it worse for yourself.

[motormad]

No, no, no, what you actually said was:


You did not qualify it at all. Don't try to weasel out of it. There are those on this thread who will know that you've got economic migrants, Immigrants and probably Asylum-Seekers all confused into one.

Yes, yes, yes. That is what I said and what I said is a valid statement and I am not weaseling out of anything. You beaver.

You probably won't like this, but here is the Tier system that prospective Immigrants must satisfy: Not quite as easy as the Tabloids make out

That is an interesting link, cheers.
But does that apply to outer EU migrants only or does that apply to EU ones too?

[Rusty Bullet]

(some) immigrants are willing to work in places where the white man wouldn't.

These Immigrants you've been sounding off about aren't white then?

Can you still say things like that on a semi-public forum?

Perhaps, if that's your outlook, a B.N.P forum might be more your thing.

[motormad]

Sorry where did I say that?
FTR I don't support any national party, not least the BNP. I dislike them to the strongest degree. I would have said Lib Dems at the last general election but since they have gone to pot I might as well vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party.

[massifheed]

It's like saying "oh look, a man with a gun threatening to shoot me... I'm going to go round to his house for dinner.

It's nothing like that.

You either really don't grasp it, or you're on a wind up. I would assume it's the second one, but the more you post, the more I think it's the first.