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post May 11 2019, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 11 2019, 06:35 PM) *
No sense of humour on the right. Aside from anything we were far from kicked out.

Imagine a Brexiteer sneering about the EU like that? Front page news and the remainers would be in meltdown. No sense of balance these remoaners... do as we say... not as we do...
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post May 11 2019, 07:45 PM
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Love a Guardian article me....😂😂😂😂😂

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/...r-combined-poll



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post May 12 2019, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 11 2019, 06:42 PM) *
Imagine a Brexiteer sneering about the EU like that? Front page news and the remainers would be in meltdown. No sense of balance these remoaners... do as we say... not as we do...

I donít need to imagine it. Itís a daily thing. Farage every time he speaks in the EU Parliament for a start. And incidentally you do know heíll be keeping his EU pension.

It is very frustrating at the moment though because Labour is very much a Remain party and Iím quite certain that if a confirmatory referendum was offered by them they would be on a par with the Brexit party. Itís mad because if Farage polls 30% and is a clear leader it will be claimed as a win for no deal despite the average poll since 2017 giving remain an average 8 point lead. Corbynís game is the destruction of the Tories at whatever the cost.
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post May 12 2019, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 03:03 PM) *
I donít need to imagine it. Itís a daily thing. Farage every time he speaks in the EU Parliament for a start. And incidentally you do know heíll be keeping his EU pension.

It is very frustrating at the moment though because Labour is very much a Remain party and Iím quite certain that if a confirmatory referendum was offered by them they would be on a par with the Brexit party. Itís mad because if Farage polls 30% and is a clear leader it will be claimed as a win for no deal despite the average poll since 2017 giving remain an average 8 point lead. Corbynís game is the destruction of the Tories at whatever the cost.

This!
BBC News - Damian Hinds: European elections 'ultimate protest vote'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48243645


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post May 12 2019, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 03:03 PM) *
I donít need to imagine it. Itís a daily thing. Farage every time he speaks in the EU Parliament for a start. And incidentally you do know heíll be keeping his EU pension.

It is very frustrating at the moment though because Labour is very much a Remain party and Iím quite certain that if a confirmatory referendum was offered by them they would be on a par with the Brexit party. Itís mad because if Farage polls 30% and is a clear leader it will be claimed as a win for no deal despite the average poll since 2017 giving remain an average 8 point lead. Corbynís game is the destruction of the Tories at whatever the cost.

But what if UKIP, the Brexit Party, and the Conservatives deliver 50%? And that's without Labour? What then... does that mean the polls are as always b0llocks, because a lot of people don't want to put a head above the parapet and get called thick and racist? What then? Just ban people from voting if they don't have the "right" opinion???
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post May 12 2019, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 03:03 PM) *
I donít need to imagine it. Itís a daily thing. Farage every time he speaks in the EU Parliament for a start. And incidentally you do know heíll be keeping his EU pension.

It is very frustrating at the moment though because Labour is very much a Remain party and Iím quite certain that if a confirmatory referendum was offered by them they would be on a par with the Brexit party. Itís mad because if Farage polls 30% and is a clear leader it will be claimed as a win for no deal despite the average poll since 2017 giving remain an average 8 point lead. Corbynís game is the destruction of the Tories at whatever the cost.


I also think the Brexit party will poll nearer 40 percent. 34 percent in the polls.. you can add 6 percent who are not saying...
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post May 12 2019, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 12 2019, 03:34 PM) *
But what if UKIP, the Brexit Party, and the Conservatives deliver 50%? And that's without Labour? What then... does that mean the polls are as always b0llocks, because a lot of people don't want to put a head above the parapet and get called thick and racist? What then? Just ban people from voting if they don't have the "right" opinion???

Very few will vote Tory, slightly more will vote labour, almost no one will vote UKIP (as a party it's now useless), lot of people will vote brexit. Polls (usually a load of wishful codswallop) indicate more votes for brexit than Tory and labour combined.


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post May 12 2019, 03:36 PM
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Nippy Nige,

"Asked why he did not advocate a no-deal Brexit at the time of the EU referendum in 2016, Mr Farage said: "Because it was obvious that we could do a free trade deal.

"The problem is the prime minister never asked for it, so we finished up in the mess that we're in," he said.

"She chose to go for this close and special partnership. Basically right from the start she was happy for us to be kept very close to the customs union".

"So where we are now, the only way the democratic will of the people can be delivered is to leave on a WTO (World Trade Organization) deal."




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post May 12 2019, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 12 2019, 04:36 PM) *
Nippy Nige,

"Asked why he did not advocate a no-deal Brexit at the time of the EU referendum in 2016, Mr Farage said: "Because it was obvious that we could do a free trade deal.

"The problem is the prime minister never asked for it, so we finished up in the mess that we're in," he said.

"She chose to go for this close and special partnership. Basically right from the start she was happy for us to be kept very close to the customs union".

"So where we are now, the only way the democratic will of the people can be delivered is to leave on a WTO (World Trade Organization) deal."

Did you see his interview on Andrew Marr? He doesnít stand up to scrutiny at all. His position on Brexit has shifted and he lied to cover it then eventually saying it was all because May messed it up. The truth was always that without free movement it was always going to be that way.
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post May 12 2019, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 05:21 PM) *
Did you see his interview on Andrew Marr? He doesnít stand up to scrutiny at all. His position on Brexit has shifted and he lied to cover it then eventually saying it was all because May messed it up. The truth was always that without free movement it was always going to be that way.

If Marr had asked about the elections rather than what he said ten years ago it might have been a relevant interview. But he didn't.


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post May 12 2019, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 12 2019, 05:30 PM) *
If Marr had asked about the elections rather than what he said ten years ago it might have been a relevant interview. But he didn't.

It would be akin to asking Corbyn why he thinks Venezuela is a paradise of socialism...🤣
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post May 12 2019, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 12 2019, 05:30 PM) *
If Marr had asked about the elections rather than what he said ten years ago it might have been a relevant interview. But he didn't.

Was it not right to ask him why he is now campaigning for no deal rather than a deal? Itís the crux of the issue and a betrayal of those who voted leave in good faith believing the EU would capitulate to our demands. You saw the clip played and his lying that he was arguing for no deal before the referendum. Once he started being shifty Marr asked him other awkward questions. Heís been unchallenged for weeks on the no deal lie.
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post May 12 2019, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 12 2019, 05:38 PM) *
It would be akin to asking Corbyn why he thinks Venezuela is a paradise of socialism...🤣

He needs to account for his change of position on deal v no deal.
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post May 12 2019, 05:24 PM
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The EU might, in fact very well may have capitulated on a deal, if certain parties hadn't insisted in taking away the only tool we had to ensure that they did, the threat of a no deal.


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post May 12 2019, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 05:58 PM) *
He needs to account for his change of position on deal v no deal.

He's always said, right from the beginning, "no deal is better than a bad deal".


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post May 12 2019, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 12 2019, 06:24 PM) *
The EU might, in fact very well may have capitulated on a deal, if certain parties hadn't insisted in taking away the only tool we had to ensure that they did, the threat of a no deal.

No deal was only removed a few weeks ago.
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post May 12 2019, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ May 12 2019, 06:25 PM) *
He's always said, right from the beginning, "no deal is better than a bad deal".

Got a link to where he says this? The BBC couldnít find anything. His position was always that we could have any deal we wanted.
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post May 12 2019, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 07:25 PM) *
Got a link to where he says this? The BBC couldnít find anything. His position was always that we could have any deal we wanted.

Face it fella... we are all doomed... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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post May 12 2019, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ May 12 2019, 07:31 PM) *
Face it fella... we are all doomed... 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Itís about honesty though isnít it. What was campaigned for has been shown to be undeliverable. To some that was always evident. Gove has accepted it.
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post May 12 2019, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ May 12 2019, 07:36 PM) *
Itís about honesty though isnít it. What was campaigned for has been shown to be undeliverable. To some that was always evident. Gove has accepted it.

And how are the Conservatives doing as a result? Doubt they will poll ten percent...Still don't think you really understand. Not everyone's God is the EU and a lot of people understand the consequences of leaving on WTO and would still rather just go...

Short term pain... long term gain.
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