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post Nov 4 2017, 08:03 AM
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Does anyone on here ever get along there? It's Newbury's treasure for live music and comedy.

Last night we saw Marriage of Figaro by Kennet Opera, but really it's more of a blues venue. Next week I'm seeing Bernie Marsden, but over recent months I've seen Elles Bailey (up and coming blues singer) supported by my cousin, Hugh Cornwell, Joanne Shaw Taylor and lots more besides.

In the past we saw a fantastic and poignant show by Sean Hughes.
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SirWilliam
post Nov 20 2017, 11:08 AM
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It's interesting to note that an element of society consider it perfectly acceptable to break the law , vis a vis speeding , making light of their punishment , yet become apoplectic over a "non pc" remark . The law is the law , contravening it is , in my book , unacceptable .


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post Nov 20 2017, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Nov 20 2017, 11:08 AM) *
It's interesting to note that an element of society consider it perfectly acceptable to break the law , vis a vis speeding , making light of their punishment , yet become apoplectic over a "non pc" remark . The law is the law , contravening it is , in my book , unacceptable .

In my case my indiscretion was accidental, often what people say is deliberate. I also disgree that breaking the law is always unacceptable, especially if the law is ‘unacceptable’.
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post Nov 21 2017, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Nov 20 2017, 02:52 PM) *
In my case my indiscretion was accidental, often what people say is deliberate. I also disgree that breaking the law is always unacceptable, especially if the law is ‘unacceptable’.


Back in the day it was "acceptable" to go down the local have five pints and drive home. You were "unlucky" if you got caught. Now you are seen as a danger to all and quite rightly so. Perhaps in a few years when driverless cars ensure people stay under the speed limit your actions will be deemed senseless and moronic. Just saying...
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post Nov 22 2017, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 21 2017, 02:50 PM) *
Back in the day it was "acceptable" to go down the local have five pints and drive home. You were "unlucky" if you got caught. Now you are seen as a danger to all and quite rightly so. Perhaps in a few years when driverless cars ensure people stay under the speed limit your actions will be deemed senseless and moronic. Just saying...


Odds are that driverless cars will eventually go faster - because they are better driven they will be safer at high speeds.

But you don't need driverless cars to speed limit cars - all you need is a GPS, a link to the engine management computer thingy and a bit of software - absolute doddle costing very little to implement. They should have been fitting them in cars for ten years - many would use them even if there was an off switch. After a few years it would be socially unacceptable to use the off switch.
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post Nov 22 2017, 06:21 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 22 2017, 01:21 AM) *
Odds are that driverless cars will eventually go faster - because they are better driven they will be safer at high speeds.

But you don't need driverless cars to speed limit cars - all you need is a GPS, a link to the engine management computer thingy and a bit of software - absolute doddle costing very little to implement. They should have been fitting them in cars for ten years - many would use them even if there was an off switch. After a few years it would be socially unacceptable to use the off switch.


Spot on. Indeed even mechanical governors have been around since even before the birth of motor vehicles; even if only on a crude basis. Why does anyone need a vehicle that can exceed the national speed limit? Such things perhaps should have been fitted for years, but it is a political issue. The same one which discourages the increased use of camera surveillance for speed enforcement and other violations.


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post Nov 22 2017, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Nov 22 2017, 06:21 AM) *
Spot on. Indeed even mechanical governors have been around since even before the birth of motor vehicles; even if only on a crude basis. Why does anyone need a vehicle that can exceed the national speed limit? Such things perhaps should have been fitted for years, but it is a political issue. The same one which discourages the increased use of camera surveillance for speed enforcement and other violations.

Agreed , my first car had a top speed of 85mph and that was an MG . Now there are very few models that are not capable of speeds in excess of 100 , but why when the perpetrator runs the risk of being fined for doing so ? It would cost pence to have a warning siren that corresponded to the limit at the time and the technology is not a problem . One can only conclude that the revenue generated is more important than the third party victims of said speeding .


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post Nov 22 2017, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Nov 22 2017, 09:41 AM) *
Agreed , my first car had a top speed of 85mph and that was an MG . Now there are very few models that are not capable of speeds in excess of 100 , but why when the perpetrator runs the risk of being fined for doing so ? It would cost pence to have a warning siren that corresponded to the limit at the time and the technology is not a problem . One can only conclude that the revenue generated is more important than the third party victims of said speeding .

Many cars now have a speed control system, it relies on map data and cameras which can actually read speed signs as you pass them, very clever. It just needs the men in grey to legislate that these can not be organically switched.


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post Nov 22 2017, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Nov 22 2017, 10:58 AM) *
Many cars now have a speed control system, it relies on map data and cameras which can actually read speed signs as you pass them, very clever. It just needs the men in grey to legislate that these can not be organically switched.


I hadn't realised they were so available - the first step is to legislate so that all new cars must have them fitted and older models have them retrofitted within a few years. Once they are commonplace increase speeding fines/penalties massively (an automatic 1 month ban for instance) - so drivers opt to use them. Once most are using them habitually public opinion will approve of the off switch being removed.
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post Nov 22 2017, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Nov 22 2017, 01:34 PM) *
I hadn't realised they were so available - the first step is to legislate so that all new cars must have them fitted and older models have them retrofitted within a few years. Once they are commonplace increase speeding fines/penalties massively (an automatic 1 month ban for instance) - so drivers opt to use them. Once most are using them habitually public opinion will approve of the off switch being removed.


Few would have any issue with that, but it's likely to be one of those issues like making errant Dads pay maintenance; we all agree until it comes to physical implementation. I suspect if there was a political will, the start will come when insurance companies start upping their premiums for drivers who don't have such systems installed.


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