TVP Speed Campaign this week, EURO initiative great Options

[motormad]

Which is a shame as that would be a solution to Newbury's traffic jams.

No they won't - The volume of people will be the same, and they don't stop the council closing major roads and not allowing an alternate route (by means of the Racecourse bridge.. )

[Andy Capp]

I think you missed my joke!

[Andy Capp]

How?

...and you!

[Andy Capp]

'cos they'd be in the area over the jams?

Ahh! Someone's awake!

[Andy Capp]

As it happens I think a place full of driverless cars will make journeys more efficient so I suspect that will have a positive effect on traffic jams.

[On the edge]

Which poses the next question, driverless or, autonomous cars, what happens in the event of an accident? Where does the blame lie? Driver? Manufacturer software developer? For instance the law states "No person shall drive or cause or permit any other person to drive, a motor vehicle on a road if he is in such a position that he cannot have proper control of the vehicle or have a full view of the road and traffic ahead." The key words here are 'proper control, if you no longer have your hands on the controls can you be said to have proper control?

The law will follow as usual, but it won't stop it; just the same as drones and aviation legislation. There are some pretty powerful pressures to bring them in quickly; substantive road tests happening right now. The interesting bit as far as accidents are concerned will be the evidence of the vehicle itself; which is likely to have some type of black box. Some quite interesting commercial possibilities start to open; making the Uber debate a playground squabble.

[blackdog]

No they won't - The volume of people will be the same, and they don't stop the council closing major roads and not allowing an alternate route (by means of the Racecourse bridge.. )

Driverless technology could cope with a far greater load on the same roads - our human incompetence to, for instance, safely travel 30cm behind the car in front, means we take up far more space than is actually used.

If all cars were driverless there would be little or no need for any of them to stop during a journey - knowing where each other are would enable them to adjust speed so as to create gaps through which cross traffic could pass - etc. You would need a lot less space for juntions, huge amounts of roadside clutter could be binned.

Won't happen in my lifetime, but Motormad might live to see it.

[Biker1]

Driverless cars en masse??

[Berkshirelad]

our human incompetence to, for instance, safely travel 30cm behind the car in front,

I dunno, seems to work in lane 3 of motorways...!!!

[Berkshirelad]

If all cars were driverless there would be little or no need for any of them to stop during a journey - knowing where each other are would enable them to adjust speed so as to create gaps through which cross traffic could pass - etc. You would need a lot less space for juntions, huge amounts of roadside clutter could be binned.

Only if the software and inter-vehicle communications are absolutely error free 100% of the time.

One heavy lightning strike and either everything completely stops for heaven only knows how long or complete mayhem as everything crashes into to each other

[On the edge]

Only if the software and inter-vehicle communications are absolutely error free 100% of the time.

One heavy lightning strike and either everything completely stops for heaven only knows how long or complete mayhem as everything crashes into to each other

Umm, so 'human' control meets these perfect standards does it?

Rather an ironic example as well, ask the A&E people, lightning strikes with its consequential heavy rainfall causes just as much mayhem today.

Frankly, I'd trust the software over the wetware in these circumstances.

[Turin Machine]

I presume you're aware that just recently a Google autonomous car has crashed into a bus.

[On the edge]

I presume you're aware that just recently a Google autonomous car has crashed into a bus.

...and hardly ax week goes by where a bus crashes into a railway bridge, but then their drivers aren't in test mode!

[Berkshirelad]

Umm, so 'human' control meets these perfect standards does it?

No, but usually involves only a few cars/bodies; whereas a area-wide failure of autonomous software would be a major incident for A&E

[blackdog]

No, but usually involves only a few cars/bodies; whereas a area-wide failure of autonomous software would be a major incident for A&E

You assume that the cars will be unable to think for themselves? While cars communicating with each other (or a central control node) would be able to massively increase traffic flow a first fail safe would be to use on-board sensors to avoid collisions (as they will have to until old fashioned human controlled vehicles are banned).

[Cognosco]

You assume that the cars will be unable to think for themselves? While cars communicating with each other (or a central control node) would be able to massively increase traffic flow a first fail safe would be to use on-board sensors to avoid collisions (as they will have to until old fashioned human controlled vehicles are banned).

How will they cope with the Lycra clad idiots who ignore red lights and other road signage to shave tenths of a second off their time just like the two who totally ignored red lights in Thatcham today riding two abreast and causing mayhem behind them?

[blackdog]

How will they cope with the Lycra clad idiots who ignore red lights and other road signage to shave tenths of a second off their time just like the two who totally ignored red lights in Thatcham today riding two abreast and causing mayhem behind them?

Their sensors will detect the cyclists and cause the car to avoid them - by about 5cm if I'm doing the programming.

[HJD]

How will they cope with the Lycra clad idiots who ignore red lights and other road signage to shave tenths of a second off their time just like the two who totally ignored red lights in Thatcham today riding two abreast and causing mayhem behind them?

'Lycra clad idiots', .

[Turin Machine]

How will they cope with the Lycra clad idiots who ignore red lights and other road signage to shave tenths of a second off their time just like the two who totally ignored red lights in Thatcham today riding two abreast and causing mayhem behind them?

Ahh! Road freedom warriors!

[motormad]

Driverless technology could cope with a far greater load on the same roads - our human incompetence to, for instance, safely travel 30cm behind the car in front, means we take up far more space than is actually used.

If all cars were driverless there would be little or no need for any of them to stop during a journey - knowing where each other are would enable them to adjust speed so as to create gaps through which cross traffic could pass - etc. You would need a lot less space for juntions, huge amounts of roadside clutter could be binned.

Won't happen in my lifetime, but Motormad might live to see it.

I'd rather die.

I think you missed my joke!

Hah sorry.