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post Jun 7 2017, 08:09 PM
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post Nov 5 2017, 07:18 PM
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Wouldn't get out of bed for that salary.
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Wouldn't get out of bed for that salary.

Thats half the problem. You should get a FTSE100 CEO salary. Its a bl00dy difficult and much more important job. The PM should get a million a year. Minimum. Business dictates that sort of salary to get the best people so why not the PM?
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post Nov 5 2017, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 5 2017, 07:38 PM) *
Thats half the problem. You should get a FTSE100 CEO salary. Its a bl00dy difficult and much more important job. The PM should get a million a year. Minimum. Business dictates that sort of salary to get the best people so why not the PM?


Because simply she/he is not the best person for the job . Ask any successful business person if they fancy running the Country and they will politely enquire if you have been certified .I don't know how we get away this continual merry-go-round of party politics .
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Because simply she/he is not the best person for the job . Ask any successful business person if they fancy running the Country and they will politely enquire if you have been certified .I don't know how we get away this continual merry-go-round of party politics .
Any ideas forumites ?


Quite easy.

1. Abolish the House of Lords.
2. Reduce the number of MPs to 250.
3. Pay them a lot more.
4. Abolish all political parties.
5. Create new parties. One left. One Centre left
One Centre right. One Right.
6. Get PR up and running.
7. Get rid of the speaker as an MP.
8. The House of Westmister should be a museum. Get a proper office for the MPs.

Just a few ideas...

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post Nov 5 2017, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Nov 5 2017, 08:09 PM) *
Quite easy.

1. Abolish the House of Lords.
2. Reduce the number of MPs to 250.
3. Pay them a lot more.
4. Abolish all political parties.
5. Create new parties. One left. One Centre left
One Centre right. One Right.
6. Get PR up and running.
7. Get rid of the speaker as an MP.
8. The House of Westmister should be a museum. Get a proper office for the MPs.

Just a few ideas...


Arguably, what's here demonstrates it wouldn't be easy!

They've been trying to abolish the Lords since 1910 and if it was easy, would have done so by now.

MP numbers are being reduced, but our political system itself probably inhibits much more of a reduction.

They are paid reasonably well. The real issue is the massive imbalance with executive salaries which were driven up by the bankers ramp. It's these causing the issue as the Governments own think tanks agree.

Not much point in abolishing parties, just to come up with four more of the same type. Vis Left; Labour, centre left; LibDem, centre right; conservative, right; UKIP.

PR is up and running, but again, 'PR' or spin is probably one of the biggest issues. Making PR or party information keep the same rules as commercial advertising might help.

Not sure having the speaker as an employee would make much difference.

Moving out of the building won't save the refurbishment costs, if you want to keep it as a museum. Might as well keep using it, it's more than adequate in reality.

I'd argue the problem is national one. We've replaced words like integrity, probity, and service, with just one - greed. Be that greed for money or personal gratification


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post Nov 6 2017, 07:21 AM
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QUOTE (Mr Brown @ Nov 5 2017, 09:47 PM) *
Arguably, what's here demonstrates it wouldn't be easy!

They've been trying to abolish the Lords since 1910 and if it was easy, would have done so by now.

MP numbers are being reduced, but our political system itself probably inhibits much more of a reduction.

They are paid reasonably well. The real issue is the massive imbalance with executive salaries which were driven up by the bankers ramp. It's these causing the issue as the Governments own think tanks agree.

Not much point in abolishing parties, just to come up with four more of the same type. Vis Left; Labour, centre left; LibDem, centre right; conservative, right; UKIP.

PR is up and running, but again, 'PR' or spin is probably one of the biggest issues. Making PR or party information keep the same rules as commercial advertising might help.

Not sure having the speaker as an employee would make much difference.

Moving out of the building won't save the refurbishment costs, if you want to keep it as a museum. Might as well keep using it, it's more than adequate in reality.

I'd argue the problem is national one. We've replaced words like integrity, probity, and service, with just one - greed. Be that greed for money or personal gratification

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