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> Thug can stay because his country’s gaols are a bit shabby!, one for the breakfast spitters!
Andy Capp
post Apr 7 2018, 09:42 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-55...walks-free.html
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post Apr 7 2018, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 7 2018, 10:42 AM) *

Oh God. Don’t start them again off again.
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post Apr 7 2018, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 7 2018, 12:50 PM) *
Oh God. Don’t start them again off again.

But this issue brings into disrepute the European Convention on Human Rights. We have a convicted violent criminal permitted to stay because a member state has gaols deemed not suitable. I would say that the rights of the population should be higher than those of a convicted criminal who was convicted in a member state. The message now to convicted violent criminals in Romania is get yourself to the UK.
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post Apr 7 2018, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 7 2018, 12:50 PM) *
Oh God. Don’t start them again off again.

Facts hurt your agenda? Andy is a very moderate man. Even he deems this an issue. How would you defend it? Human rights??
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post Apr 7 2018, 02:53 PM
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Simple enough answer surely. All we need to do is give him a fair trial for his misdemeanours in this Country which has to be legitimate to do for someone seeking the protection of UK law. If we find him guilty, we bang him up. Arguably any cost could come from Foreign Aid budget as the impoverished but peaceable Romanian government will be very grateful for us helping reduce pressures on its administration of justice system. Rather surprised the Mail didn't connect these issues as they seem to be campaigns of theirs; but then again, the Mail isn't a paper for thinkers!


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post Apr 7 2018, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 7 2018, 03:03 PM) *
Facts hurt your agenda? Andy is a very moderate man. Even he deems this an issue. How would you defend it? Human rights??

It's the first I've heard of it and I doubt we're getting a balanced picture from the Mail, but it does look like a loophole that needs plugging. Stop seething.
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post Apr 7 2018, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 7 2018, 06:23 PM) *
It's the first I've heard of it and I doubt we're getting a balanced picture from the Mail, but it does look like a loophole that needs plugging. Stop seething.

Im not seething my friend. I don't seethe. I comment.👍
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post Apr 7 2018, 07:16 PM
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I found the following snippet from the article rather amusing -

"Semi-open jails also give inmates plenty of freedom. Detainees can buy food every week in the prison shops and may be allowed to spend all day outside their cells. They have to return to their rooms only for meals and roll call".

Especially the purchasing of food bit, saves the state supplying it. laugh.gif
Why do we adhere to the rules yet the rest just take the money and put two fingers up to EU directives? And they still wonder why we wanted out. angry.gif



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post Apr 7 2018, 07:16 PM
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I found the following snippet from the article rather amusing -

"Semi-open jails also give inmates plenty of freedom. Detainees can buy food every week in the prison shops and may be allowed to spend all day outside their cells. They have to return to their rooms only for meals and roll call".

Especially the purchasing of food bit, saves the state supplying it. laugh.gif
Why do we adhere to the rules yet the rest just take the money and put two fingers up to EU directives? And they still wonder why we wanted out. angry.gif



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post Apr 7 2018, 08:09 PM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 7 2018, 08:16 PM) *
I found the following snippet from the article rather amusing -

"Semi-open jails also give inmates plenty of freedom. Detainees can buy food every week in the prison shops and may be allowed to spend all day outside their cells. They have to return to their rooms only for meals and roll call".

Especially the purchasing of food bit, saves the state supplying it. laugh.gif
Why do we adhere to the rules yet the rest just take the money and put two fingers up to EU directives? And they still wonder why we wanted out. angry.gif


Is this an EC directive? In my youth we lived opposite a retired Prison Warder who served his lady years in an Open Prison - he used to make the same accusations! That was before we'd even joined the EU!

I voted leave, but one niggle I've had for a long time, had been the attitude of our own civil service. Our disillusion with over burdensome rules and regulations won't actually get better; our record prior to entry demonstrates our very own efforts were similar if not worse!


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post Apr 8 2018, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 7 2018, 01:55 PM) *
But this issue brings into disrepute the European Convention on Human Rights. We have a convicted violent criminal permitted to stay because a member state has gaols deemed not suitable. I would say that the rights of the population should be higher than those of a convicted criminal who was convicted in a member state. The message now to convicted violent criminals in Romania is get yourself to the UK.

And he successfully claimed to get his parking fees paid !!


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post Apr 8 2018, 05:26 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 8 2018, 01:10 AM) *
And he successfully claimed to get his parking fees paid !!

Won’t be long before there’s Sharia law.
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post Apr 8 2018, 08:12 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Apr 7 2018, 09:09 PM) *
Is this an EC directive? In my youth we lived opposite a retired Prison Warder who served his lady years in an Open Prison - he used to make the same accusations! That was before we'd even joined the EU!

I voted leave, but one niggle I've had for a long time, had been the attitude of our own civil service. Our disillusion with over burdensome rules and regulations won't actually get better; our record prior to entry demonstrates our very own efforts were similar if not worse!


I tend to agree but, as had been said before, these are our rules, not ones imposed by "johnny foreigner". It is the sole point of government to control the proletariat not "liberalise" them.


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post Apr 8 2018, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE (SirWilliam @ Apr 8 2018, 09:12 AM) *
I tend to agree but, as had been said before, these are our rules, not ones imposed by "johnny foreigner". It is the sole point of government to control the proletariat not "liberalise" them.

Surely it amounts to the same thing. Fairness, consideration for othees. Less need for the stick if we instill these values rather than anger and prejudice?
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post Apr 8 2018, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 8 2018, 06:26 AM) *
Won’t be long before there’s Sharia law.

That's right, still they might crack down on the paedo's then.
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post Apr 8 2018, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 8 2018, 11:08 AM) *
That's right, still they might crack down on the paedo's then.

I believe that Ebola might be in the mix too and disabled Muslim scroungers. And we’re paying!
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post Apr 8 2018, 10:41 AM
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I believe that Ebola might be in the mix too and disabled Muslim scroungers. And we’re paying!

The Dutch are too blame, Flemish lopears carry the disease.
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post Apr 8 2018, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 8 2018, 11:16 AM) *
I believe that Ebola might be in the mix too and disabled Muslim scroungers. And we’re paying!

Someone been smoking that bad weed again? The Telford brand?
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post Apr 8 2018, 11:14 AM
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Someone been smoking that bad weed again? The Telford brand?

Harvest Green.
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post Apr 8 2018, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 8 2018, 11:08 AM) *
That's right, still they might crack down on the paedo's then.


Oh the irony. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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