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Andy Capp
post Apr 4 2018, 07:17 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 4 2018, 06:29 AM) *
This is the first time we’ve been told the truth. And it’s not front page news this time. Once again Jeremy Corbyn was right despite all of the abuse he and anyone who supported his position received. There is no smoking gun. The evidence is just circumstantial.

The evidence we know of is circumstantial.
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post Apr 4 2018, 07:23 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 4 2018, 08:17 AM) *
The evidence we know of is circumstantial.

Quite. Though if Newres works for the security forces perhaps he is in the know. Perhaps the trail of evidence points to the Avon lady and a bad batch of Chanel No 5?😂
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post Apr 4 2018, 08:01 AM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 4 2018, 08:23 AM) *
Quite. Though if Newres works for the security forces perhaps he is in the know. Perhaps the trail of evidence points to the Avon lady and a bad batch of Chanel No 5?😂

It won’t matter now; him and Biker1 have eloped! Looking for something a little more highbrow and sympathetic to their views it seems.
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post Apr 4 2018, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 4 2018, 09:01 AM) *
It won’t matter now; him and Biker1 have eloped! Looking for something a little more highbrow and sympathetic to their views it seems.

Highbrow, yes. Sympathetic to my views, no.
All up for reasoned, adult debate.
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post Apr 4 2018, 09:41 AM
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If someone can prove its not Russia. Saying there's no proof positive is not the same. All indications point towards Putin.
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Andy Capp
post Apr 4 2018, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Apr 4 2018, 10:41 AM) *
If someone can prove its not Russia. Saying there's no proof positive is not the same. All indications point towards Putin.

It is not easy to prove a negative; but I agree with the sentiment that it wouldn’t surprise me if the Russian state were found to be involved.

I don’t; however, think Russia are unique; the Dr Kelly death looks very suss.
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post Apr 4 2018, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 4 2018, 12:31 PM) *
It is not easy to prove a negative; but I agree with the sentiment that it wouldn’t surprise me if the Russian state were found to be involved.

I don’t; however, think Russia are unique; the Dr Kelly death looks very suss.

Hey! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
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post Apr 4 2018, 05:45 PM
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I see the Foreign Office have deleted a tweet blaming Russia. This has the whiff of foul play to me by the government in that they appear to have exaggerated the evidence against Russia. Coincidentally this all blew up at the time of the Brexit agreement and totally taking it off the front page. Heads should roll. The first one should be the buffoon Boris Johnson.
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post Apr 4 2018, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 4 2018, 06:45 PM) *
I see the Foreign Office have deleted a tweet blaming Russia. This has the whiff of foul play to me by the government in that they appear to have exaggerated the evidence against Russia. Coincidentally this all blew up at the time of the Brexit agreement and totally taking it off the front page. Heads should roll. The first one should be the buffoon Boris Johnson.


I'm of the opinion that the security forces know who dunnit and have shown the evidence to our EU partners. It may well be an on going security operation that prevents the full evidence being given to Jo Public. That may well explain the Boris outrage. Hes not known for keeping secrets well without a level of venting....
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post Apr 4 2018, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 4 2018, 07:36 PM) *
I'm of the opinion that the security forces know who dunnit and have shown the evidence to our EU partners. It may well be an on going security operation that prevents the full evidence being given to Jo Public. That may well explain the Boris outrage. Hes not known for keeping secrets well without a level of venting....

And if it wasn’t for the dodgy dossier I might have believed that. Our leaders cannot be trusted.
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post Apr 4 2018, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 4 2018, 08:23 PM) *
And if it wasn’t for the dodgy dossier I might have believed that. Our leaders cannot be trusted.

Nor can the big bad bear.
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post Apr 4 2018, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Apr 4 2018, 08:46 PM) *
Nor can the big bad bear.

True, but it doesn’t mean that the government sanctioned the attack. And let’s be honest it was clearly botched. The point is that the government portrayed to us that the Russians were behind it when they had nothing but circumstantial evidence. We’ve now got the Foreign Office deleting tweets. JC was correct in his response. Again.
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post Apr 4 2018, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 4 2018, 09:16 PM) *
True, but it doesn’t mean that the government sanctioned the attack. And let’s be honest it was clearly botched. The point is that the government portrayed to us that the Russians were behind it when they had nothing but circumstantial evidence. We’ve now got the Foreign Office deleting tweets. JC was correct in his response. Again.

I am not sure it was clearly botched.

Our government from the outset used language that stopped short of saying it definitely was. I know BoJo sad what he said, but whose to say he is lying; the PB bloke might have said as much at the time, or BoJo may have misunderstood; that is feasible. The deleting of tweets is tantamount to the same thing.

I think Corbyn was right to urge caution; however, I think Russia has done enough already to earn the sanctions they have now; perhaps had the West been more robust with its response to the Litvinenko murder, things may have been different now. Mind you, the Litvinenko evidence was circumstantial too.

I think it is too early to say that Corbyn has been proved right and to coin a phrase “nothing has changed”.
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post Apr 4 2018, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Apr 4 2018, 09:16 PM) *
True, but it doesn’t mean that the government sanctioned the attack. And let’s be honest it was clearly botched. The point is that the government portrayed to us that the Russians were behind it when they had nothing but circumstantial evidence. We’ve now got the Foreign Office deleting tweets. JC was correct in his response. Again.

I think JC has a superfan... I think he is a danger to society. The truth will out. Hopefully.....
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post Apr 4 2018, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE (TallDarkAndHandsome @ Apr 4 2018, 10:16 PM) *
I think JC has a superfan... I think he is a danger to society. The truth will out. Hopefully.....

Fan Boy or Soy Boy? Yeah, truth always outs eventually. He's damaged goods now, slippery slope for him.


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post Apr 5 2018, 04:27 AM
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QUOTE (Turin Machine @ Apr 5 2018, 12:58 AM) *
Fan Boy or Soy Boy? Yeah, truth always outs eventually. He's damaged goods now, slippery slope for him.

Well you are correct. And on such issues in the past, Corbyn has been proved correct.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...on-libya-labour

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