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post Aug 5 2010, 11:31 AM
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Anybody in Bartholomew or Northbrook Street between 3 and 4 pm yesterday afternoon?

I was in town with my son and he was a bit frightened by what appeared to be rival gangs threatening and yelling abuse at each other this was between about 3.30and 3.45 and involved these people running at each other then confronting up close, repeatedly between St Nick's church and Iceland. A man was on his phone giving a running commentary to, I assumed, The Police, but nobody showed up, so maybe I was mistaken. a lot of people came out of shops to watch and someone I know told me it had been going on for at least half an hour before we witnessed it.

Later my wife, who was in Northbrook Street with our baby said similar things went on in an area there at around 4 and some girls were now also getting involved and also racially abusing a young woman of Asian complexion who was just passing by minding her own business.

I'd say the males I saw involved were mainly aged between 15 and 25, except one who was certainly the loudest and most provocative who, as well as looking completely wasted, appeared to more like 30.

If you did witness any of this, firstly, did the Police ever show up? and secondly, does anyone know what it was about or how it ended?
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post Aug 5 2010, 12:04 PM
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The Police were probably cowering round the CCTV waiting for it to die down. tongue.gif
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post Aug 5 2010, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE (Bill1 @ Aug 5 2010, 12:31 PM) *
Anybody in Bartholomew or Northbrook Street between 3 and 4 pm yesterday afternoon?

I was in town with my son and he was a bit frightened by what appeared to be rival gangs threatening and yelling abuse at each other this was between about 3.30and 3.45 and involved these people running at each other then confronting up close, repeatedly between St Nick's church and Iceland. A man was on his phone giving a running commentary to, I assumed, The Police, but nobody showed up, so maybe I was mistaken. a lot of people came out of shops to watch and someone I know told me it had been going on for at least half an hour before we witnessed it.

Later my wife, who was in Northbrook Street with our baby said similar things went on in an area there at around 4 and some girls were now also getting involved and also racially abusing a young woman of Asian complexion who was just passing by minding her own business.

I'd say the males I saw involved were mainly aged between 15 and 25, except one who was certainly the loudest and most provocative who, as well as looking completely wasted, appeared to more like 30.

If you did witness any of this, firstly, did the Police ever show up? and secondly, does anyone know what it was about or how it ended?

Surely one the retailers and normal public of Bartholomew street would have reported this fracas to the police or have we all become to accept this behaviour now.
If the police were called and did not respond, I wonder what the reason was?
Seems a great example of police reponse that I often complain about.


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post Aug 5 2010, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE (Bloggo @ Aug 5 2010, 01:59 PM) *
Surely one the retailers and normal public of Bartholomew street would have reported this fracas to the police or have we all become to accept this behaviour now.
If the police were called and did not respond, I wonder what the reason was?
Seems a great example of police reponse that I often complain about.


I am sorry to say that Newbury is just getting worse and worse. I don't know the answer and I am guessing neither do the authorities. I returned from a short holiday last week and the first sights we were greeted with as we drove in to town was the usual bunch of drinkers loitering outside Peggys in Bartholomew St, shouting up at the window above (I think a group of them live up there) and then chav after chav along Bartholomew St and then Craven Rd, I turned to Mrs Gumbo and said 'Ah it's good to be home!". It is sooooooooo noticeable and really is a giant **** stain on our town.

Maybe the Newbury Weekely News should start a campaign 'Save Newbury!
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post Aug 5 2010, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE (Gumbo @ Aug 5 2010, 02:58 PM) *
I am sorry to say that Newbury is just getting worse and worse. I don't know the answer and I am guessing neither do the authorities. I returned from a short holiday last week and the first sights we were greeted with as we drove in to town was the usual bunch of drinkers loitering outside Peggys in Bartholomew St, shouting up at the window above (I think a group of them live up there) and then chav after chav along Bartholomew St and then Craven Rd, I turned to Mrs Gumbo and said 'Ah it's good to be home!". It is sooooooooo noticeable and really is a giant **** stain on our town.

Maybe the Newbury Weekely News should start a campaign 'Save Newbury!

Yep, a really attractive welcome to visitors to the town who come to enjoy the casual and sophisticated shopping experience offered by Newbury.


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post Aug 5 2010, 02:52 PM
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The description reminds me of Bracknell (in the 70s).
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post Aug 5 2010, 03:27 PM
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Does Newbury get visitors then, not sure what they would be coming for - shopping? sight seeing laugh.gif? quality dining? entertainment?

Guess we have to be grateful that it's only the poor soles that live in Newbury that have to put up with it and the word won't spread.
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post Aug 5 2010, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 5 2010, 03:52 PM) *
The description reminds me of Bracknell (in the 70s).




Ah yes, Great Hollands, I had a flat overlooking the William Twigg. The good ol' days laugh.gif


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post Aug 5 2010, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE (x2lls @ Aug 5 2010, 04:32 PM) *
Ah yes, Great Hollands, I had a flat overlooking the William Twigg. The good ol' days laugh.gif


Yes, these young fogeys have got it made nowadays. No online forums in the 1970s for moaning and whingeing, you needed to write a letter to a newspaper or your MP to complain back then and, in all probability, doing it in your own time and not wasting your employers laugh.gif
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post Aug 5 2010, 06:53 PM
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All very interesting I'm sure, but does anybody know what happened?

Also I did say I wasn't sure if the Police were contacted, however the length of time it went on, I'm surprised none saw it whilst on patrol.
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post Aug 5 2010, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE (DrPepper @ Aug 5 2010, 04:27 PM) *
Does Newbury get visitors then, not sure what they would be coming for - shopping? sight seeing laugh.gif? quality dining? entertainment?

Guess we have to be grateful that it's only the poor soles that live in Newbury that have to put up with it and the word won't spread.


Fair amount of business visitors. Bad reputations spread like wildfire. I was in Essex a few months back - talking to a business contact. We met up later that evening ror dinner and his wife came to the hotel to pick him up. Chatting, she asked where I came from. When I told her, she said 'Isn't that near Thatcham - the firm I work for has a depot there, poor you awful isn't it'


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post Aug 6 2010, 07:49 AM
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QUOTE (On the edge @ Aug 5 2010, 08:00 PM) *
Fair amount of business visitors. Bad reputations spread like wildfire. I was in Essex a few months back - talking to a business contact. We met up later that evening ror dinner and his wife came to the hotel to pick him up. Chatting, she asked where I came from. When I told her, she said 'Isn't that near Thatcham - the firm I work for has a depot there, poor you awful isn't it'


Agree, business people will have to come to Newbury and will spread the word. In a previous live I spent a awful amount of time travelling the country and have visited every town with a population of 5,000 or more (the criteria for Royal Mail to have a delivery office there - or at least it was a few years back, may have changed now), as such I have seen very many worse towns than Newbury, many as bad, but also a fast amount more that are so much nicer.

Anybody who has been to Gateshead will know how Northbrook Street will look in a few years when Parkway eventually opens, it's already halfway there.

Why are they building more shops when the Kennet Centre has never been full (bar it's first few years) and Northbrook Street has pretty much always had vacancies?

What I'm getting at is derelict/uncared for towns will attract the type a certain type of person.....
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post Aug 6 2010, 07:55 AM
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Dear Colleagues and citizens of Newbury and West Berkshire,

The incident as reported, everyone seems to accept is intolerable. I would commend all those who witnessed this incident, or have any information, to contact the Thames Valley Police themselves on 0845 850 5505.

I am sure that the local police commanders, Supt. Robin Rickard, Chief Inspector Judith Johnson or any other members of their staff will be only too pleased to follow up any leads.

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post Aug 6 2010, 09:17 AM
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What is remarkable, is how an incident could carry on for so long without any reaction from the authorities. Someone must have reported it; is the area not covered by CCTV?
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post Aug 6 2010, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 6 2010, 10:17 AM) *
What is remarkable, is how an incident could carry on for so long without any reaction from the authorities. Someone must have reported it; is the area not covered by CCTV?

I think the worrying thing about this is that it would appear that this lack of response is no longer remarkable or isolated.


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post Aug 6 2010, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Aug 6 2010, 10:17 AM) *
What is remarkable, is how an incident could carry on for so long without any reaction from the authorities. Someone must have reported it; is the area not covered by CCTV?


So how long did it go on for then? And did the police attend or not? And what actually did happen?

Nobody on here yet has actually answered these yet!

Again, an awful lot of supposition but no fact!


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post Aug 6 2010, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE (Roost @ Aug 6 2010, 11:12 AM) *
So how long did it go on for then? And did the police attend or not? And what actually did happen?
Nobody on here yet has actually answered these yet!

Read Bill1's original post which states the time of the incident and duration prior to him witnessing it. Seems pretty clear to me.
You're right nobody has answered whether or not the police turned up. That's what we all want to know.
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Again, an awful lot of supposition but no fact!

What supposition?


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post Aug 6 2010, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE (Roost @ Aug 6 2010, 11:12 AM) *
So how long did it go on for then? And did the police attend or not? And what actually did happen?

Nobody on here yet has actually answered these yet!

Again, an awful lot of supposition but no fact!

Please read the original post again, but here's a fact for you: between 3.30pm and 3.45pm, no police showed up.

Allegedly, a lot of people came out of shops to watch an affray taking place, and someone who knew Bill1 told him it had been going on for at least half an hour before Bill1 witnessed it.

Is that enough 'fact'?
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post Aug 6 2010, 11:52 AM
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Don't have a go at Roost people, he/she is only pointing out that nobody has been able to clarify one way or the other whether the Police were informed.

As for whether there is CCTV coverage in the main shopping streets of Newbury, I'd be most surprised if there wasn't.
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post Aug 6 2010, 11:57 AM
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If we don't know, we don't know, but roost presumably didn't read the your post properly. Roost wanted to know more than what you state. Roost did seem to have a pop at us in the post though.

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So how long did it go on for then? And did the police attend or not? And what actually did happen? Nobody on here yet has actually answered these yet! Again, an awful lot of supposition but no fact!

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