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Andy Capp
post Jan 20 2017, 12:49 AM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jan 20 2017, 12:16 AM) *
They've also economised by decided not to fit it out as a cafe and not to do anything of the interpretation so it won't even function as a cafe or museum!

Yes. So far this tower will simply be a glorified clean-up exercise for one to stand outside and gawp at (whilst wondering where all the money went).
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post Jan 20 2017, 02:16 AM
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My fail meter just got turned up to eleven!
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post Jan 20 2017, 07:16 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Jan 20 2017, 02:16 AM) *
My fail meter just got turned up to eleven!


The hand of Swift Half has struck again then? rolleyes.gif


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post Jan 22 2017, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Jan 20 2017, 07:16 AM) *
The hand of Swift Half has struck again then? rolleyes.gif

Talking of which - why does the statue have such enormous hands? All that grasping I suppose.


This is the portrait from 1550 of John Winchcombe alias "Jack of Newbury", pointing disappointedly at his nether regions - his family name was originally Smallwood and I guess I understand why. That's certainly going to be a glum countenance frowning down on us plebs as we shuffle past his 9' high statue. I can see the statue is wearing the same hat and fur-trimmed coat as in the portrait, but it looks like the sculptor has modelled it on someone quite different - a local councillor perchance?


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post Jan 22 2017, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Jan 22 2017, 01:50 PM) *
Talking of which - why does the statue have such enormous hands? All that grasping I suppose.


This is the portrait from 1550 of John Winchcombe alias "Jack of Newbury", pointing disappointedly at his nether regions - his family name was originally Smallwood and I guess I understand why. That's certainly going to be a glum countenance frowning down on us plebs as we shuffle past his 9' high statue. I can see the statue is wearing the same hat and fur-trimmed coat as in the portrait, but it looks like the sculptor has modelled it on someone quite different - a local councillor perchance?



I hope the sculptor remembers to model him with the middle finger pointing up? It will symbolise the attitude that our local Councillors have towards the plebs who they treat with such disdain! rolleyes.gif


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post Jan 22 2017, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Jan 22 2017, 03:14 PM) *
I hope the sculptor remembers to model him with the middle finger pointing up? It will symbolise the attitude that our local Councillors have towards the plebs who they treat with such disdain! rolleyes.gif

Quite.


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post Jan 22 2017, 04:34 PM
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In less strained financial times, the statue would be more than appropriate for Newbury Town Council. It represents someone who simply stood by whilst a monstrous injustice was committed.


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post Jan 23 2017, 08:38 AM
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QUOTE (JeffG @ Jan 8 2017, 04:23 PM) *
Thanks for that. I don't do hard copy news these days.


I thought Greenham was places like Pigeon's Farm and The Nightingales.

The Nightingales is in Newbury.
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post Jan 23 2017, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Jan 23 2017, 08:38 AM) *
The Nightingales is in Newbury.


Not a lot of people know that.

And so the confusion that Oxfordshire are seeking to address by installing Unitary Authorities is alive and well in West Berkshire which is served by a Unitary Authority! All makes perfect sense says Alice.


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post Feb 10 2017, 08:55 PM
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Apologies for coming to this late in the day, but why does the cost of repairing the financial damage fall to residents and not the Councillors?
The report by BDO, and comments made by the ex-Clerk, suggest strongly the debt is the result of 'inappropriate' spends throughout, that the Members were told were wrong....
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post Feb 10 2017, 11:12 PM
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QUOTE (NWNREADER @ Feb 10 2017, 08:55 PM) *
Apologies for coming to this late in the day, but why does the cost of repairing the financial damage fall to residents and not the Councillors?
The report by BDO, and comments made by the ex-Clerk, suggest strongly the debt is the result of 'inappropriate' spends throughout, that the Members were told were wrong....

As I understand it councillors can be sued in a personal capacity for the tort of misfeasance in public office if they cause someone loss by acting maliciously or in bad faith, and I guess a council itself could sue its councillors if it was the council that had suffered the loss. There's no suggestion that anyone at GPC has acted maliciously or in bad faith.


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post Feb 17 2017, 09:13 AM
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I'd say borrowing money which is not spent on the things it was borrowed for and in a manner that was advised as illegal or against policy is 'in bad faith'; albeit not grounds for persecution.

However, don't blame the pillocks in the council, blame the idiots of Greenham who voted them in and no-doubt will continue to do so.
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post Feb 17 2017, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 17 2017, 09:13 AM) *
I'd say borrowing money which is not spent on the things it was borrowed for and in a manner that was advised as illegal or against policy is 'in bad faith'; albeit not grounds for persecution.

However, don't blame the pillocks in the council, blame the idiots of Greenham who voted them in and no-doubt will continue to do so.

Bad faith implies some kind of dishonesty and ulterior motive and there's no suggestion of that. The management of the project was amateurish and bungled, but I don't see anyone suggesting it was anything but well-intentioned amateurish bungling. Like you say though, it's not like Greenham parishioners are up in arms so fair enough.


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post Feb 17 2017, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 17 2017, 02:14 PM) *
Bad faith implies some kind of dishonesty and ulterior motive and there's no suggestion of that. The management of the project was amateurish and bungled, but I don't see anyone suggesting it was anything but well-intentioned amateurish bungling. Like you say though, it's not like Greenham parishioners are up in arms so fair enough.


Well it may be because Greenham precept payers have learned, the same as Newbury precept payers, even if you do stick your head above the parapet nothing changes? As well as putting up with the consequences for doing so! The same little club that operates the running of Newbury and the surrounding area only shuffle members around slightly and continue as normal! After all Swift Half is now back meddling with Greenham again as well as, some say, causing havoc with Newbury! cool.gif


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post Feb 17 2017, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE (Cognosco @ Feb 17 2017, 03:27 PM) *
Well it may be because Greenham precept payers have learned, the same as Newbury precept payers, even if you do stick your head above the parapet nothing changes? As well as putting up with the consequences for doing so! The same little club that operates the running of Newbury and the surrounding area only shuffle members around slightly and continue as normal! After all Swift Half is now back meddling with Greenham again as well as, some say, causing havoc with Newbury! cool.gif


Yes, local government is bust; the electorate clearly know, hence the minimal turn out at elections.


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post Feb 25 2017, 11:11 AM
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I'm quite pleased I don't reside in the Greenham parish, it was a nice idea, but it was obvious from the beginning that it would end in tears. The leadership was faulty, the idea that a café would cover the running costs was faulty, the way the money was used was faulty and outside influences, **** bent on disrupting the project (BBOWT) along with planning screw-ups (WBC) were perhaps the last straw. We mustn't also forget that somewhere along the line a survey and engineering cost analysis might have been carried out or was this overlooked. Something that is standard when buying any property.

If I was the responsible councillor, I might want to fade into the background but it seems that the personal, Trump like belief in his popularity, knows no bounds. What I find disturbing is that being voted off the tower committee, he is now able to poke his nose in and also get a vote on any further decisions by the working party. This because he is now leader of the parish council. Have these parish councillors got their heads up their respective backsides when only one councillor it seems, has the sense to get out before more problems erupt.

Just as a matter of interest, if nobody voted for any parish councillors when the next election takes place, would that mean that the parish council would have to be disbanded. That way, the debt racked up by the council would go where I wonder. Perhaps that would be the path the residents could take if it relieves them of what will be hiked up Greenham precept. A carefully worded letter to every resident asking them not to vote.
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post Feb 25 2017, 05:37 PM
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Its just a superb example of Liberal Democracy in action - we decide what you want.


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post Feb 25 2017, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE (Exhausted @ Feb 25 2017, 11:11 AM) *
Just as a matter of interest, if nobody voted for any parish councillors when the next election takes place, would that mean that the parish council would have to be disbanded. That way, the debt racked up by the council would go where I wonder. Perhaps that would be the path the residents could take if it relieves them of what will be hiked up Greenham precept. A carefully worded letter to every resident asking them not to vote.


You'd never get no one to vote. And didn't they announce that the precept wasn't going up.
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post Feb 25 2017, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 25 2017, 10:03 PM) *
You'd never get no one to vote. And didn't they announce that the precept wasn't going up.


Well I thought the former was optimistic but as far as increasing the precept, that will have to bite later if not sooner. There could be a lot of cash having to be repaid.




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Well I thought the former was optimistic but as far as increasing the precept, that will have to bite later if not sooner. There could be a lot of cash having to be repaid.

If they wait for a few years there will be 3,000+ more homes paying the precept - a big increase in income without raising the precept.
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