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post Feb 20 2016, 03:56 PM
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post Feb 20 2016, 06:58 PM
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Andy Capp
post Feb 20 2016, 07:29 PM
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I will vote 'Out', but I suspect the country will vote 'In'
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post Feb 20 2016, 07:38 PM
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I'm out. Not because of immigration. I just like to think of us as an independent nation who can make laws
that are not overruled.

The problem with being in the "out" camp is that you are instantly branded as racist by small minded people.

Now we'll get 3 months of "***" from both camps scaremongering... angry.gif

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post Feb 20 2016, 09:23 PM
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post Feb 20 2016, 09:24 PM
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Out. The negotiations didn't address the real issue so didn't deliver a real solution.


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post Feb 20 2016, 11:08 PM
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Out foul spot. Out, sooner the better. Put the money we give in subsidies towards schools and hospitals.


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post Feb 20 2016, 11:43 PM
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The biggest 'Out' problem I see is the possibility of being bullied in trade wars.
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post Feb 21 2016, 05:08 AM
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In.

I saw a "status" being shared on Facebook blaming the EU for the not being able to sort out the "Syria/Libya migrant" problem, talking about more trade with the U.S. and completely failing to see the irony of the the EU being left to clean up the mess that was caused by the US with the help of the UK.

I dislike nationalisn.

I like the balance and stability we get from having so many states of all political persuasions having an input into how are laws are interpreted/framed.

And I like the fact that Europe (the EU bit) has been at peace since its inception.
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post Feb 21 2016, 06:17 AM
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post Feb 21 2016, 06:55 AM
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QUOTE (je suis Charlie @ Feb 20 2016, 11:08 PM) *
Out foul spot...

Curious that you should (mis)quote the febrile gibberings of a delusional despot to support your desire for the UK to leave the UK.


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post Feb 21 2016, 07:58 AM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 20 2016, 11:43 PM) *
The biggest 'Out' problem I see is the possibility of being bullied in trade wars.


Actually, that pretty much sums it up for me, ironically the other way. I'd argue our commerce has been damaged since we joined, more by the subtle actions of the senior EU member states. For me, out might, just might, mean that our bankers are effectively forced to invest far more in our own industries.

Whatever the vote, I don't think day 2 will be 'carry on as normal' - even for a yes, so I'd like to see a realistic strategy from both sides outlining where they think we'd be going next.

Anyway, it's a pretty interesting point AndyC!


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post Feb 21 2016, 08:02 AM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 21 2016, 05:08 AM) *
In.

I saw a "status" being shared on Facebook blaming the EU for the not being able to sort out the "Syria/Libya migrant" problem, talking about more trade with the U.S. and completely failing to see the irony of the the EU being left to clean up the mess that was caused by the US with the help of the UK.

I dislike nationalisn.

I like the balance and stability we get from having so many states of all political persuasions having an input into how are laws are interpreted/framed.

And I like the fact that Europe (the EU bit) has been at peace since its inception.


All perfectly valid - this logically leads to closer integration, which David Cameron has been keen to rule out. Nonetheless that might not have been such a wise move as he imagined. Whatever anyone says, its worked for the US.


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post Feb 21 2016, 10:29 AM
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post Feb 21 2016, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE (newres @ Feb 21 2016, 05:08 AM) *
In.

I saw a "status" being shared on Facebook blaming the EU for the not being able to sort out the "Syria/Libya migrant" problem, talking about more trade with the U.S. and completely failing to see the irony of the the EU being left to clean up the mess that was caused by the US with the help of the UK.

I dislike nationalisn.

I like the balance and stability we get from having so many states of all political persuasions having an input into how are laws are interpreted/framed.

And I like the fact that Europe (the EU bit) has been at peace since its inception.


In - for the above reasons and because I am scared what will happen with a Tory government unfettered by the reasonableness of many EU constraints. When it comes down to it I trust EU bureaucrats more than UK politicians.
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post Feb 21 2016, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE (Simon Kirby @ Feb 21 2016, 06:55 AM) *
Curious that you should (mis)quote the febrile gibberings of a delusional despot to support your desire for the UK to leave the UK.

While you, apparently spout your own! laugh.gif


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post Feb 21 2016, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 21 2016, 12:51 PM) *
In - for the above reasons and because I am scared what will happen with a Tory government unfettered by the reasonableness of many EU constraints. When it comes down to it I trust EU bureaucrats more than UK politicians.


Interesting that; it was a Tory Government that took us in. I'd certainly not disagree with your observations about the EU bureaucrats; the trouble is, much of what they come up with is deflected or subverted by the nation states who (like us) are concerned only with their own parochial national interest.


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post Feb 21 2016, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE (blackdog @ Feb 21 2016, 12:51 PM) *
In - for the above reasons and because I am scared what will happen with a Tory government unfettered by the reasonableness of many EU constraints. When it comes down to it I trust EU bureaucrats more than UK politicians.

At least we get the opportunity to change a Tory government every few years.
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post Feb 21 2016, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE (Andy Capp @ Feb 21 2016, 03:06 PM) *
At least we get the opportunity to change a Tory government every few years.

How much of an opportunity? The boundary changes will ensure they are in power for another 20 years unless a miracle happens.

And what's the alternative? Give me EU bureaucrats over any politicians (any party, any country).

I would also be happy to join a United States of Europe - my only objection to the Euro is the absurdity of one currency, multiple economies.

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post Feb 21 2016, 04:14 PM
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It's out for me.

I don't like the way European decisions are made by unelected bureaucrats and European courts overides Uk courts.
I also believe with the migrant crisis that the EU is going pear shape anyhow? unsure.gif


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